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thank you for shoving YOUR version of Christianity forcefully down our throats.... history repeating itself. thank you sooo much
Nobody shoved anything down your throat. If you don't like what he/she wrote don't read it.

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Where's it at? Because theres millions in America.
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Doesn't matter when the Baptist church was created. Point being, no denomination and YES the COC is a denomination can say they are the only ones that go to heaven. Jesus said no one goes to the father but thru Him...not COC duh!!
Jesus made it clear that He would provide this way of escape through a plan that would result in the establishment of His church—i.e., His body of “the called out.” The first messianic prophecy was to be fulfilled: Satan would bruise the Lord’s heel, but the Lord would overcome, and bruise Satan’s head (Genesis 3:15). Against the building of Christ’s church, not even the Gates of Hades could prevail (Matthew 16:18).

Further, there would be one and only one church. Paul wrote that Christ “is the head of the body, the church”(Colossians 1:18). In Ephesians 1:22, he stated concerning Christ that God “gave him to be head over all things to the church, which is his body.” Thus, Paul clearly identified the body as the church. Three chapters later, however, in Ephesians 4:4, Paul stated:“There is one body.” Expressed logically, one might reason as follows:

There is one body (Ephesians 4:4).
But Christ is the Savior of the body (Ephesians 5:22).
Thus, Christ is the Savior of one body.

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Christ is the Savior of one body.
But the body is the church (Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians1:18,24).
Thus, Christ is the Savior of one church.
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The body, Christ’s church, would be known as “the church of the Lord”(Acts 20:28),“the church of God”(1 Corinthians 1:2; Galatians 1:13),“the house of God”(1 Timothy 3:15),“the household of faith”(Galatians 6:10), and “the kingdom of God”(Acts 28:23, 31). The Lord’s people were to bear Christ’s name (Acts 11:26; 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16). The church would be His bride (Revelation 21:2), His wife (Revelation 19:7-8), and His kingdom (Revelation 1:9). Those in it would be victorious over Satan and death forever (1 Corinthians 15:26,54-56; 2 Timothy 1:9-10).

Unfortunately, men sought to alter the divine plan, and to infuse it with their own personal belief systems. Thus, the concept of denominationalism was born. Denominationalism, however, is unknown to, and unauthorized by, the Word of God. A denomination is defined as:“a class or kind having a specific name or value.” We speak of various monetary denominations—a five dollar bill, a ten dollar bill, etc. They are all different. The same is true of religious denominations. They are all different.

Denominationalism ignores the singularity and uniqueness of the true church, and establishes various groups teaching conflicting doctrines that are antagonistic both to the Bible and to each other. It also ignores the church’s relationship to Christ, described so beautifully in Ephesians 5 where Paul reminded first-century Christians that “the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church”(5:23). The apostle’s point was this: In a physical context, the wife is the bride, and the husband is the bridegroom; in a spiritual context, the church is the bride, and Christ is the bridegroom.[John reiterated this in Revelation 21:9.] In Acts, Peter discussed Christ’s relationship to His church when he observed that “neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, wherein we must be saved”(Acts 4:12).
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Denominations are man-made institutions that neither are recognized in, nor sanctioned by, the Word of God. The simple truth of the matter is that John the Baptist—while a marvelous harbinger of the Messiah—did not die to establish the church. Why, then, be a member of a denomination bearing his name? As great a reformer as Martin Luther was, the fact remains that he did not die to establish the church. Why, then, be a member of a denomination bearing his name? The early church’s presbyters (i.e., elders, bishops, overseers) did not give their lives on a cross to establish the church. Why, then, be a member of a denomination named after such men? The Bible—although it prophesies the coming of the church and documents its arrival—did not make possible the church. Why, then, be a member of a “Bible church”? Instead, should not Christians seek to be simply a member of the singular church that honors Christ’s authority, and that He purchased with His blood? It is His bride; He is its bridegroom. His congregations are called the “churches of Christ”(Romans 16:16).

Those who are true New Testament Christians are those who have done exactly what God has commanded them to do to be saved, in exactly the way God has commanded that it be done. In so doing, they have not “joined” some man-made religious denomination that, like a five-dollar bill is one denomination among many others, is simply one religious group among many others. If the church is the body, and there is only one body, then there is only one church. Further, one does not “join” the church. The Scriptures teach that as a person is saved, God Himself “adds” that person to the one true church (Acts 2:41) that bears His Son’s name.

