North Carolina pastor calls for death of gays, lesbians by trapping them inside electric fence

Leviticus 25:44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Exodus 21:20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

Genesis 19:33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger,“Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father.

Deuteronomy 22:28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and r@pes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Genesis 19:8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

1 Timothy 2:11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.

34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Matthew 19:(Jesus Speaking) 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

1 Corinthians 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

Numbers 31:(Moses Speaking) 15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. 17 Now ki11 all the boys. And ki11 every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

2 Kings 6:27 The king replied,“If the LORD does not help you, where can I get help for you? From the threshing floor? From the winepress?” 28 Then he asked her,“What’s the matter?”

She answered,“This woman said to me,‘Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we’ll eat my son.’ 29 So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her,‘Give up your son so we may eat him,’ but she had hidden him.”

FORGIVE ME CHRISTIANS IF I'VE TAKEN SOMETHING OUT OF CONTEXT. PLEASE EXPLAIN THE CORRECT CONTEXT AND HOPEFULLY, IF THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDES YOUR EXPLANATION, YOU WILL DRAW SOME SOULS TOWARDS CHRIST.

Tolerant wrote:

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You have written thousands of words on this site, but they include nothing more than Bible verses selected to support your position that homosexuality is a sin, along with your constant claims that noone understands you. You must be passive aggressive because you still refuse to accept that the topic of this forum is about a call by a reknown anti-homosexual authority figure to kill all homosexuals. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you keep talking all around this subject? You talk about viewpoints. Since when is a decision to kill a viewpoint? That is sick and perverted! You say that I am a "destoyer". To the contrary, I am here because I believe in justice and my intent is to protect the rights of everyone, including homosexuals. Why are you here? I know that it infuriates you fundamentalists when someone stands up against your attempts to promote hatred and violence. You were raised in an environment where you were taught not to think...to simply believe what you were told. Now you are obviously at a point in your life that you are trying to convince yourself that it all wasn't a fraud. You're trying to rectify the inconsistencies that result from a literal interpretation of the Bible (e.g., thou shalt not kill vs. stone them to death). You obviously are also struggling to determine your subsequent relevence in the world. You're not here on this site for anyone else but you. To you, this whole discussion is about YOUR religious beliefs and your desparate need to convince everyone that they are sound. You're so-called views are offered for the benefit of noone but you.

I am here because I choose to be here. Same as you. As for your psychobabble attempt to analyze anything concerning who I am or what I am thinking-well if it makes you happy to do so, you aren't bothering me. I don't try to live my life to satisfy man, my only goal is to live my life in service to God and in such a way that it is pleasing to Him.

and who exactly are your views offered for? To support a self destructive agenda of a group of people who have a choice to what their behavior is? There is a choice and always has been. Just because the human flesh is now being flooded with hormones that have inappropriately became part of our food chain as well as weak flesh does not mean that one cannot control his/herself.
It's all a spiritual battle of the mind, controling factor being the presence of the Holy Ghost.

JesusLover wrote:

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I am here because I choose to be here. Same as you. As for your psychobabble attempt to analyze anything concerning who I am or what I am thinking-well if it makes you happy to do so, you aren't bothering me. I don't try to live my life to satisfy man, my only goal is to live my life in service to God and in such a way that it is pleasing to Him.
and who exactly are your views offered for? To support a self destructive agenda of a group of people who have a choice to what their behavior is? There is a choice and always has been. Just because the human flesh is now being flooded with hormones that have inappropriately became part of our food chain as well as weak flesh does not mean that one cannot control his/herself.
It's all a spiritual battle of the mind, controling factor being the presence of the Holy Ghost.

But the purpose of this discussion isn't to call gays and lesbians in account, is it? It's about calling a man standing in authority that is representing the teaching of Jesus and requiring this man to accurately demonstrate ANY words or actions of Jesus that would validate that Jesus Himself would endorse the idea of the murder by torture of ANY person or group. You can deflect this all you want but by any measure trying to claim his attitude is somehow divinely inspired is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which is unforgivable. And if you, instead of doing the correct thing of cleaning your own house of uncleanliness, refuse to aknowlege this fact by directing the finger of blame to everyone else but yourselves and the murderous attitudes of your hearts that you are trying to claim is there by the presence of Jesus, you are as guilty as this preacher. Welcome to Hell.

