Muslims/Christians To Worship Together Sunday In Montclair

May 19, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Patch.com

Christians and Muslims will worship together Sunday at St. John's Episcopal Church in Montclair as part of an effort to build sustainable relationships between the two communities.

More specifically, the idea is to counter the country's continuing focus on the radicalization of Muslims ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 May 20, 2011
from Patch:

"'This will be a blending of traditional Episcopal liturgy along with readings of the Qur'an,' he said.'It is a blending of traditions. It's not easy to do this ..."

Especially since the qu'ran denies the Trinity and that Jesus is the unique Son of God, as well as His crucifixion and resurrection.

Of course, some Episcopal clerics, i.e., Bishop Spong, would agree with the qu'ran.

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I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#2 May 20, 2011
Check out the history of The Cathedral and former Great Mosque of Córdoba. There is precedent for joint use of the same structure for worship.

'Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be known as the children of God!'

A statement attributed to a 'Jewish Rabbi' about 2,000 years ago.

from the article:

He said that Christians and Muslims often come together—but not usually as part of a regular Sunday morning service.

"This will be a blending of traditional Episcopal liturgy along with readings of the Qur'an," he said. "It is a blending of traditions. It's not easy to do this. It can be rather difficult ... to be respectful of different traditions. But I think it's important."

Butler said that when he took his idea for an interfaith service to Muslim leaders he got a positive reaction right from the start.

"The idea was met with welcome ears and it's been a delight to put this together," he said. "We've each learned a lot about each other's faith."

Butler said the church is planning to launch various educational initiatives in the fall that center not only on Islam but on other faiths as well.

"We can learn a lot about our own faith by learning about others," he said.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#3 May 20, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
Check out the history of The Cathedral and former Great Mosque of Córdoba. There is precedent for joint use of the same structure for worship ...
You should check recent history: Spain forbids the practice of islam in what is now a Catholic Cathedral.

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#4 May 20, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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You should check recent history: Spain forbids the practice of islam in what is now a Catholic Cathedral.
It seems that in the history of Spain that at one point Islam was more advanced in tolerance the modern Spanish Catholicism. That was why I asked to to check out the history of the cathedral. Modern Spanish Muslims are attempting to win the right to also use the cathedral given its' history.

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#5 May 20, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
.... Modern Spanish Muslims are attempting to win the right to also use the cathedral given its' history.
Spain was invaded by Moors who allowed the Spanish to keep their religion in order to ruthlessly tax them and not because of any tolerance on islam's part.

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#6 May 21, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
Spain was invaded by Moors who allowed the Spanish to keep their religion in order to ruthlessly tax them and not because of any tolerance on islam's part.
LOL - An England fought the Opium Wars with China to force the Chinese to buy opium from the British Colonies in India and South East Asia.

And let’s not forget this lovely historical event. Those 13th Century Bishop's of Rome had such a real sense of compassion for their fellow Christians in the Byzantine Empire!

http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/the-fourth-crus...

The Fourth Crusade - The Sack of Constantinople in 1204

The crusaders, now better styled the invaders, took Constantinople by storm. No "infidels" could have treated in worse fashion this home of ancient civilization. They burned down a great part of it; they slaughtered the inhabitants; they wantonly destroyed monuments, statues, paintings, and manuscripts - the accumulation of a thousand years. Much of the movable wealth they carried away. Never, declared an eye-witness of the scene, had there been such plunder since the world began.

The Fourth Crusade - The Wealth of Constantinople

The victors hastened to divide between them the lands of the Roman Empire in the East. Venice gained some districts in Greece, together with nearly all the Aegean islands. The chief crusaders formed part of the remaining territory into the Latin Empire of Constantinople. It was organized in fiefs, after the feudal manner. There was a prince of Achaia, a duke of Athens, a marquis of Corinth, and a count of Thebes. Baldwin, Count of Flanders, was crowned Emperor of the East. Large districts, both in Europe and Asia, did not acknowledge, however, these "Latin" rulers. The new empire lived less than sixty years. At the end of this time the Greeks returned to power.

