CUSD wants pay cut for teachers

Mom at PV wrote:

Will, you have to ignore that guy who is taking cheap shots. I know tons of great teachers and they work their fannies off. I think all the controversy wouldn't happen if the upper management in CUSD had done their jobs properly. That has affected everyone, and suddenly people like that jerk come after teacher too. To be fair, there are some improvements we can make. We have to improve our high schools that probably are the weak link in CUSD. Any weak part affects the reputation of the entire machine. We have had some bad management for sure, but we also need to overcome it. If a takeover by the state occurs, maybe that is the fastest way to improvement. We have to do something or more people like "No Place to Hide" come out of the woodworks and blame the teachers.

Should we disect your above post grammatically?(hint: we shouldn't end sentences with prepositions. However, we all do it when writing informally). Are we working "to" improvement, ar "for" improvement?

Ooops, or, not ar. Karma. Perhaps, through your rose colored glasses, my views should be discounted due to this typing error?

Mom at PV wrote:

When you brag about your own credentials, maybe you missed a few English classes along the way.

LOL.

Your grammar skills say much about your "education".

All right No Place to Hide! I am depending on you, to keep the pressure on. I agree with so much of what you are posting. And would like to type it all out as you have done so well. But I was put through the school system so that they could make money, and keep their jobs. I learned the most when the teacher was young and pretty, she had my attention. Keep them all young and pretty. Tenure is not a good thing. But only hire women as extras because men command the respect needed of students in the class rooms.(Lets make our next mayor a man.)

No Place to Hide wrote:

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I've said nothing of my own credentials. Please show me where I've made public my credentials? Or, perhaps, you're simply creating a diversion because you have no individual thought on this particular topic?

Okay, how is this where you did it?

No Place to Hide wrote:

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Wow. I have a PHD in Nuclear Physics and Master's degrees in Electrical Engineering and Mathamatics. All of this was completed in three years at MIT. Yet, I chose to be a school nurse simply to help the children.
Gee! This game is fun.
Oh, by the way, I've seen the test scores and you truly don't seem to be making a positive impact (perhaps that's not the type of impact you were referring).

Impartial wrote:

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Okay, how is this where you did it?
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That was sarcasm my simple minded little friend. Do you truly believe that any human being could complete the curriculum required to complete a PHD in Nuclear Physics, and attain two Masters, in Electrical Engineering and Mathamatics respectively, all at MIT, all in three years?

No Place to Hide wrote:

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That was sarcasm my simple minded little friend. Do you truly believe that any human being could complete the curriculum required to complete a PHD in Nuclear Physics, and attain two Masters, in Electrical Engineering and Mathamatics respectively, all at MIT, all in three years?

Thing here is, some people attack my intellect, yet I got it? First rattle out of the box.
Keep on em No Place TO Hide. Teachers hare becoming to degenerated to amount to being teachers.

No Place to Hide wrote:

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That was sarcasm my simple minded little friend. Do you truly believe that any human being could complete the curriculum required to complete a PHD in Nuclear Physics, and attain two Masters, in Electrical Engineering and Mathamatics respectively, all at MIT, all in three years?

That was obvious, but you did ask someone if they could find where you touted your credentials. You never said not to find your exagerrated or inflated credentials :) It was just another sarcastic attempt to dish it back. If you can do it, don't criticize others for the same sarcasm. I say that with humor as well. Fair right?

The whole issue with the teachers is indeed an interesting one. The more cuts there are, the harder the job, and then the harder to accomplish good results, and then the harder to justify the salary. It's a Catch 22. The administration may be using that strategy lately. I am all for cuts to get the salaries in line with what they can afford, but I am also in favor of wholesale changes at the management level to "get the bums out" that caused this. I don't live under a rock. We have all heard the stories about the people down there. If they are as stupid as everyone claims, why the heck would anyone wait another year to remove them?