JesusLover wrote:

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I am here because I choose to be here. Same as you. As for your psychobabble attempt to analyze anything concerning who I am or what I am thinking-well if it makes you happy to do so, you aren't bothering me. I don't try to live my life to satisfy man, my only goal is to live my life in service to God and in such a way that it is pleasing to Him.
and who exactly are your views offered for? To support a self destructive agenda of a group of people who have a choice to what their behavior is? There is a choice and always has been. Just because the human flesh is now being flooded with hormones that have inappropriately became part of our food chain as well as weak flesh does not mean that one cannot control his/herself.
It's all a spiritual battle of the mind, controling factor being the presence of the Holy Ghost.

I must have hit a truth nerve. So you obviously support Worley. SEIG HEIL!!!!!!

Tolerant wrote:

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I must have hit a truth nerve. So you obviously support Worley. SEIG HEIL!!!!!!

Tolerant. It has gone on for thousands of years and will continue for thousands more. The religious zealots will never be able to see their own hypocrisy, nor will they ever understand the true spirit of God, or the tolerance or compassion for their fellow man. Just as Jesus pointed out the error of their ways to the Pharisees, and changed the Old Testement wording to bring harmony and understanding to humanity, they continue to follow these same patterns. "None are so blind as those who will not see". Like you, I enjoy the challenges with these zealots. I just don't have any great expectations in any future enlighenment.

Syrus wrote:

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But the purpose of this discussion isn't to call gays and lesbians in account, is it? It's about calling a man standing in authority that is representing the teaching of Jesus and requiring this man to accurately demonstrate ANY words or actions of Jesus that would validate that Jesus Himself would endorse the idea of the murder by torture of ANY person or group. You can deflect this all you want but by any measure trying to claim his attitude is somehow divinely inspired is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which is unforgivable. And if you, instead of doing the correct thing of cleaning your own house of uncleanliness, refuse to aknowlege this fact by directing the finger of blame to everyone else but yourselves and the murderous attitudes of your hearts that you are trying to claim is there by the presence of Jesus, you are as guilty as this preacher. Welcome to Hell.

you don't determine my final destination one way or the other. every word that you put in my mouth that I have not said is bearing false witness.

Tolerant wrote:

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I must have hit a truth nerve. So you obviously support Worley. SEIG HEIL!!!!!!

you haven't hit anything except the repeat button in your head.
Same song, different day.

anwhy wrote:

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you haven't hit anything except the repeat button in your head.
Same song, different day.

That is a real zinger coming from you. You can't see your same tendency?

anwhy wrote:

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you don't determine my final destination one way or the other. every word that you put in my mouth that I have not said is bearing false witness.

Just as you don't determine the final destination of homosexuals, or anyone else. See how ironic it is that you would say that?

Bill Of Rights wrote:

<quoted text>Sorry but the facts are that many of our founding fathers were in fact deists and are plainly on record that they abhorred the Christian religions! The United state was NOT founded on the Christian religion! The treaty of Tripoli of 1796 states..."As the government of the United States of America is NOT in any SENSE founded on the Christian religion" Lets see what some of them actually said on this very subject shall we? LOL

Was America founded on Christianity? NO!

http://www.freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfat...

let's be more specific? Many of the founding fathers? Who is this exactly? To restate my earlier comment, James Madison was a Christian. Most of the men who signed our constitution were pastors. I would list the names, but it would be long. I am by no means claiming that Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin and I would agree on Christianity. But during heated debate Benjamin Franklin made this comment if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without God knowing, how could a great nation arise without God knowing. He then led the founding fathers in prayer Not very deistic of him would you say?
Not saying he was Christian. He never said that he was. To deny that Christianity did not influence western cultures during that time is ridiculous.

anwhy wrote:

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you haven't hit anything except the repeat button in your head.
Same song, different day.

