Which Denominational Church is NOT Going to Heaven?

JustChristian wrote:

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If I would go to those groups and present the gospel of our Savior as the apostles did so there would be some that might accept it.

Well that goes without saying, but I was trying to determine who is going to condemn another denomination's doctrine as it is taught by that denomination. So far, all of these "on fire for God" Christians on here aren't very "on fire" at all, at least as it relates to condemning false doctrine. Most seem more interested in ad hominem attacks and bashing Johnny's church and those related to it/him.

Bfrank wrote:

<quoted text>How is that home church thing working for you by the way?

EASILY more Biblical than yours. And don't even have a home church. How do you know I am not going to someone else's home? How do you know I am not attending some denomination? Besides, I still claim (as I always have) that I did not die for the church, Jesus did, so I don't have "my own church", like some on here have blatantly claimed. Kinda funny considering no one here died for the right to claim a church as "my church".

SeekingWanderer wrote:

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Well that goes without saying, but I was trying to determine who is going to condemn another denomination's doctrine as it is taught by that denomination. So far, all of these "on fire for God" Christians on here aren't very "on fire" at all, at least as it relates to condemning false doctrine. Most seem more interested in ad hominem attacks and bashing Johnny's church and those related to it/him.

Its one big universalist Church on here. Everyone is accepted, no matter what they teach or believe. Is this what the Bible teaches?

testing the spirits wrote:

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Its one big universalist Church on here. Everyone is accepted, no matter what they teach or believe. Is this what the Bible teaches?

Maybe we should be like the Apostles...if someone lies about the money they received, they would die from lying.

Maybe we should excommunicate them, or take their names off the Church book.

Seems the Apostles put up with a woman with a Spirit of divination, following them around for a while before casting the demon out.

I do agree that most Churches exclude women from worship and offices still today. Though Paul said one thing about them one place and something completely different somewhere else.

Which Baptism should we observe, Trinitarian formula, Jesus Name, or in the name of the Lord?

Do you think the Apostles would enter into a Church building and attend services today, or go to someone's house?

Do you think the Apostles would also attend a Synagogue on the Sabbath (Saturday)?

Do you think the Apostles would like it, no Prophesying or nine Gifts of the Holy Ghost, not operating in the Church? Do you think they would admonish us, to seek to Prophesy?

You said: Maybe we should be like the Apostles...if someone lies about the money they received, they would die from lying.

RE: You mean you are acknowledging that the Holy Spirit operates differently nowadays. You’re making my points for me.

You said: Maybe we should excommunicate them, or take their names off the Church book.

RE: Are you implying there is never just cause to excommunicate someone?

You said: Seems the Apostles put up with a woman with a Spirit of divination, following them around for a while before casting the demon out.

RE: Okay and your point is what?

You said: I do agree that most Churches exclude women from worship and offices still today. Though Paul said one thing about them one place and something completely different somewhere else.

RE: So, Paul was double-minded?

You said: Which Baptism should we observe, Trinitarian formula, Jesus Name, or in the name of the Lord?

RE: I addressed this on the other post

You said: Do you think the Apostles would enter into a Church building and attend services today, or go to someone's house?

RE: The Apostles wouldn’t even recognize todays Churches as THE CHURCH. Most are merely places to be entertained.

You said: Do you think the Apostles would also attend a Synagogue on the Sabbath (Saturday)?

RE: Synagogue…..HHMM

You said: Do you think the Apostles would like it, no Prophesying or nine Gifts of the Holy Ghost, not operating in the Church? Do you think they would admonish us, to seek to Prophesy?

RE: Which 9 do you have operating in your life?

testing the spirits wrote:

You said: Maybe we should be like the Apostles...if someone lies about the money they received, they would die from lying.
RE: You mean you are acknowledging that the Holy Spirit operates differently nowadays. You’re making my points for me.
You said: Maybe we should excommunicate them, or take their names off the Church book.
RE: Are you implying there is never just cause to excommunicate someone?
You said: Seems the Apostles put up with a woman with a Spirit of divination, following them around for a while before casting the demon out.
RE: Okay and your point is what?
You said: I do agree that most Churches exclude women from worship and offices still today. Though Paul said one thing about them one place and something completely different somewhere else.
RE: So, Paul was double-minded?
You said: Which Baptism should we observe, Trinitarian formula, Jesus Name, or in the name of the Lord?
RE: I addressed this on the other post
You said: Do you think the Apostles would enter into a Church building and attend services today, or go to someone's house?
RE: The Apostles wouldn’t even recognize todays Churches as THE CHURCH. Most are merely places to be entertained.
You said: Do you think the Apostles would also attend a Synagogue on the Sabbath (Saturday)?
RE: Synagogue…..HHMM
You said: Do you think the Apostles would like it, no Prophesying or nine Gifts of the Holy Ghost, not operating in the Church? Do you think they would admonish us, to seek to Prophesy?
RE: Which 9 do you have operating in your life?