The Bible speaks of the church as Christ’s kingdom. Jesus said the time for its coming had been “fulfilled”(Mark 1:15), and that the kingdom was as near as the generation of people to whom He spoke, since some of them would not taste of death before they saw the kingdom of heaven come (Mark 9:1). Paul taught that the church is constituted of saints (1 Corinthians 1:1-2). But when he wrote his epistle to the Colossians (c. A.D. 62), he specifically stated that by that time the saints in the church at Colossae were subjects in “the kingdom of the Son of his love”(Colossians 1:13). If the kingdom had not been established, then Paul erred in saying that the Colossians already were in it.[Those who teach that the church and the kingdom are separate, and that the kingdom has yet to arrive, must contend that there are living on the Earth today some of the very people to whom Jesus spoke nearly 2,000 years ago—since He stated that some who heard Him would not die until the kingdom had come (Mark 9:1).]

The New Testament teaches that the church is composed of individuals purchased with the blood of Christ (Acts 20:28), and that those so purchased were made to be a kingdom (Revelation 1:5-6; 5:9-10). Since the church and the kingdom both are composed of blood-purchased individuals, the church and the kingdom must be the same. And since the Christians that constitute the church were themselves translated into the kingdom, it is conclusive that the church and the kingdom are the same. The establishment of the kingdom coincided with the establishment of the church. Not only did the Lord foretell both the establishment of the kingdom and the church in the His generation, but the New Testament writers spoke of both the church and the kingdom as being in existence during the very generation of His arrival (i.e., the first century).
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You are very well versed in the New Testament teachings, and it has been a pleasure to read your writings. I would like to know who you are, so that we could discuss the reasonings of our Lord, but I know the very hint of someone's name would bring in the trolls like the horde!

“a thin line...”

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This is madness!!! Christ didn't start a church, he struck several blows against the organized religions of the day. If you want a founder of the church, it had to be St. Peter, founder of the Catholic church. If, like so many others, you believe the church became corrupted after the deciples died off, then the Morman teachings make a lot of sense. Who's to say Jesus didn't come to the new world (western hemisphere). That's the beauty of living in this country. You're free to believe anything you want, just don't try to force it onto anyone else. Freedom also means freedom from religion, and if I don't believe in fairy tales, that's my business.
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Nobody shoved anything down your throat. If you don't like what he/she wrote don't read it.
so r u the bodyguard r sumthin? dont cum in the middle of the posting tryin to act like u have sumthin to do with the ongoing conversation. thanks for your OPINION. all of these are opinions, nobody knws the absolute truth thats y its called faith. unless God personally told u Himself then dont state ur facts or quote the bible as if u were there when it was written. yes, king james could have added his own beliefs as could have any of the ppl that were responsible for its translations but nobody truly knws but Him so i believe as long as u worship Him and are good to fellow mankind u will b ok. thanks
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agnostic wrote:
Lmao shut up! So ur perception is the correct way? The Bible contradicts itself over and over and over. Its a good story and all but that's all it is, a story!
I disagree.... It's not that good of a story.
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Christian wrote:
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Jesus made it clear that He would provide this way of escape through a plan that would result in the establishment of His church—i.e., His body of “the called out.” The first messianic prophecy was to be fulfilled: Satan would bruise the Lord’s heel, but the Lord would overcome, and bruise Satan’s head (Genesis 3:15). Against the building of Christ’s church, not even the Gates of Hades could prevail (Matthew 16:18).
Further, there would be one and only one church. Paul wrote that Christ “is the head of the body, the church”(Colossians 1:18). In Ephesians 1:22, he stated concerning Christ that God “gave him to be head over all things to the church, which is his body.” Thus, Paul clearly identified the body as the church. Three chapters later, however, in Ephesians 4:4, Paul stated:“There is one body.” Expressed logically, one might reason as follows:
There is one body (Ephesians 4:4).
But Christ is the Savior of the body (Ephesians 5:22).
Thus, Christ is the Savior of one body.
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Christ is the Savior of one body.
But the body is the church (Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians1:18,24).
Thus, Christ is the Savior of one church.
And I should buy your kool-aid why?

BTW...Church of Christ didn't start at the birth or death of Christ, but rather as a religious movement consisting of people breaking away from the (then) denominations of that time. So your little club didn't start when you say it did. In order for the COC to be in existence it must have been when other denominations took place. If you want to get technical, Peter created the Catholic church...that would be the oldest living religion and created by one closest to Jesus.

For that matter...another poster is right. Jesus often spoke against organized religions...and that included the COC.