So tell us all Mr. "Good" Christian,do you in fact support what this psychotic reverend said in his sermon? And if so,do you believe that if Jesus suddenly showed up at that church he would sit idly by and say nothing to this reverend about the content of his hateful sermon? That he would agree and condone what he said and what this reverend believed? If so,you're as crazy as he is! Jesus would in fact weep for him and this so called man of God should beg for forgiveness! You also if that's what you trully believe!

mike wrote:

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let's be more specific? Many of the founding fathers? Who is this exactly? To restate my earlier comment, James Madison was a Christian. Most of the men who signed our constitution were pastors. I would list the names, but it would be long. I am by no means claiming that Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin and I would agree on Christianity. But during heated debate Benjamin Franklin made this comment if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without God knowing, how could a great nation arise without God knowing. He then led the founding fathers in prayer Not very deistic of him would you say?
Not saying he was Christian. He never said that he was. To deny that Christianity did not influence western cultures during that time is ridiculous.

No doubt that the influence of Christianity on western culture is pronounced, but their intense dislike for a theocracy, like the one many escaped from in England, became very evident in the establishment of the 1st Amendment. Here they established that everyone could make their own personal decision regarding the worship of God. This was their first and foremost intent. Do you think the founding fathers would want to see fellow citizen homosexuals abused and a call for their eminent death to be voiced in the house of the lord, particularly by one who claims to be a 'man of God?'

Arnold-Ziffel wrote:

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No doubt that the influence of Christianity on western culture is pronounced, but their intense dislike for a theocracy, like the one many escaped from in England, became very evident in the establishment of the 1st Amendment. Here they established that everyone could make their own personal decision regarding the worship of God. This was their first and foremost intent. Do you think the founding fathers would want to see fellow citizen homosexuals abused and a call for their eminent death to be voiced in the house of the lord, particularly by one who claims to be a 'man of God?'

Getting the real , intelligent sort of answer out of any Christian about this subject usually comes back to " Its in the bible how can you deny anything that's in the bible , your going to h3ll " kinda thing .

If its one thing ive learned in my lifetime is that Religious people are very close minded and one sided people . Hypocrites most of them .

So there's not much point in any kinda of real discussion , They have Blind Faith yet most do not live like the bible said to live anyways .

You Kids Get Off My Lawn wrote:

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So tell us all Mr. "Good" Christian,do you in fact support what this psychotic reverend said in his sermon? And if so,do you believe that if Jesus suddenly showed up at that church he would sit idly by and say nothing to this reverend about the content of his hateful sermon? That he would agree and condone what he said and what this reverend believed? If so,you're as crazy as he is! Jesus would in fact weep for him and this so called man of God should beg for forgiveness! You also if that's what you trully believe!

ok, for the third or so time (and let me write it in big letters so even the blind can see) I DO NOT SUPPORT MURDER!

Now can I get any plainer?

If people refuse to accept what I just said, then it's all on you all. Believe what you want to believe about me. The servant is no greater than the master and Jesus was accused of blasphemy, so why should I expect any better than what He went through?

Arnold-Ziffel wrote:

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Just as you don't determine the final destination of homosexuals, or anyone else. See how ironic it is that you would say that?

I never said I determine the final destination of anyone.
The Word of God convicts the lost right to the center of their core unless they have been turned over to a reprobate mind.

I didn't write the rule book boys.
I didn't make the rules at all.
The conviction people are feeling comes straight from the truth of the Word of God.

Take it up with Him and argue away.

JesusLover wrote:

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ok, for the third or so time (and let me write it in big letters so even the blind can see) I DO NOT SUPPORT MURDER!
Now can I get any plainer?
If people refuse to accept what I just said, then it's all on you all. Believe what you want to believe about me. The servant is no greater than the master and Jesus was accused of blasphemy, so why should I expect any better than what He went through?

You cant tell me you dont suppost murder and violence but yet supposrt the bible , Your saying two different things . Its called talking out of both sides of your mouth .
Leviticus 25:44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Exodus 21:20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
Genesis 19:33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger,“Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father.
Deuteronomy 22:28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and r@pes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
Genesis 19:8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”
1 Timothy 2:11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.
34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
Matthew 19:(Jesus Speaking) 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

JesusLover wrote:

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ok, for the third or so time (and let me write it in big letters so even the blind can see) I DO NOT SUPPORT MURDER!
Now can I get any plainer?
If people refuse to accept what I just said, then it's all on you all. Believe what you want to believe about me. The servant is no greater than the master and Jesus was accused of blasphemy, so why should I expect any better than what He went through?

