73-year-old city man facing rape ch.....

If anything justifies the death penalty, it is this offense.

Leonard wrote:

If anything justifies the death penalty, it is this offense.

Boy you got that right, Leonard! Are you aware of how many of them live in the wonderful City of Dunkirk. Go on line and check it out. I was horrified! Actually, it would be better to just hang him in the square and let the public stone him to death. He'll probably get six months probation. Shame the people in the City don't get as worked up over this as they have about the peace pole.

Boris wrote:

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Boy you got that right, Leonard! Are you aware of how many of them live in the wonderful City of Dunkirk. Go on line and check it out. I was horrified! Actually, it would be better to just hang him in the square and let the public stone him to death. He'll probably get six months probation. Shame the people in the City don't get as worked up over this as they have about the peace pole.

Your last sentence says it all Boris!

Die you pig! Kiddy diddlers need HUNG!

OK ... Can we at least find someone guilty before killing them??? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? There HAVE been cases of people being innocent when charged with child molestation. Of course, I'm not sure if this man was ever found guilty in the past of molesting children. If so, he is likely guilty, but he still deserves his day in court. That is a VERY basic American right. We lose that right, and we may as well be living in a 3rd world country.

No name necessary wrote:

OK ... Can we at least find someone guilty before killing them??? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? There HAVE been cases of people being innocent when charged with child molestation. Of course, I'm not sure if this man was ever found guilty in the past of molesting children. If so, he is likely guilty, but he still deserves his day in court. That is a VERY basic American right. We lose that right, and we may as well be living in a 3rd world country.

OK, trial, found guilty, then the chair!!!!!!!!!!Convicted Child molesters do not deserve to live!!

I find that public hanging does seem to get a certain message across. Yet it is too barbaric, and the consequences to the public of a hanging are far worse than the actual punishment. This crime does have to be in a class that should make it hell on earth for the person who committed it. Yet, we need to let the justice system do it's job. No, you will not be satisfied by the process, nor will your sensibilities be meliorated. However, let me argue this. What the legal system can not do, society can do. We as a society can either heal a person or spurn somebody. This individual can be tracked, and can be made to feel very uncomfortable if not worse. However is that what we as a people really want to do? Yes, I feel the primal urge to punish, maim, and do far worse things to this person, yet that will put me on the same level as this person if I give in to those dark thoughts. We, as a society should rise above this and do what we can to make sure this does not happen to the ones we care about. We can do this by making sure we are educated by who has done this before through the NYS sex offenders registry, http://criminaljustice.state.ny.us/nsor/
which is the legal system's nod to society to do what it has to in order to protect themselves. Yet, we as parents and concerned neighbors need to really scrutinize where our children are, and keep track of who is with them and what these people are like. In this era of society, it is hard not to have family or friends look after our young while we struggle to make ends meet. Yet...we should really research who we leave our kids with, and really search down deep on how we FEEL about these people. So, do not say the legal system falls short, it does what it can, it is up to us as a society to do the rest before the incident,if possible, and after. Yet, let me caution you, all reactions to the person after the legal system should be of a passive nature. Any use of the NYS Sex Offender Registry to cause any harm or harassment of the individuals noted within can be charged with crimes. Take care, and be well.

I know about the innocent until proven guilty, but look, this man has not just 1 but 4 felony charges against him. And the way I see it is they must have enough evidence against him to get a grand jury indictment so I think it pretty much speaks for itself. At his age he should have been up in a retirement home already instead of out on the streets molesting underage kids. That nasty bastard ! Him and his wife have been selling ice cups from their home for years and all the neighborhood kids use to go over there so just imagine what could have happened. There are so many females out there that are basically giving sex away but yet he preys on innocent minors. This is just not acceptable. Honestly, if I was the parent of a child that this happened to, I would be the one going to jail because I would kill that S.O.B.!