Can you imagine how many people you pushed away from Christ with your tirade? You should go home, pray for forgiveness, and never try this tactic again when trying to bring people to Christ.

His first and largest commandment is Love God and Love others. You've shown none of that here!
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One more thing before I leave you to your delusions. Christ is the head of the church...church is not a building, nor is it a denomination. The "Church" consists of all those who believe...a body of believers. That includes Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, and ANY and ALL of those who believe that Christ died to save us from our sins.

You claim you follow the Bible and the Bible only...yet you say that one must belong to the COC in order to be considered a true believer and go to heaven. Can you please point out the verse that says "There is only one way to the father...thru Jesus and the Church of Christ." Because I'm pretty sure no where in the Bible does it say your denomination is the one to follow.
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so r u the bodyguard r sumthin? dont cum in the middle of the posting tryin to act like u have sumthin to do with the ongoing conversation. thanks for your OPINION. all of these are opinions, nobody knws the absolute truth thats y its called faith. unless God personally told u Himself then dont state ur facts or quote the bible as if u were there when it was written. yes, king james could have added his own beliefs as could have any of the ppl that were responsible for its translations but nobody truly knws but Him so i believe as long as u worship Him and are good to fellow mankind u will b ok. thanks
I'm not arguing religion with you or anyone else. I have my own ideas. All I said was that if you didn't like what was posted don't read it. Nobody shoved anything down anybodys throat. Topix is an open forum and is not required reading. Some people on this site think that they have to post on every thread and that Topix is all important and an essential part of life. Evidentially you are one of these unfortunate people that has no life. I just come on to read a few of the threads and I get a kick out of idiots like you. You said that nobody knows the absolute truth about the Bible but then you try to argue. You sir or madam are a true idiot.
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Sarge wrote:
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I'm not arguing religion with you or anyone else. I have my own ideas. All I said was that if you didn't like what was posted don't read it. Nobody shoved anything down anybodys throat. Topix is an open forum and is not required reading. Some people on this site think that they have to post on every thread and that Topix is all important and an essential part of life. Evidentially you are one of these unfortunate people that has no life. I just come on to read a few of the threads and I get a kick out of idiots like you. You said that nobody knows the absolute truth about the Bible but then you try to argue. You sir or madam are a true idiot.
Everything u just said contradicted itself. U r simply mad at the fact that ur crazy anti-semantic church friend got called out on a bunch of bs. U just like to cum read posts and randomly throw ur opinion as if wat u say is true? Then in a lame attempt try to bash me for the exact same thing. I in no way tried to argue does ur literacy level not allow u to follow wat I said? I'm sorry u speak abt things u don't knw. I threw in my option like everyone else without 82 pgs of scripture and without a condescending tone. Thanks for ur feeble attempt to make me look like the idiot whn really u proved ur self to b mildly retarded. It's ok ill pray for u Sunday at my Baptist church.
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Can you not write in complete words??? And there is no God!!!
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this is stupid. its impossible to have a productive conversation with anyone these days without ignorance taking over. you respond with nonsense when you don't understand whats being said. its best keep your religion, politics, and all other person preferences to yourselves.
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bruceewuwu wrote:
This is madness!!! Christ didn't start a church, he struck several blows against the organized religions of the day. If you want a founder of the church, it had to be St. Peter, founder of the Catholic church. If, like so many others, you believe the church became corrupted after the deciples died off, then the Morman teachings make a lot of sense. Who's to say Jesus didn't come to the new world (western hemisphere). That's the beauty of living in this country. You're free to believe anything you want, just don't try to force it onto anyone else. Freedom also means freedom from religion, and if I don't believe in fairy tales, that's my business.
Although this declaration is obvious to many, sometimes its implications are overlooked. When Cornelius lay prostrate before Peter (cf. Acts 10:25), he told him,“Stand up; I too am just a man”(Acts 10:26, NASB). With this statement Peter implied three very important points:(a) that he was “too...a man”—that is to say, a man just like Cornelius; (b) that he was “a man”—that is to say, just like all men; and (c) that he was “just a man”—that is to say that he was not God, and ultimately was unworthy of worship. Peter, with all humility, understood that his human nature prevented him from accepting worship. On the other hand, the pope, being just a man like Peter, expects men to bow before him, kiss his feet, and revere him, thus receiving worship that does not belong to him. What a difference between Peter and his alleged successors! Not even God’s angels allow men to show adoration by kneeling before them (Revelation 19:10; 22:8-9). One can only be astonished at the tremendous audacity of one who usurps the place that belongs only to God!

