Glastonbury Teens Arrested On Drug Charges

Jerry Garcia wrote:

Who do you think they get the alcohol from is my question? I believe from older friends and stealing from their parents.I do not believe they are purchasing it at the store.If so then we need stiffer penalties for merchants selling to minors and their businesses forfeited.They should be treated/Busted with penalties,fines,imprisonment just like for any Drug Bust.Placing Marijuana behind the counter would require an ID like any mind altering substance requires.Legalization will also cheapen the price of the Herb making it a worthless non profitable product on the street.This would all but remove Marijuana from the street and illegal sales to minors where they easily obtain it now.When was the last time you saw somone trying to sell cheap alcohol on the streets? The children/minors who are going to use will whether it is Legalized or not there will always be this faction of individuals.<quoted text>

Jerry, I really think we are saying the same thing.

I am fully aware of MINORS in POSSESSESION being illegal,we all are aware.Try to stay on the same page.The way to help alleviate this TEEN DRUG PROBLEM is to LEGALIZE MARIJUANA.This takes the Criminal Element out by placing Marijunaa on the shelf with Alcohol where you have to have ID to purchase.This would create a safer product free from harmful additives.This also will reduce the price of HERB making it non profitable for street sales,like alcohol after Prohibition. The states with Decriminalization Measures and Medical Marijuana Programs have shown the losest incidence in Teen Use Increases.Booking and incarcerating teens will not alleviate the problem .70 years of incarcerations and the Drug War escalates at the cost of Billions per year,of YOUR TAX DOLLARS. We should COLLECT TAX DOLLARS from Pot Sales ,to responsible individuals, to help our economy. Instead we are PAYING excessive taxes to build more prisons,INSTEAD OF SCHOOLS.We should also do this to help alleviate the overcrowding of our prisons with non violent pot smokers.It Does matter what I say, I talk to my Senator and Congress Members..

JPR wrote:

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It doesn't matter what either of you say... Both items are illegal for teens to have. "Book em Dano!"

Jerry Garcia wrote:

I am fully aware of MINORS in POSSESSESION being illegal,we all are aware.Try to stay on the same page.The way to help alleviate this TEEN DRUG PROBLEM is to LEGALIZE MARIJUANA.This takes the Criminal Element out by placing Marijunaa on the shelf with Alcohol where you have to have ID to purchase.This would create a safer product free from harmful additives.This also will reduce the price of HERB making it non profitable for street sales,like alcohol after Prohibition. The states with Decriminalization Measures and Medical Marijuana Programs have shown the losest incidence in Teen Use Increases.Booking and incarcerating teens will not alleviate the problem .70 years of incarcerations and the Drug War escalates at the cost of Billions per year,of YOUR TAX DOLLARS. We should COLLECT TAX DOLLARS from Pot Sales ,to responsible individuals, to help our economy. Instead we are PAYING excessive taxes to build more prisons,INSTEAD OF SCHOOLS.We should also do this to help alleviate the overcrowding of our prisons with non violent pot smokers.It Does matter what I say, I talk to my Senator and Congress Members..<quoted text>

Jerry, I just ignored JPR's response. It's obvious that he didn't even understand the path that OUR conversation was heading.

JPR wrote:

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Oh it is understood... You are a crime supporter!

More Laws = More Criminals. But this drug war has nothing to do with fighting REAL crime or controlling drugs. Instead it creates crime and makes drugs more dangerous in a completely unregulated market. A market open to kids.

JPR wrote:

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Yea, Our society will do fine with a bunch of lazy good for nothing druggies laying around with needles hanging out of their arms. Why don't you go turn blue in someones bathroom!

Our society already has these, so your prohibition laws are obviously not working. Those who want to take drugs already do. Are you going to rush out and get addicted to heroin if the law changes? Is that really what's holding you and the rest of us from it? Of course not.

In fact, the drugs would be less available to minors if they were sold by licensed dealers in a regulated market. And the drugs themselves would be less dangerous, since purity and doseage would be controlled and clearly marked on the label. Poisonings and overdoses would be greatly reduced, as would street crime around the black market. Also, addicts would be able to seek help without fear of legal or employment repercussions. Despite stereotypes, non-medical drug consumers are mostly employed and respectable citizens. Alcohol is the prime example. It is a deadly addictive drug, but prohibition only made all problems associated with it worse, and created many additional problems. Same thing is happening now with the drugs that are still prohibited.

