Marion nursing home faces probation

The Indiana State Department of Health announced Monday it wants to put Bradner Village Health Care Center's license on probation in response to the accidental death of an Alzheimer's resident. Full Story
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kathy

United States

#2 Mar 27, 2007
I'll be damned if I ever allow myself to go a nursing home.
David

Cincinnati, OH

#4 Mar 27, 2007
This nursing home has had numerous problems over the past few years and needs serious investigation. The owner is a local politician and therefore probably will not be held accountable for the conditions at this facility. This is the same facility where a resident drown in the Mississinewa River and the home didn't know she was missing! That incident has been kept quiet too... When is the state going to make this facility be accountable for their residents? The astronomical amount of money they charge for their services, the residents deserve better. Maybe Eric Waltz (owner) should pay more attention to the nursing home and worry less about politics and multiplying his millions.
patty

Fishers, IN

#5 Mar 27, 2007
they are just now putting them on probation? The staff was negligent. They should be checking on ALL patients far more often than they did. I worked on a med/surg floor with plenty of demented patients. Those are the ones you check on MORE often.

“Idiocy causes aneurysms”

Since: Dec 06

Carmel, IN

#6 Mar 27, 2007
David wrote:
This nursing home has had numerous problems over the past few years and needs serious investigation...
To echo these comments, my girlfriend's mom was a speech pathologist at this facility several years ago and left because of the horrid mistreatment the residents received and the lack of compassion/empathy that the owner showed for the actions of his staff. It is sad that it took an event such as this to finally bring the truth to light.
agree

Indianapolis, IN

#7 Mar 27, 2007
jen in mooresville wrote:
well i feel they are responsible
i mean what kind of people do they have working there anyway
hope they are not a accrediated facilty
sounds like they are not
Well, when I was 19 years old, I decided to take CNA classes at a nursing home in my home town. It was just a two week course and then you were a CNA with the nursing home.

I breezed through the course work. I was in a tiny room all day studying and reviewing with the small class and did not see the facility.

The 2nd week was the "clinical" period which we worked for one week unpaid to receive certificatioin.

What I had seen was heartbreaking.

There was a nursing home located across the street and there was actually a code that was used if an inspector was seen nearby and we had to spiffy things up.

I worked in the Alzheimer's hall and that was so sad. A man was left by a regular staff employee in the restroom the size of a small broom closest (literally, a closet with just one toilet) for the duration of an hour lunch period. I had checked the man's room upon my arrival and sought out the employee and asked where he was. She said "Oh ___, I forgot about him" and let him out. This man could not move on his own and could not communicate. It must have been horrible for him.

Another man was just brought in who was in a wheelchair. He had asked to go to the restroom and I could not do anything because I was early back from lunch and had to wait for the staffers because the nurse at the station said "He is a two man lift, you must wait for someone" I told the man that he would have to wait for someone to come assist him. I apologized and said "I am only a student and cannot do anything." He looked at me with these big eyes I still remember 9 years later and said "If this were a school and I were a student, I'd run away from here as fast as I could" He ended up urinating on himself.

I had to assist one Alzeheimer patient who was pretty well progressed in the disease. She liked to refuse to eat. I had to cut up her food and try to hand feed her and she would refuse. I was informed by the nursing home that if she doesn't take the food after the first try, that her food is to be taken away.

I would never, never, never, never subject any loved one to live the remainder of their years within the confines of a nursing home's dark and death-smelling walls. There is no care at all in these facilities.

My great-grand mother passed away in a nursing home when I was little - she had bed sores that you would not even want to hear described because they would never move her.
agree

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Mar 27, 2007
p.s. - I ended up quitting during that 2nd week because I just couldn't treat a human the way that I was being instructed.
yowanna know

Shoals, IN

#9 Mar 27, 2007
A nursing home is a business.

The goals of a business are as follows.
1. Make a profit.
2. Keep the state inspectors happy.
3. Care of the residents.