Sorry to break this to the victim, but we're not trying to hang you on the cross. This is free speech from both sides. Your bible obviously supports murder, as well as slavery and slave beating. I'd sure hate to face God one day explaining that I attributed such things to Him.

JesusLover wrote:

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I never said I determine the final destination of anyone.
The Word of God convicts the lost right to the center of their core unless they have been turned over to a reprobate mind.
I didn't write the rule book boys.
I didn't make the rules at all.
The conviction people are feeling comes straight from the truth of the Word of God.
Take it up with Him and argue away.

I have taken it up with Him. He's made it very clear He didn't write the bible.

JesusLover wrote:

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I never said I determine the final destination of anyone.
The Word of God convicts the lost right to the center of their core unless they have been turned over to a reprobate mind.
I didn't write the rule book boys.
I didn't make the rules at all.
The conviction people are feeling comes straight from the truth of the Word of God.
Take it up with Him and argue away.

If you really have a conviction that the Creator of the Universe is responsible for this...that is a miracle.

Leviticus 25:44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Exodus 21:20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

Genesis 19:33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger,“Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father.

Deuteronomy 22:28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and r@pes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Genesis 19:8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

1 Timothy 2:11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.

34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Matthew 19:(Jesus Speaking) 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

1 Corinthians 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

Numbers 31:(Moses Speaking) 15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. 17 Now ki11 all the boys. And ki11 every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Arnold-Ziffel wrote:

<quoted text>No doubt that the influence of Christianity on western culture is pronounced, but their intense dislike for a theocracy, like the one many escaped from in England, became very evident in the establishment of the 1st Amendment. Here they established that everyone could make their own personal decision regarding the worship of God. This was their first and foremost intent. Do you think the founding fathers would want to see fellow citizen homosexuals abused and a call for their eminent death to be voiced in the house of the lord, particularly by one who claims to be a 'man of God?'

I agree with much of what you are saying. The founding fathers definitely setup guards to keep from having a national religion. However, separation of church and state came reluctantly and later down the road. Ironically the baptists fought for separation of church and state under President Jefferson. Jefferson early on was against ending the forced state tithe. Eventually all states obviously did but it wasn't right away. Because of the beginning support of a state tithe we see the founding fathers were fairly conservative. The problem is secularists make claims not based off of any real history while Christians suggest this ultra conservative beginning that is pure fiction as well. The truth is they were still products of their time greatly influenced by injustice as you pointed out. But not anti religious on any scale. That is a stretch, and a big one seeing a how even Jefferson signed documents with in Christ Jesus our Lord. The craziest one of the group I might add.

On the issue of the crazy Georgian who suggested an interesting strategy for dealing with these specific sinners, I quote Jesus, he who is without sin cast the first stone. I am sick of Christians who seem to think homosexuality is an especially evil sin. I honesty think many would more easily accept a murder. Ridiculous! The Bible is clear on its stance concerning homosexuality in both testaments. It's wrong in Gods eyes, but so is coveting your neighbors wife. I do not believe someone should go jail for coveting nor do I believe it should be against the law in America to be homosexual. So they deserve death because of their sins? The Bible says all deserve this for sin. Homosexuals are no more sinners than I. Thankful when God came in the flesh as Jesus Christ His mission was not to condemn us to death as this crazy man suggested we do to homosexuals. He came to save us from sin. By His very death He establishes the wrongness of all sin, but for the purpose of offering salvation not judgement. Homosexuality is a legitimate struggle and not any worse than an other struggle. Jesus is the answer not following rules. We can't be good and follow the rules right that is why we need Christ. Without Christ, people will face a perfect God who cannot tolerate sin. With Christ, God sees His death the paid my debt and raises this life from the dead. I have such peace. I hope many more find this peace as well.