Consequences of the Fourth Crusade

Constantinople, after the Fourth Crusade, declined in strength and could no longer cope with the barbarians menacing it. Two centuries later the city fell an easy victim to the Turks. The responsibility for the disaster which gave the Turks a foothold in Europe rests on the heads of the Venetians and the French nobles. Their greed and lust for power turned the Fourth Crusade into a political adventure.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#7 May 21, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
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LOL - An England fought the Opium Wars with China ...
... all of which has exactly what to do with the incompatability if islam and Christianity?
Listen to the Word

Kingman, AZ

#8 May 21, 2011
If we believe Jesus is the Son of God and that God is triune and Islam believes Jesus in only a prophet and not the Son of God and that God is not triune, we must draw the conclusion that Islam is a heathen religion. There is no doubt that Islam regards Christianity as heathen or they would not outlaw it in Islamic led countries. The Bible says that we have no fellowship with those who do not believe Jesus is the Son of God and Savior of the world. In fact, it says, "Avoid them" and do not invite them into your home. But, as we know, the Bible means very little to TEC. Getting together and singing a spiritual Kumbaya seems more important.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#9 May 22, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL - An England fought the Opium Wars with China to force the Chinese to buy opium from the British Colonies in India and South East Asia.
And let’s not forget this lovely historical event. Those 13th Century Bishop's of Rome had such a real sense of compassion for their fellow Christians in the Byzantine Empire!
http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/the-fourth-crus...
The Fourth Crusade - The Sack of Constantinople in 1204
The crusaders, now better styled the invaders, took Constantinople by storm. No "infidels" could have treated in worse fashion this home of ancient civilization. They burned down a great part of it; they slaughtered the inhabitants; they wantonly destroyed monuments, statues, paintings, and manuscripts - the accumulation of a thousand years. Much of the movable wealth they carried away. Never, declared an eye-witness of the scene, had there been such plunder since the world began.
The Fourth Crusade - The Wealth of Constantinople
The victors hastened to divide between them the lands of the Roman Empire in the East. Venice gained some districts in Greece, together with nearly all the Aegean islands. The chief crusaders formed part of the remaining territory into the Latin Empire of Constantinople. It was organized in fiefs, after the feudal manner. There was a prince of Achaia, a duke of Athens, a marquis of Corinth, and a count of Thebes. Baldwin, Count of Flanders, was crowned Emperor of the East. Large districts, both in Europe and Asia, did not acknowledge, however, these "Latin" rulers. The new empire lived less than sixty years. At the end of this time the Greeks returned to power.
Consequences of the Fourth Crusade
Constantinople, after the Fourth Crusade, declined in strength and could no longer cope with the barbarians menacing it. Two centuries later the city fell an easy victim to the Turks. The responsibility for the disaster which gave the Turks a foothold in Europe rests on the heads of the Venetians and the French nobles. Their greed and lust for power turned the Fourth Crusade into a political adventure.
Romans killing the Orthodox.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

In 2004, Pope John Paul II extended a formal apology for the sacking of Constantinople in 1204; the apology was formally accepted by Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople. Many things that were stolen during this time: holy relics, riches, and many other items, are still held in various Western European cities, particularly Venice.

Apparently apologies without restitution is A-OK for romans....

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The Mountain Empire

#10 May 22, 2011
Listen to the Word wrote:
If we believe Jesus is the Son of God and that God is triune and Islam believes Jesus in only a prophet and not the Son of God and that God is not triune, we must draw the conclusion that Islam is a heathen religion. There is no doubt that Islam regards Christianity as heathen or they would not outlaw it in Islamic led countries. The Bible says that we have no fellowship with those who do not believe Jesus is the Son of God and Savior of the world. In fact, it says, "Avoid them" and do not invite them into your home. But, as we know, the Bible means very little to TEC. Getting together and singing a spiritual Kumbaya seems more important.
When are you going to go after the Jews (again), Adolph?

LOL..........

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Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#11 May 23, 2011
MiddleWay wrote:
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Romans killing the Orthodox.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
In 2004, Pope John Paul II extended a formal apology for the sacking of Constantinople in 1204; the apology was formally accepted by Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople. Many things that were stolen during this time: holy relics, riches, and many other items, are still held in various Western European cities, particularly Venice.
Apparently apologies without restitution is A-OK for romans....
LOL - Did the list of 'holy relics' include pieces of the "True Cross' or bottles of Diva Maria's milk? I would really like to see some of the original ‘bread and fish’ that Christ Jesus used to feed the crowd while he preached. I hoped some samples survived the Sack of Constantinople. Kill the people save the relics!

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

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The Mountain Empire

#12 May 24, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
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Kill the people save the relics!
That sums it up, unfortunately..........

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