Today it seems that many religious people want to make it so, and exalt Peter above the other apostles, in spite of what Jesus said.

Many Catholics try to justify their claim that Peter was the first pope by affirming that he was the greatest of the apostles. They declare that Peter was greater because:(1) he always is mentioned first in the lists of the apostles (e.g., Matthew 10:2; Mark 3:16; Luke 6:14-16; Acts 1:13); (2) he was the apostle who recognized Jesus as Lord in Matthew 16:16; and (3) Jesus told him to care for His sheep (John 21:15-19). Are these arguments sufficient for establishing the papacy or supremacy for Peter? No. Consider the case for any other apostle. For example, it could be said that John was the “greatest” of the apostles because:(1) in the Bible he is referred to as the “disciple whom Jesus loved”(John 13:23; 21:20,24); (2) he rested on Jesus’ bosom just before His arrest (John 13:25; 21:20)—certainly a posture that suggests a close relationship; and (3) Jesus charged him with the responsibility of caring for His mother (John 19:26-27). Does this mean that we also should consider John as a pope? If not, should we consider Peter as a pope when all of the apostles had the same authority and their own privileges? Indeed, Jesus gave all of His disciples, not just Peter, authority (Matthew 28:19-20).

Finally, consider the words of Paul. He said:“[F]or in nothing was I behind the most eminent apostles, though I am nothing”(2 Corinthians 12:11). From this verse, we conclude that Paul was inferior to none of the apostles, and that Peter was neither lesser nor greater than Paul.
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And what makes YOUR denomination the right one? Who is anyone to sit on their computer and imply that THEIR way is the only way to CHRIST? Last I checked the only way to Heaven is THRU Jesus...not the Church of Christ or any other freakin denomination...especially a denomination that has the nerve to say they will be the only ones to go to heaven!!!
I read the Bible for myself and strive to follow it. I attend a Baptist church. and you have thenerve to say I won't go to heaven? People like you make me sick! I say anyone who follows Jesus will go to heaven and you don't have to be some member of COC to do it!!!
As for the most accurate version of the Bible, it is NOT the KJV...since most of that version was based on what King James wanted put in.
I am COC and I will let you know that the church I attend does NOT teach that or believe it. I know COC that think different COC members are not going to heaven....and I know Baptists that think they are the only ones that will make it. That would make everyone a "cult member" I guess. I do believe you need to be baptized and live your life for God. I do not believe that you can at one point in your life say "I believe in God" and live the rest of your sin, and not seeking Gods favor. I truly believe NONE of US got it right, and we can only worship as close to Gods word as we can, and leave the rest to Him
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One more thing before I leave you to your delusions. Christ is the head of the church...church is not a building, nor is it a denomination. The "Church" consists of all those who believe...a body of believers. That includes Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, and ANY and ALL of those who believe that Christ died to save us from our sins.
You claim you follow the Bible and the Bible only...yet you say that one must belong to the COC in order to be considered a true believer and go to heaven. Can you please point out the verse that says "There is only one way to the father...thru Jesus and the Church of Christ." Because I'm pretty sure no where in the Bible does it say your denomination is the one to follow.
First, she wears the name of her head, owner, and savior—Christ (Daniel 7:14; Matthew 16:18; Romans 16:16; Ephesians 1:23; 4:12; Revelation 11:15). Her members wear the divinely bestowed name of “Christian”(Isaiah 62:1-2; Acts 11:26; 1 Peter 4:16).

Second, her organization was arranged by God to consist of Jesus as head, elders/pastors/bishops as the earthly overseers or managers, deacons as the designated workers/ministers, evangelists as the proclaimers of the good news, teachers as instructors in the faith, and all the other members, who are active in serving the Lord (Acts 6:1-3; 14:23; 20:17,28; Philippians 1:1; 1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-9; Hebrews 13:17; 1 Peter 5:1-4).

Third, her unique mission consists of bringing glory to God (1 Corinthians 6:20). As Peter explained:“If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God. If anyone ministers, let him do it as with the ability which God supplies, that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belong the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen”(1 Peter 4:11). This task is accomplished by disseminating the Gospel of Christ to the human race (Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:15-16; Luke 24:46-47; Acts 8:4; Romans 10:14; Philippians 2:15-16; Hebrews 5:12-14); by endeavoring to keep Christians faithful (Romans 14:19; 15:1-3; Ephesians 4:12; Jude 20-24); and by manifesting a benevolent lifestyle (Matthew 25:31-46; Galatians 6:10; James 2:1-17). In short, every member of the church is to strive for complete conformity to the will of Christ (Matthew 22:37-38; 2 Corinthians 5:9; 10:5; Ecclesiastes 12:13).