Fed up with Dunkirk wrote:

I know about the innocent until proven guilty, but look, this man has not just 1 but 4 felony charges against him. And the way I see it is they must have enough evidence against him to get a grand jury indictment so I think it pretty much speaks for itself. At his age he should have been up in a retirement home already instead of out on the streets molesting underage kids. That nasty bastard ! Him and his wife have been selling ice cups from their home for years and all the neighborhood kids use to go over there so just imagine what could have happened. There are so many females out there that are basically giving sex away but yet he preys on innocent minors. This is just not acceptable. Honestly, if I was the parent of a child that this happened to, I would be the one going to jail because I would kill that S.O.B.!

I feel your sentiments. Perhaps he will be in prison for the rest of his life. For his kind, it will be a hell on earth.

No name necessary wrote:

OK ... Can we at least find someone guilty before killing them??? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? There HAVE been cases of people being innocent when charged with child molestation. Of course, I'm not sure if this man was ever found guilty in the past of molesting children. If so, he is likely guilty, but he still deserves his day in court. That is a VERY basic American right. We lose that right, and we may as well be living in a 3rd world country.

the paper said after there investigation he was charged. he must of done something????

If one needs to registar as an offender in NY, then is one required to tell the landlord at any point in time? Many of the offenders living in Dunkirk are renters. Who in their right mind rents to an offender KNOWING there are children in other apartments or next door? A simple check on the state site will tell a landlord who offenders are. I do agree that parents really need to know where there children are and with who---I for one signed up for automatic email alerts for offenders in Dunkirk and Fredonia--but the landlord needs to bare some responsibility for who they opt to rent to as well.

My reference to putting this man to death was referring to AFTER they find him guilty, of course. I didn't think that needed to be specified. As far as the number of offenders in the city, I had lived in another quiter area most of my life, having moved here a few years ago. Comparing my old town, to this town, taking into account the population difference, the number isn't that much higher. I think that, fortunately, more of these idiots are being caught than they were, say, 30 years ago. I don't necessarily believe that its happening more. Also, the media picks this stuff up more. Add to that the legal requirement for them to register, has helped us be more aware of it. My point is made, if found guilty, casterate the bastard.

Oh well, because an investigation was done, then he musta done it. Why even bother with a trial? It amazes me how people see a picture of someone in the paper and just assume that b/c he is charged w/a crime, he MUST be guilty. Not only guilty, but you all are ready to have someone die without having a shred of evidence provided to you other than a paper stating that an investigation was done. Excuse me. This is America. I sure would hate for a mob of people to assume I am guilty of something before being given the evidence and allowed the opportunity to defend myself. None of you would like it done to you either.

Leonard wrote:

My reference to putting this man to death was referring to AFTER they find him guilty, of course. I didn't think that needed to be specified. As far as the number of offenders in the city, I had lived in another quiter area most of my life, having moved here a few years ago. Comparing my old town, to this town, taking into account the population difference, the number isn't that much higher. I think that, fortunately, more of these idiots are being caught than they were, say, 30 years ago. I don't necessarily believe that its happening more. Also, the media picks this stuff up more. Add to that the legal requirement for them to register, has helped us be more aware of it. My point is made, if found guilty, casterate the bastard.

I still think stoning in the square is a better punishment...then again, I have been led to believe that being a child molester doesn't go over well w/ the cons in State Prisons. He will get a dose of his own medicine.

No name necessary wrote:

Oh well, because an investigation was done, then he musta done it. Why even bother with a trial? It amazes me how people see a picture of someone in the paper and just assume that b/c he is charged w/a crime, he MUST be guilty. Not only guilty, but you all are ready to have someone die without having a shred of evidence provided to you other than a paper stating that an investigation was done. Excuse me. This is America. I sure would hate for a mob of people to assume I am guilty of something before being given the evidence and allowed the opportunity to defend myself. None of you would like it done to you either.