But this is America. We have the best health care in the world. NOT
Common Sense

Chebanse, IL

#10 Mar 27, 2007
David wrote:
This nursing home has had numerous problems over the past few years and needs serious investigation. The owner is a local politician and therefore probably will not be held accountable for the conditions at this facility. This is the same facility where a resident drown in the Mississinewa River and the home didn't know she was missing! That incident has been kept quiet too... When is the state going to make this facility be accountable for their residents? The astronomical amount of money they charge for their services, the residents deserve better. Maybe Eric Waltz (owner) should pay more attention to the nursing home and worry less about politics and multiplying his millions.
There is also an incident that currently has three nurses from the nursing home up on felony charges stemming from an incident that resulted in another loss of life. The victim in this case had such a severe drop in her blood sugar she never recovered. From what I remember, she was 'unresponsive' over half the day before emergency personnel were ever contacted. So, there was that incident, the incident at the river, and the poor gentleman who froze to death. All recent. How many strikes does it take before you are out? I hope that everyone involved in these outrageous events are held accountable.
More WORKERS

Fishers, IN

#11 Mar 27, 2007
This happens all the time in these facilities being under staffed is the main reason..
Joe S

United States

#12 Mar 27, 2007
This place is the pits! I've been there.
Sue Ann

Dearborn, MI

#13 Mar 27, 2007
My mother-in-law was in Carmel Care (Indiana) for a year until she died on Thanksgiving Day 2006.(This post says I live in Michigan, but I don't, I live in Carmel.) We visited her at least twice a week, sometimes more. She received EXCELLENT care there. Her nurses were wonderful, caring people. Not all facilities are the same. There are good ones out there...the caregiver/guardian just has to do a lot of research ahead of time. Call the National Alzheimers Assocation and get referrals, visit often, ask questions and be nosy. Just putting someone in a "nursing home" and never checking on them is not the answer, but there is a place for good nursing home/assisted living/long-term care facilities in our society, but they must be overseen by the families of the infirm, who should also take some responsibility for the residents, and by the health care industry and the government agencies who regulate them. Self-regulation by the nursing home industry will never work.
TVS

Sellersburg, IN

#16 Mar 27, 2007
A MAJOR factor in the high rate of nursing home neglect is that under Indiana's wrongful death laws, you can't sue for the wrongful death of a parent/sibling unless you were financially dependent on them. Once a person enters a nursing home like this one, they are destitute, and no one depends on them financially. So, the nursing home gets away with negligently killing the person.

Indiana needs to reform its civil laws so that nursing homes absolutely fear the cost of negligently killing someone. Until then, negligence will occur wherever negligence is profitable.
Daniel Phillips

Glasgow, KY

#17 Mar 27, 2007
Don't let Indiana become Kentucky!Kentucky has been having a tremendous amount of problems with its inpatient hospital (Oakwood) for persons with developmental disabilities (2 dozen former workers await trials and more than 1 patient has died), nursing homes that have had Medicaid/Medicare funding pulled before the state even took notice of the facility, a 10 year girl murdered by her parents (father and stepmom)- she was adopted by her dad and stepmom even though 1 had a felony conviction, they hadnt seen her in 9 years, they both had domestic violence offenses, and the girl had had a history of being abused by these folks

Kentucky had a social worker murdered while taking a baby to its mom for a visit - The Cabinet of Health and Family Services has yet to design a way to protect these social workers

1 developmentally disabled women in a community group home fell and no one could pick her up for nearly 45 minutes (wish that they would have called the paramedics)- she later died

Don't let Indiana become like Kentucky!

Daniel W. Phillips III, Ph.D.

