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Man slain by police was felon

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#75
Jul 25, 2008
 
Judeca wrote:
"Deputies found no weapon, and are continuing the investigation." Seems we read that in a lot of police officer shootings lately. Okay he's a fleon, were the police officers really concerned he had a weapon or were they of the mind set as some above have posted? Lennox, Inglewood, LA, OC, Torrance..........it seems they are all trigger happy anymore.
Mind you own state and city's business, Tex.
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#76
Jul 25, 2008
 
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There is no law against reaching under your seat, but common sense will tell you not to make any suspicious movements when approached by an officer! Put yourself in the officer's shoes. How are they supposed to know what he's reaching to get? And anyway, someone said he was reaching for a cigarette ... that may not have been the right time to reach under your seat for a cigarette!
true, he lacked common sense. but that is not justification for him being killed. I have reached into my pocket in front of a police officer and I lived to tell about it.
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#77
Jul 25, 2008
 
All drug dealers need to be executed on the spot period.
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#79
Jul 25, 2008
 
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true, he lacked common sense. but that is not justification for him being killed. I have reached into my pocket in front of a police officer and I lived to tell about it.
I can almost guarantee that your situation was under different circumstances from this individual. His lack of better judgement is the reason he is where he is today. Officer safety is priority at all stops regardless of what the situation may be. They have a dangerous job filled with people longing to kill them. Nowadays, it is hard to tell who will shoot and who won't. You make it look like you will and they will beat you to the punch!
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#80
Jul 25, 2008
 
Sam Preston wrote:
<quoted text> YEs its ok to shoot and unarmed man, now 10-4 over and out.
YOUR STUPID
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#81
Jul 25, 2008
 
because he's a felon, dosn't give the police the right to kill.
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#82
Jul 25, 2008
 
If you want the true story then someone let me know I WAS THERE AND NOW THE TRUE STORY!!!!!
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#83
Jul 25, 2008
 
HE WAS NOT A DRUG DEALER and what happened in 91 they are tryin to cover it up like they did then.
HE WAS NOT A DRUGE DEALER!!!!!!!
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#85
Jul 25, 2008
 
There is a lot of hate here.

We need to think a little more before commenting. the guy was a human being --a child of god --like us all.

may god forgive us for our ignorance.

To the police officer --may god forgive you--I am certain you did not wake up that morning and say "hey I am going to kill someone."

To the family--may you find strength in knowing that your loved one is with god.

STOP HATING!!!
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#86
Jul 25, 2008
 
Seriously! One less problem? You are obviously an ignorant person who is completely unaware of police actions in poor neighborhoods. I grew up with Chris and I will tell you this, He is not the person the police and the news is making him out to be.
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#87
Jul 25, 2008
 
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
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#88
Jul 25, 2008
 
Go Cops wrote:
The double shooting by the same officer ... I still think he was doing his job. He felt his life was in danger, so he did what he was trained to do.(You should never point a gun at an officer and expect to live!)-- But as everyone always says when someone dies "He was a good guy, Always friendly, Hardworking, Bright future ... blah blah blah" I'll bet no one thought those things when they were alive. Plus if they were all those things, they wouldn't have been involved in a deadly scuffle with the cops in the first place. Hardworking good people are at home spending time with their families and preparing for the next work day! Why is everyone so heartbroken over criminals within our communities losing their lives? But when they're alive and committing the crimes, everyone is ****! C'mon, stay on one side of the fence!
You have no idea what you are talking about. He did not have a gun. For that matter he didn't have any drugs either. Yes he was a good guy, and yes we all said the same thing when he was alive. Sure there are people who try to injure cops but NOT HIM. He did not reach for anything. There were people who say the whole thing. You wont hear about that though. If people new "the police" made the mistake and was to quick to pull a trigger there would be kaos and society would start to fear the people who are supposed to protect and serve. This is the second shooting like this in that area in the past month. It is easier for them to consider Chris guilty because he did a couple of bad things in his younger years, than for them to admit the police shot and killed an innocent man sitting in his car on his own property. Sad thing is we will neve hear about it in the news if and when they prove the officer was at fault.
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#89
Jul 25, 2008
 