Fourth, her entrance requirements are unlike any other entity on the face of the Earth. The individual who is struck with the heinousness of sin, recognizing the purpose of Jesus’ atoning sacrifice through His death upon the cross, comes to believe in Jesus as the Son of God and the New Testament as the only authentic expression of His will. This belief leads him to repent of his sins, to orally confess Jesus as the Christ, and to be baptized in water, with the understanding that as he rises from the waters of baptism, he is forgiven of sin and added to the church by Christ (Mark 16:16; Hebrews 11:6; Acts 2:38,47; Romans 6:1-6; 10:9-10). These terms of entrance were given by Jesus to the apostles, who declared them on the occasion of the establishment of the church (Matthew 16:19; Acts 2).
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Fifth, her instruction manual is likewise exclusive and unique. The Bible, consisting of both Old and New Testaments, constitutes her one and only authentic and authoritative guide (Galatians 1:6-9; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 2:15; Acts 17:11; 2 Peter 3:16). These 66 books, written by some 40 men over a period of 1,600 years, are actually the product of the Holy Spirit, Who empowered the writers to pen only what God wanted written (2 Samuel 23:2; 1 Corinthians 2:9-13; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 1 Peter 1:10-12; 2 Peter 1:20-21). The Bible is thus verbally inspired of God, inerrant, and all-sufficient.

Many other characteristics of the church of Christ could be cited. But these five are sufficient to show that the church is easily identifiable and not to be confused with any other religious group. It was inevitable that people would deviate from the simple guidelines given in Scripture (1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Peter 2:1-2). The result has been the formulation of unbiblical doctrines, unscriptural practices, and unauthorized churches (Matthew 15:9,13; 2 John 9-11).

Do you love the church for which Jesus shed His blood? Do you? Do you love the body of Christ deeply enough to temper your concern for the lost with a righteous regard for the purity and loyalty of that body? Rather than obscure the reality and identity of the unique church of Christ, we would do well to take note of the clearly defined borders of the kingdom, that we might be able to give our attention to bringing in those on the outside. Fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness is not the answer; teaching and exposing them is (Ephesians 5:11).

If we would truly fathom that the church of Christ is distinctive, exclusive, and unique; if we would truly view fraternization with the denominations as traitorous; if we would love the genuine body of Christ with the same fervency and jealousy with which Jesus loves her; then we would be in a position to proclaim with Paul:“Unto Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end”(Ephesians 3:21).

About that one verse look at Psalm 127:1 Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.
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Fifth, her instruction manual is likewise exclusive and unique. The Bible, consisting of both Old and New Testaments, constitutes her one and only authentic and authoritative guide (Galatians 1:6-9; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 2:15; Acts 17:11; 2 Peter 3:16). These 66 books, written by some 40 men over a period of 1,600 years, are actually the product of the Holy Spirit, Who empowered the writers to pen only what God wanted written (2 Samuel 23:2; 1 Corinthians 2:9-13; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 1 Peter 1:10-12; 2 Peter 1:20-21). The Bible is thus verbally inspired of God, inerrant, and all-sufficient.
Many other characteristics of the church of Christ could be cited. But these five are sufficient to show that the church is easily identifiable and not to be confused with any other religious group. It was inevitable that people would deviate from the simple guidelines given in Scripture (1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Peter 2:1-2). The result has been the formulation of unbiblical doctrines, unscriptural practices, and unauthorized churches (Matthew 15:9,13; 2 John 9-11).
Do you love the church for which Jesus shed His blood? Do you? Do you love the body of Christ deeply enough to temper your concern for the lost with a righteous regard for the purity and loyalty of that body? Rather than obscure the reality and identity of the unique church of Christ, we would do well to take note of the clearly defined borders of the kingdom, that we might be able to give our attention to bringing in those on the outside. Fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness is not the answer; teaching and exposing them is (Ephesians 5:11).
If we would truly fathom that the church of Christ is distinctive, exclusive, and unique; if we would truly view fraternization with the denominations as traitorous; if we would love the genuine body of Christ with the same fervency and jealousy with which Jesus loves her; then we would be in a position to proclaim with Paul:“Unto Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end”(Ephesians 3:21).
About that one verse look at Psalm 127:1 Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.
if you're so passionate about his why dont u actually go preach to a group of people that want to hear you, such as a church sermon? why are you trying to convince people on a website to follow your way of thinking?

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