And the fact that its not a public health or safety policy, but rather a culture war of prejudice and hate, is illustrated by the tone of your comments: calling all drug users "lazy good for nothings" and wishing I would turn blue. Your type of sentiments and motives are hardly what should be guiding our nation's drug policy.

Al Capone wrote:

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More Laws = More Criminals. But this drug war has nothing to do with fighting REAL crime or controlling drugs. Instead it creates crime and makes drugs more dangerous in a completely unregulated market. A market open to kids.

Can you tell me how these upstanding citizens obtain their money for purchasing the drugs and what would change if they were legal? The price would no doubts be unchanged due to regulatory and advertising costs as well as R&D. So how is this going to stop these people from stealing their next, oh so badly needed, drug?

Middletown Joe wrote:

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Can you tell me how these upstanding citizens obtain their money for purchasing the drugs and what would change if they were legal? The price would no doubts be unchanged due to regulatory and advertising costs as well as R&D. So how is this going to stop these people from stealing their next, oh so badly needed, drug?

"How these upstanding citizens obtain their money for drugs" is quite a generalization to answer. But I would say the vast majority of them WORK for their drug money. That's how my junkie friend did it when I knew him 12 years ago, we were both waiters at the same restaurant. Lots of guys work construction or as day laborers for contractors to buy their drugs, as well as pay rent and buy food.

The bigger question is why should people be criminalizewd for their choice of drug? When the deadly addictive drugs alcohol and nicotine are legally available, why should those choosing other drugs be criminalized? Many of the illegal drugs are less dangerous and harmful than alcohol and nicotine. Alcohol consumers tend to work for their drug money, just as the majority of other drug consumers do.

Al Capone wrote:

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"How these upstanding citizens obtain their money for drugs" is quite a generalization to answer. But I would say the vast majority of them WORK for their drug money. That's how my junkie friend did it when I knew him 12 years ago, we were both waiters at the same restaurant. Lots of guys work construction or as day laborers for contractors to buy their drugs, as well as pay rent and buy food.
The bigger question is why should people be criminalizewd for their choice of drug? When the deadly addictive drugs alcohol and nicotine are legally available, why should those choosing other drugs be criminalized? Many of the illegal drugs are less dangerous and harmful than alcohol and nicotine. Alcohol consumers tend to work for their drug money, just as the majority of other drug consumers do.

Very difficult to make generalizations when you have one junkie friend. Most steal, from family, boost from stores or break in to houses, cars or muggings. Although I have no junkie friends I was in contact with hundreds in a previous job.

Again you can't argue for legalization when you don't have the facts, also we are not talking about alcohol and nicotine. In this safer world of mandatory drug testing most of your arguement flies out the window.

Thank god! As a former policeman, I can say that marihuana would have turned thousands of innocent white anglo-saxon protestant youth into hardcore heroin addictz.

god bless tha us

Rob wrote:

It seems like this task force has been responsible for taking down a lot of drugs in the Manchester area...
But is it really legal to just go and search somebodys car in their driveway just because somebody says there "may" be a drug deal going on?

Wow....Manchester even gets the blame for surrounding towns too!!! People are so ignorant!!

john doe wrote:

fcuk the pigs... one of the kids was a penny pusher.. he never moved more then an ounce and hes getting in trouble for driving the other dickhead around.. it just aint right. tax dollars well spent? i dont think so

Yeah, pigs...nice "john". Next time you're pus sy a ss needs one, you'll call though won't you......WONT YOU???! You little effin pansy!!

What are the names of these 2 teens?

CTMomof2 wrote:

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Rob did you note the word "surveillance"?? They don't just randomly go search a car in a driveway because John Doe called and said there would be drugs there. There's that thing called probable cause.

no you are stupid thats an excuse to search typical dumb people believing whatever the police say

Rob wrote:

It seems like this task force has been responsible for taking down a lot of drugs in the Manchester area...
But is it really legal to just go and search somebodys car in their driveway just because somebody says there "may" be a drug deal going on?

Yes the law works wiers that way. It is probable cause. The suspician or evidence that a crime has been or will be commited. If the police have evidence for probable cause it gives them the right to search without a warrent.