The Girl Scout murders revisited

Its so interesting how people who don't even live close to these crimes think they now so much about them....I live on Iron post road... was raised there my whole life and this isn't the only thing that happens in this town...there was also the murder of my teachers parents last year on christmas....same road.....also a man hired a gunman to kill his wife in their house...on this road...and guess what..only the man who hired the gunman was caught and only because the hired gun confessed....seriously if people do not come out and testify no one would ever get caught for anything.... there are so many things that you people have no idea about that goes on around here ....as the saying goes "you can't speed but you can get away with murder in Mayes Co"

Excuse me but this is the girl scout murder blog it was set up to talk about the GSM dah! If you would like to start one about these other murders i'm sure you could and i'm sure these folks would be glad to add what they know or heard about them.

i was a high school senior in s. e. ok at the time. i have the book and the documentary on vhs.
there is no need to look for other suspects, gene
leroy hart did it and he did it alone. there is
no doubt.

gomertoo wrote:

i was a high school senior in s. e. ok at the time. i have the book and the documentary on vhs.
there is no need to look for other suspects, gene
leroy hart did it and he did it alone. there is
no doubt.

I agree, i haven't read the book would like to someday,but i have seen the documentary. I don't know anyone involved in the case but M Wilkerson when he was a cop in ss ark before the murders. I didn't fallow the case back in 77 but when i watched the documentary i said if everything i've seen here is the truth which i think it is, he did it. I felt sorry for the mother when she said (when we walked into the court room we knew we were the enemey). What a terrible why to be preceived when your a victim also.

Kimberly did the face you saw in the dark framed glasses look caucasion or native american? to the woman who said her child molesting uncle lived near the gate, did he wear dark framed glasses? Was he ever questioned by the police?

Hi, new here to this forum. I live in Mass (have for most of my life) and remember this awful story being covered in the Boston Globe at the time. I was 12 years old back then and was one of those weird, intense kids who actually read the newspaper and worried about everything. I was a Girl Scout and for many years spent summers at Camp Menotomy up in NH. The camp sites and tents are the same as those at Camp Scott and as I was preparing to leave soon after this incident, all I could dwell on was - yep, you guessed it. I had nightmares and never told anyone.

I went anyway and figured anyone stupid enough to grab me would have one heck of a fight on his hands! I hope the families get some sort of resolution.

i dont know if you get on this site anymore but i was wondering if you ever got your story out? im from that area and been reading all about this. if you read this pleaz email me at hick_town_girl1991@yahoo.com yes i know all this way before my time but if you have not got your story out i would like to help get it out there.

Darren wrote:

I have called the OSBI, and nobody will listen. I was a boy scout in troup 17 at Camp Garland when those murders occured. We had the first camp site at Camp Garland and only 1/4 mile from Camp Scott. Those girls that were murdered were in the first camp site closest to camp Garland. The first night of camp we had three boys that bragged to the entire troup that they were going to go to Camp Scott that night to get some girls. They indead went, and in the middle of the night returned and woke up allot of us arguing. One boy was crying and saying he didn't want to get into trouble, the other two boys were angry and telling him to keep his mouth shut and they won't get in any trouble. The next morning the police arrived and took all the boys 14 years old and older into the camp site building for questioning. I was only 12. Myself and about 10 other boys told our scout master about the three boys and what they said and did, but he told us to shut up and let the police do thier job.
The Mays county detectives and OSBI found a "drunk Indian" to blame this on and they don't want to be embarressed. I've even called KRMG, and emailed channel 8 and nobody wants to look into this. I gaurantee, if someone adertised to have members of boy scout troup 17 come forward, you would get over a dozen that would remember those three boys and what they did.
Those three girls and thier families deserve justice!! I ended up going to High School with two of those boys and they were some of the roughest kids at Rogers High School, class of 83. I remember thier names.

mcaruth wrote:

Camp Scott was our family camp. It was owned by my Great Uncle Scott and Aunt Florence originally. We had some great times and lots of memories there when we were little. When he sold it to the Girl Scouts of America he was so proud to have it go to such a great organization and knew that lots more memories would be made there. When the murders occured Uncle Scotty was horrified that something like that could happen at a place that was so dear to all of us.I have not been by there in a long long time. My mother said that it was sold to the GRDA and that they flooded the place. I don't know too much more about it. It saddens me to think that someone responsible is still out there. Hope it is resolved soon.

it was not sold to the GRDA, and there is no way to have flooded it. it sets high on the side of a hill, a long way from any body of water. I have pulled down there and into the camp twice, and I can tell you, the owner, whoever he is, doesn't want you down there. he told me in no uncertain terms to get my ass out of there. I wouldn't be surprised if they might be growing some weed on the premises? It does really have an spooky feeling being there. the pool is there, although empty, and some of the pavillions are still standing.

If any of the brain trusts posting comments would get the book "Somebody Cry For The Children" and read it, they would see the all the evidence they had against Hart. It was as bad as the evidence against O.J. Simpson. The book was written by the OSBI Agent who investigated the Murders. The trouble with the whole case was that the Mayes County Sheriff at the time started talking about a book deal immediately. Items that belonged to some of the girls were found with Hart at the time of his arrest. Read The Book!!

Let The Truth Prevail wrote:

I feel the cases should be re-opened. My grandfather, Roy Martin and grandmother, Mary Martin lived near the gate entrance of the Girl Scout camp. Their son, Terry, who is my dad's brother lived in the home at this time. Terry was molesting his many nieces plus other victims (total of known 8 so far that has spoken up) and I am a survivor. I remember during this time of the murders, the news media was camping out in my grandparent's yard. My relatives were wondering where Terry was during this time. He was known to always run off. Terry was molesting the children (ages 4-13) in the family. The family was told of this news not until 1984 and the years to follow the victims came forward. Terry was violent in his acts unto us. I have wondered could he be a part of this horrible crime? Now Terry resides in his home by the gates of the once entrance of the Girl Scout murders. He knew the woods well. He was molesting children during those years. He was on drugs and the conditions were right for a child molestor. Since the statue of limitations have passed, he lives freely. Should the Girl Scout murders be re-opened. Yes. It would bring answers to the many questions.

does Terry live in a yellow house?

res wrote:

Excuse me but this is the girl scout murder blog it was set up to talk about the GSM dah! If you would like to start one about these other murders i'm sure you could and i'm sure these folks would be glad to add what they know or heard about them.

The evidence against Hart was over whelming, but it took a long time before he was captured, and the case kind of cooled in the meantime. And when they did find him, here was this poor looking Indian, with broke glasses, and the old home town football hero. He had been convicted of rape previously, and was an escaped convict. They found personal belonging from the girls when the caught Hart. How much proof do some people need?

personal belongings from the murdered girls or just some items belonging to other girls? just wondering what you are saying.

JAY wrote:

If any of the brain trusts posting comments would get the book "Somebody Cry For The Children" and read it, they would see the all the evidence they had against Hart. It was as bad as the evidence against O.J. Simpson. The book was written by the OSBI Agent who investigated the Murders. The trouble with the whole case was that the Mayes County Sheriff at the time started talking about a book deal immediately. Items that belonged to some of the girls were found with Hart at the time of his arrest. Read The Book!!

I will read this book. I have, as you can see, been spooked by this case for a long time. Real sad.

I pretty much grew up at Camp Scott, as my mom was a Scout leader for my sister's troop. That was the tent I was assigned to, but I was pulled out at the last minute. I blamed myself for years for their deaths, for not being there to defend them. For years, many of us scouts had come up with defense plans, in those tents. I was only 12 at the time - but in reality, I'd have only been a victim myself...raped and murdered, not a hero. I've been suffering insomnia, PTSD over this, and now suffer Fibromyalgia, along with its other illnesses. Over 30 years of therapy, and I still have no peace!
I remember when we used to help the older girls over the short ladder over the fence only a year earlier, to go streaking into the Boy Scout camp, and they'd return the favor...I still have my lucky rock with a hole in it, from the stream, which we'd hike to in the middle of the night to fill out canteens with that water, because it tasted so much better than the well water.
Then the murders happened, and destroyed my childhood in one fell swoop. All I can tell you, is that for me, a part of me has been mentally trapped there, waiting for JUSTICE. I've not camped since then. Camp Scott was my special safe place, a shattered safe place. Over 30 years of seeing therapists and Psychiatrists haven't helped me much. Only now have they figured out, that I need to be lumped into a group, with wartime survivors, like Vietnam Vets, Gulf War Veterans. I only hope I can smile like I used to, 30 years ago, before those girls' innocence was stolen...and many of ours was, along with theirs.