I have yet to see someon tell someone they would fall dead from lying to the Holy Ghost today, have you?

1 Corinthians 11
1Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

2Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

4Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

5But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

11Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

12For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

13Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?

14Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

15But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

16But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

Why would Paul say something here about women and then say the Church of God and we have no such customs? What is Prophecy, would a woman who Prophesieth and a man does not Prophesy, is she usurping authority over a man?

The Apostles went many places and preached and you're saying they would not go to a modern day church ?

They were Jewish Christian and observed Jewish customs and even preached in the Temple and Synagogues on saturdays (the Sabbath).

Regina, if you read more with a mind to know the truth it is evident that some understandings of Paul are inconsistent, as you pointed out. This is one reason it is good to back up and build your faith on the rock as Jesus said we should - by hearing and doing what He taught.

If you do that, I doubt you'd have any more of the questions you have.

As the Father said,'Hear Him.' Even Mary said:'Do whatever He tells you to do.'

Barnsweb, do you reject his words when you do not keep the sabbath correctly? Look, we both know that we cannot go around binding the law on each other. If you can't keep the words of Jesus perfectly then you need his sacrifice for your sins. Jesus fulfilled ever tiny part of the law.

You see, the curse of the law was that you had to do the law without any mistakes, only Jesus could do that.

But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

There was nothing wrong with the law, the problem is the sin nature-sin living in us.

Those of us who try to seek redemption by law keeping are destined for failure.

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!

We have been acquitted of our guilt of our sin even though we are all guilty. That is why Jesus had to fulfill the righteous demands of the law, so that he could stand before God bearing our sins.

God made him (Jesus) who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Now, dear brothers and sisters—you who are familiar with the law—don’t you know that the law applies only while a person is living?

God’s Law Reveals Our Sin

And by the law we are all convicted as charged!

How about the more obvious question.

Where is heaven?

Barnsweb wrote:

Regina, if you read more with a mind to know the truth it is evident that some understandings of Paul are inconsistent, as you pointed out. This is one reason it is good to back up and build your faith on the rock as Jesus said we should - by hearing and doing what He taught.
If you do that, I doubt you'd have any more of the questions you have.
As the Father said,'Hear Him.' Even Mary said:'Do whatever He tells you to do.'

People misunderstand the questions I ask, I have studied and know about what I speak and understand.

If you look more closely and understand the statements I have made, is a point that all doctrine is not perfect. We make the doctrine, by the life we live and understand the Bible.

Who is to say, a person who prays for salvation, is wrong. As many have different views on the meaning of repentance. Is there any better way to get God's attention,by praying or praising God.

Who is able to judge, whether a person Baptized or a person who dies before Baptism, is saved? We have no precedence covering whether a person who dies before Baptism is lost. Everyone on here, has an opinion concerning this subject, which is right and which is wrong?

I may not be articulate with words like some on here, or care less about someone's feelings also. Everyone sees an Apostolic Believer , who no one understands and no other Apostolic believer to lean on, on here. Almost everyone on here, even you, have not agreed or encouraged me in any way. But like others, real quick to point out my mistakes and even refuse to post on threads I start (about women). How can you bring a point across about misgivings about a subject and no one posts.
Why not study the points from my view, Apostles not Baptized, 108 people on Pentecost not mentioned as repenting or being Baptized. Everyone is quick to point out ''Repent and be Baptized for remission of sins. The man who preached this message, we have no record of his repenting or being reBaptized ever. No matter the answer, most denominations, foundatiions built upon Acts 2:38 and any suggestion otherwise (is blasphemy).
Paul wrote scriptures one way in one place, and something contrary to the fact, somehwere else.But we are to take it all in stride and not darken the waters (woman's place in church). How many wives a Deacon can have, wife or wives? No mention of repentance and Baptism for remission of sins mentioned very often in his writings (but we have to follow Acts 2:38),or we are herectics.