Since: Mar 07

Mooresville

#18 Mar 27, 2007
agree wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, when I was 19 years old, I decided to take CNA classes at a nursing home in my home town. It was just a two week course and then you were a CNA with the nursing home.
I breezed through the course work. I was in a tiny room all day studying and reviewing with the small class and did not see the facility.
The 2nd week was the "clinical" period which we worked for one week unpaid to receive certificatioin.
What I had seen was heartbreaking.
There was a nursing home located across the street and there was actually a code that was used if an inspector was seen nearby and we had to spiffy things up.
I worked in the Alzheimer's hall and that was so sad. A man was left by a regular staff employee in the restroom the size of a small broom closest (literally, a closet with just one toilet) for the duration of an hour lunch period. I had checked the man's room upon my arrival and sought out the employee and asked where he was. She said "Oh ___, I forgot about him" and let him out. This man could not move on his own and could not communicate. It must have been horrible for him.
Another man was just brought in who was in a wheelchair. He had asked to go to the restroom and I could not do anything because I was early back from lunch and had to wait for the staffers because the nurse at the station said "He is a two man lift, you must wait for someone" I told the man that he would have to wait for someone to come assist him. I apologized and said "I am only a student and cannot do anything." He looked at me with these big eyes I still remember 9 years later and said "If this were a school and I were a student, I'd run away from here as fast as I could" He ended up urinating on himself.
I had to assist one Alzeheimer patient who was pretty well progressed in the disease. She liked to refuse to eat. I had to cut up her food and try to hand feed her and she would refuse. I was informed by the nursing home that if she doesn't take the food after the first try, that her food is to be taken away.
I would never, never, never, never subject any loved one to live the remainder of their years within the confines of a nursing home's dark and death-smelling walls. There is no care at all in these facilities.
My great-grand mother passed away in a nursing home when I was little - she had bed sores that you would not even want to hear described because they would never move her.
good for you
Get Over Yourself

Cincinnati, OH

#19 Mar 27, 2007
More WORKERS wrote:
This happens all the time in these facilities being under staffed is the main reason..
This one's going to be even more under-staffed when they have to hire two new 40-hour a week employees. They'll probably let go 3 underpaid employees who do (or are supposed to do)patient care.
David

Cincinnati, OH

#20 Mar 28, 2007
Common Sense wrote:
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There is also an incident that currently has three nurses from the nursing home up on felony charges stemming from an incident that resulted in another loss of life. The victim in this case had such a severe drop in her blood sugar she never recovered. From what I remember, she was 'unresponsive' over half the day before emergency personnel were ever contacted. So, there was that incident, the incident at the river, and the poor gentleman who froze to death. All recent. How many strikes does it take before you are out? I hope that everyone involved in these outrageous events are held accountable.
I hope the state will SERIOUSLY investigate this facility and not sweep it under the proverbial rug because of political influence. The owner of Bradner Village is a politician in the Grant County Government and I am sure the Prosecutors office, Police Department(s), and Health Department are all looking the other way when something like this happens in his facility. The only reason this is getting so much attention now is because poor Mr. Elliott's son happens to be an attorney in Marion and daughter-in-law a very respected dentist. I am sure the young Mr. Elliott is wanting to get to the bottom of this whole mess, and fortunately, has the resources to do so. This one wont be put on the back burner so easily.
long ago

Indianapolis, IN

#21 Mar 28, 2007
Get Over Yourself wrote:
<quoted text>
This one's going to be even more under-staffed when they have to hire two new 40-hour a week employees. They'll probably let go 3 underpaid employees who do (or are supposed to do)patient care.
At the time that I had done this in the late '90s, CNA pay was $6.00/hr
Tweety_angel

United States

#23 Sep 13, 2007
just and FYI Walts is no longer a politician he ended that to take care of Bradner Village
grant county citizen

Barnesville, OH

#24 Oct 2, 2007
Not nearly soon enough. They should be HELD ACCOUNTABLE, probation is just not enough. Its been almost a year since Tonia just disapeared from this facility, no phone calls to family, nothing. And the stuff they let go on in there,
Brian-Tonia's so called husband, he wasn't her husband, they never were married. And the stuff that was witnessed is just too horrible to even mention. Un freaking real. I hope the kid's lawsuit goes well.
dennis brankle

Indianapolis, IN

#25 Oct 3, 2007
David from Marion.. You really do not know just how true the statement is that you just made. Marion, Indiana and Grant County are under the control of the Republican Protection Racket. That is of course unless you are a Republican in Grant County that says what they believe. Then even the RPR will shut them down also. I trust you know what I am talking about. The RPR will go to great links to protect their own. Look for the Prosecutors Office to say that this case is a "civil matter".

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