Julie, do not blame yourself, because you would, indeed, most likely have been a victim.
I have finished the book and it does mention a last minute change having left tent 8 short.
I really can't even begin to imagine the hell that everyone involved went through. I would like to see authorities officailly put the investigation to rest so all can gain some peace and resolution.

Thank you, Aurara. I do think Hart was at least an Accessory, if not the main perp, along with Stevens, who "committed suicide with 46 stab wounds" in a Kansas Prison, after he admitted guilt to the Girl Scout Murders.

We need two people, wearing a size 7 men's tennis shoe, and a size 10 men's boot, whose prints were left in the blood on the tent floor. "Sonny" James is short, 5'5" tall, and with a small foot print. The other men are taller, thus with bigger prints. His uncle, Frank James, also a suspect at the time, was one of the FOUR under investigation. I believe ALL of the FOUR need to be considered as a group in doing it, because they were violent felons. "Sonny" is back in prison, while the others are DEAD.

I do feel that Martin could've been one of the additional perps, can't rule him out.

Oftentimes, you'd have 2 - 4 girls run to the latrines at night with flashlights, NEVER alone. Ergo, no one would think much of that many people walking together.

The poor girls' bodies were found on the way to the showers; I can't recall if the latrines were further up the way. Anyone recall?

BTW - From what I recall, you were ALWAYS supposed to have someone older in the tent, so the younger girls felt safe. That was a strong rule. I'd been stuck with being the youngest with older girls for the past few years, and perhaps they'd been harder on me because my mom was a G.S. leader.

And many of us DID wonder, if perhaps some Boy Scouts did perpetrate this crime! Believe you me, even back then, we all thought this was much too sophisticated for one person to have committed.

Why did they try Hart for ALL three murders? If they'd tried him for only one, they'd have kept their options open on the other two.

Like I said, I think he was one of a group. But because this group of MEN spent so much time behind bars, they never could do it again! Kind of like a "Mass Group Mentality". Take apart the group, they can't do it alone.

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People, it only takes someone to step forward! How many of us who grew up in Oklahoma have more than one nationality? I just wish to remind people who've kept quiet, who may have known something - anything, that you are safe, and it's okay to talk. I stepped forward, and spoke of the streaking that took place between the Girl Scout, and Boy Scout camps, although I took an, "On your Honor Oath", sworn to secrecy. I broke that now, because what we did shows HOW bad the security of that section of camp truly was! We even would go out, and fill our canteens up with the creek water, because it tasted better than the well water in the middle of the night. And I was a Girl Scout leader's daughter.
If I can do it - YOU CAN DO IT, too! I'm begging you. For as God is my witness, this life is the only one that you can give closure to everyone, before you die. Then it's in the hands of God, and that doesn't matter what religion you believe in. We are all brothers and sisters, no matter the color of our skin, tribe, nationality. Our blood is our bond.
On my honor as a child of both Cherokee Indian and European, for anyone who remembers anything about that night in Mayes County to come foward, and not be afraid. You will be doing great honor and respect for the girls' families.
And if you took part of these murders, come forward and turn yourself in, to the Mayes County Sheriff's Dept. Respect yourself again. Tell what happened, and perhaps you will finally find the kind of peace and the forgiveness that will let you sleep again.
Just let us know what really happened, even if it started out as a stupid prank that went horribly wrong. You owe it to the girls' parents, to the girls, and to yourself. God can only forgive those who help themselves in this situation.