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The man reached under his seat of his vehicle!!! Why would you do that when a cop has stopped you and is standing right there. The cop has a split second to make a decision ... do I stand here and wait to see if there is a gun that he may fire at me or should I protect myself and not wait until he fires at me as I could lose my life. You sitting there, it is easy to answer that question with "well, I would wait and see if he had a gun" but when you're face to face with the question, you do what you must.
It is completely idiotic to make any type seemingly "threatening" move in front of an officer. Plus, what the heck was he reaching under his seat for? Did he drop a peice of gum? The cops were stopping him for something ... what was it? What was he doing that caught the suspicion of the police? Apparently, something not good otherwise his first reaction would not have been to reach under his seat!!!
Do you know that everytime you hear of a cop shooting an unarmed man... they were always conveniently reaching under the seat. If so he would not have been shot in the chest. Chest wounds are hard to get when hunched over. The previous person said cover up because by COVERING THERE ASS with the he was reaching under the seat lie the police is trying to hide the fact that they messed up.

I agree with you. If they told him to show his hands and then he reached under the seat for something it would have been justified, but when an onlooker said his hands were up and the shots he received also prove he was upright, you think you might question this just a bit. It is easy to think he was a bad guy because that is what the news is telling you. My uncle is a sheriff, I am not anti cop, but THEY messed up here not Chris.
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#90
Jul 25, 2008
 
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You say this now... but what happens when this guy starts selling drugs to your kids in your neighborhood and one of them dies from a drug overdose? You would be on the band wagon saying the cops didn't do their job.
Good job police, one more bad guy gone from this earth.
Again Ignorance. Do you hear yourself? Because you think he was a drug dealer it is ok he is dead. This is disgusting to me. He was not a drug dealer!!! Because he did things as a teenager it is justified for cops to kill him as an adult. Regardless this is not 1985. The big bad drug dealers are not on the corner seeking out your kid. we need to be good involved parents and stop blaming the outside world. He was a kid when he got those charges. Does that mean it is not possible for someone to change? He was not nor was he ever a drug DEALER. He grew up in a gang infested area and never himself even became a gang member. You go ahead and convict based on lies you hear in the news. Just think how you would feel if it were your son who was at home not causing anyone harm on you property who got killed.
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#91
Jul 25, 2008
 
its me wrote:
<quoted text>the next time your child stops breathing or your someone breaks into your mthers house call a gangbanger you tu*d what a loser


If you are ignorant enough to think there is no way the cops made a mistake here than I feel sorry for you. Cops are people too and they are just as faulty as the rest of us. This situation is a reverse of your little analogy. Except the cops came on to his property with no warrant or probable cause and shot an innocent man. So who then is here to protect him?
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#92
Jul 25, 2008
 
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You can't be serious with this comment. "Give him another second"? Are you kidding? Oh wait .. you're right. The cops KNEW that there was no weapon in the vehicle, they KNEW they weren't even going to find drugs. They were just bored that day and decided to mess up lives of people all around, including their own, by drawing their weapon and firing. Give me a break! Drug dealer/user or not ... you should never make sudden movements as this individual did, when you are being questioned by an officer, no matter what the situation is. Officers are in the line of duty to stop criminals, apprehend violent people, and put a stop to criminal activity. If they stop you, then they suspect that you're doing something unlawful. They don't stop you to chit chat and tell you you're doing a good job as a citizen. So, why make the situation worse by provoking any further thoughts in their minds.
I do have sympathy for the family, as I know first hand that it is hard to lose a family member. So, my prayers go out to this family. But all the negativity towards the officers are ludicrous. He did his job, the suspect made an unwarranted move (reaching underneath the seat of his vehicle, and the cops (lacking x-ray vision) truly and sincerely felt he was reaching for a weapon. It's simple logic. DO NOT MAKE UNWARRANTED, SEEMINGLY THREATENING MOVES WHEN APPROACHED BY AN OFFICER!
The problem you don't seem to get is, he didn't reach for anything. He grew up in Lennox and believe we all know better than to make any moves when approached by the cops. Even he knew. Around here you don't even get your id out without first telling them where it is before you reach for it. Tell me this. He was on his property sitting in his car minding his own business, what right did these cops have to go on to his property with their guns drawn and no warrant? They had there guns out from the beginning. Plese make sense of that to me.
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Jul 25, 2008
 