Ok so lets pretend that one of your children was the victim, how would you feel then ??? There are certain things in the news that are questionable but with a grand jury indictment against him, there had to be evidence beyond a reasonable doubt for them to issue it. Think about it.

foulball wrote:

If one needs to registar as an offender in NY, then is one required to tell the landlord at any point in time? Many of the offenders living in Dunkirk are renters. Who in their right mind rents to an offender KNOWING there are children in other apartments or next door? A simple check on the state site will tell a landlord who offenders are. I do agree that parents really need to know where there children are and with who---I for one signed up for automatic email alerts for offenders in Dunkirk and Fredonia--but the landlord needs to bare some responsibility for who they opt to rent to as well.

I agree. Yet, that is the major fall of society at large, they would rather make a buck than make a moral decision. Also, I would have to say, in order to make someone care about something, you have to make them care to care, in other words, most people just don't think to ask these questions. If you never knew there was a door in a room, would you then think of opening it? So, to defeat this ignorance, one must educate. Make posters and post them around renting properties. Look in the adds and see who is renting, call the number and ask them if they know about the registry and if they allow kids to be in the same building with offenders. I bet enough people doing this would get some kind of message across. Thus you would bring it to air, and then you would get them to think about thinking about it. Take care, and be well.

Leonard wrote:

My reference to putting this man to death was referring to AFTER they find him guilty, of course. I didn't think that needed to be specified. As far as the number of offenders in the city, I had lived in another quiter area most of my life, having moved here a few years ago. Comparing my old town, to this town, taking into account the population difference, the number isn't that much higher. I think that, fortunately, more of these idiots are being caught than they were, say, 30 years ago. I don't necessarily believe that its happening more. Also, the media picks this stuff up more. Add to that the legal requirement for them to register, has helped us be more aware of it. My point is made, if found guilty, casterate the bastard.

Leonard, I do see your point. However, think of this. While the punishment does fit the crime, can it actually be done? not by the law anyway. There are many cases where a woman will yell rape when she is mad at who ever they are with, just to be vindictive. I have seen women beat themselves up, go to the cops, and even when the guys have a clear alibi supported by witnesses of different parties, they still get convicted. So, if castration were an option, what then would happen if you had a relationship that went sour, and you were wrongfully accused, convicted, yet later found to be innocent a year later? The castration would have already been carried out. She would win, you would lose, even though you were in the right. This case is of course different, as it is dealing with young children, but mad parents could do the same thing, and coach children. This too, has been done before. Unfortunately the proof does not come around until many years later. So, the legal system can not then embrace a brutal physical punishment of this order. It would cause too many problems, and empower too many people who would use it the wrong way. Castration sounds good, yet it sadly can not be. I like where your heart is though. Molesters beware. Take care, and be well.

No name necessary wrote:

OK ... Can we at least find someone guilty before killing them??? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? There HAVE been cases of people being innocent when charged with child molestation. Of course, I'm not sure if this man was ever found guilty in the past of molesting children. If so, he is likely guilty, but he still deserves his day in court. That is a VERY basic American right. We lose that right, and we may as well be living in a 3rd world country.

Yes of course they should have a fair trial..then when they are found guilty neuter them!

hopeful wrote:

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Yes of course they should have a fair trial..then when they are found guilty neuter them!

Tase there balls first

"Ok so lets pretend that one of your children was the victim, how would you feel then ???"

Hey, it was my own kid at one time. And you know what, I let the justice system what it's intended to do: find someone guilty if they are and also find them innocent if that's the truth. I tend to be a very rational person ... I base my opinion on something after being presented with ALL the facts. We don't live in the 1500's anymore folks. We are supposed to presume innocence until PROVEN otherwise. There have been hundreds of people actually found guilty of a crime and sentenced to death row. Guess what? 20 or 30 yrs later, DNA exhonerated them. They were innocent. So, yeah, innocent people not only get charged w/crimes but go to jail for crimes they didn't commit.