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You're right. He was an innocent, upstanding man, model citizen, and the cops knew in their hearts that he had nothing. They were just out to kill that day! Since this guy was in their path, they decided to choose him! C'mon. Be serious. Give me a break! These are cops people, not Superman with x-ray vision! Because the cops knew this man wasn't affiliated with gangs or drugs and they knew he had no gun! You are so right!--- Please. So, I hope you have your local gang banger's phone numbers so you can call them in your time of emergency!
You are either a cop or a very ignorant person. Yes you are right cops never mess up. Cops never use racial profiling to decide how to deal with people. No one thinks they set out to kill him, but the fact of the matter is they did unjustly kill him. Don't you think it is possible the cop jumped the gun? Seriously, just think about it, it is possible.
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#94
Jul 25, 2008
 
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I don't understand the controversy. Dead ****= good thing. Who cares if the cop was wrong. This guy never contributed anything positive to the world. I hope he didn't have children so the gene pool stops with the cop's bullet. The more dirt bags that get popped, the better.
P.S. You never hear of "innocent" people getting whacked by the cops, by the way. Only scum "trying to turn their life around"... So stop your whining.
You are the one who should not procreate. How do you know what he did or did not contribute to this world. Oh I get it. You are one of those people who believe everything they read in the paper. Again I urge you not to procreate. I will pray for your eyes to be open to the world around you.

So we should just kill off all the bad guys in this world huh? Really! I pray that the hate in your heart is replaced with love. To say what you said blindly without knowing anything more than what you read in this lie of an article breaks my heart.
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Jul 25, 2008
 
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It's funny how you automatically assume that I am not a person of color. But it does sound like you live a very stereotypical life. True, cops may have a bit of a bad rep. but I don't walk around afraid of being killed because of my skin color. By minding my own business, contributing to my society, going to work every day, coming home to be with my family, and not being caught up where I don't have any business being, I don't fear for my life.
I don't live my life by stereotypes. I live my life by knowing that I am doing what I am supposed to do and surprise ... I have never had a run-in with the police. Also, I have done a ride-along recently with the sheriff's department, it definitely did give me a new perspective on these people who put their lives on the line for all of us. It was dangerous and scary.
Everyone says the same thing ... they pick on me because I'm black, they pick on me because I'm hispanic, they pick on me because I'm poor. Maybe some as there are bad apples in every aspect of life, and true, racial profiling has increased ever since 9/11, but a majority of officers do not go around killing or seeking a shoot-out with random people of color or economic status. Remember, when they're involved in a shoot-out, not only does it involve the suspect/victim, but it hinders the officer's livlihood, family, and status as well!
Stereotypes are old and stale. We're individuals and if you decide to group yourself into a "status group" then you will eventually act and live like one!
You said you stay away from places you don't have any business being. He was at HOME!!! You obviously have not spent much time in Lennox. I am as straight an arrow as they come and let me tell you I have been messed with by these Sheriff on numerous occasions. Taken out of my car, handcuffed and put in the back seat while they search my car. All of this done for their safety. I was doing nothing wrong and do not fit under a racial profile but I was treated so harshly and talked to like I was dirt. Again this has happened many times to me. I just so happen to live around the corner from the Lennox sub-station in Lawndale so I have no way to avoid them and their harsh tactics. You are forgetting, they had no probable cause, they had no 911 call, they did not pull him over, they pulled into his driveway jumped out of the car guns drawn and jumped the gun by shooting Chris.

It does not matter how many of your posts I respond to because I think you will stand you ground. You will only understand when this happens to you or someone you know. I hope it doesn't happen to you or anyone you know but if something is not done to stop this madness, who is next? You, me, him, her... who?
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#96
Jul 25, 2008
 
From The Right wrote:
Some of you people need to think a little. So he didn't have a gun. Then he should not have made a "reach under the seat" motion. If the cop waits to find out what he is reaching for, the cop will probably not go home to his family. They are taught to react to this before the felon shoots them. I've seen to many funerals for cops. Time for a few more "felon" funerals, and maybe people will wake up and respect authority. Stop bashing the police. Get off your couch and join the Sherrif's dept and find out what it is like to face these thugs day after day. They sell drugs to our kids, bring our property values down, ruin our schools, fill our courts and jails, and make LA a crappy place.
I support the police 1000%!!!!
So should we let the police shoot someone like Lindsay Lohan next? You keep saying felon but his felony is the same on she was charged with. No she will just go make another movie and my friends family has to bury him. I support the police too but they are human not super human and they mess up too. All of the things you listed about Chris as you so called justifiable reasons for him to be dead are just untrue.

Guilty until proven innocent. That is not the way it is supposed to be. He will never get the chance to prove himself though. So thats your way of saving the world? Then who IS worthy to live? Just you and the Police I guess.
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