Impartial wrote:

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That was obvious, but you did ask someone if they could find where you touted your credentials. You never said not to find your exagerrated or inflated credentials :) It was just another sarcastic attempt to dish it back. If you can do it, don't criticize others for the same sarcasm. I say that with humor as well. Fair right?
The whole issue with the teachers is indeed an interesting one. The more cuts there are, the harder the job, and then the harder to accomplish good results, and then the harder to justify the salary. It's a Catch 22. The administration may be using that strategy lately. I am all for cuts to get the salaries in line with what they can afford, but I am also in favor of wholesale changes at the management level to "get the bums out" that caused this. I don't live under a rock. We have all heard the stories about the people down there. If they are as stupid as everyone claims, why the heck would anyone wait another year to remove them?

Let’s take a close look at what you’re saying. This debate (based on the title of this thread) deals with making cuts through teacher’s salaries. Administrative salaries and costs should be handled independently. Now, before you discount this theory, let me give you a thought.

We the people live in this wonderful country which allows us to select our School Board officials through a popular vote. In this process, we assume the responsibility of accepting the decisions of our elected officials. This includes selecting administrators along with their negotiated salaries. Should we the people not approve of the decisions made by the Board, we have the right to either “recall” or elect different representatives.

Teachers, however, do not have to answer to the people. They, with the backing of their union, have the ability to hold the education of our children “hostage” while negotiating their wages. Should the teachers strike, our children’s opportunity for a public education suffers. Absolutely; Administers could hire temporary (scab) teachers (which might not be such a bad thing on a whole) to continue the education process as a negotiating strategy. This would be political suicide for any Board.

Keep in mind; I’m not against the profession of teaching. I simply believe that teachers should independently negotiate their wages based on their personal achievements. Teachers must be held accountable for their progress or lack there of.

Now you sound like a board member. "This would be political suicide." That's the problem with most board members. They suddenly start thinking of themselves as a politician. Excuse me, but have you ever seen Rick Rees or Rick Anderson? They aren't going to Washington anytime soon.

"Selecting administrators along with their negotiated salaries." Yes, that was a board responsibility and they failed miserably. Need we only remind the audience of the last three bust? Brown, Francisco, Staley? Would it be political suicide for the board to cut the salary? Of course not! In fact, the publc would applaud it!

Real Rotarian wrote:

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This is a flat out lie fabricated by someone posing as a Rotarian. I am a Rotarian and none of this is true. This is why all these postings for all of these articles are horrible journalism.

A "real rotarian" who won't state his or her name?
Are you Greg Einhorn? Or Kelly's latest?

American schools obsession with political correctness dictates that schools teach to the bottom instead of to the top , so it's no wonder results are poor . Wasting resources upon the unteachable is pointless except of course to the school system which is paid per pupil .

CUTA member wrote:

Now you sound like a board member. "This would be political suicide." That's the problem with most board members. They suddenly start thinking of themselves as a politician. Excuse me, but have you ever seen Rick Rees or Rick Anderson? They aren't going to Washington anytime soon.
"Selecting administrators along with their negotiated salaries." Yes, that was a board responsibility and they failed miserably. Need we only remind the audience of the last three bust? Brown, Francisco, Staley? Would it be political suicide for the board to cut the salary? Of course not! In fact, the publc would applaud it!

Let me remind you that Board Members are elected Officials, therefore, by definition, politicians. They must answer to the voting public. Who do you answer to? No one. That's what makes you so pompous and out of touch. It's amazing to me how you and the rest of your union members continuously question decisions by the School Board (regardless of District) without reservation. Board Members are the voice of the voting public. Yes, the same tax paying voting public who is responsible for paying your inflated salary. The problem, like I've stated, you don't have to answer to the voter or tax payer. Therfore, why should you care what we think? You don't. You're worse than a politician. You're a liar who has no requirement of accountability.

CUTA member wrote:

Would it be political suicide for the board to cut the salary? Of course not! In fact, the publc would applaud it!

That's for the public to decide on its own; not you. The teachers and their union are contracted to teach; not administer. Try doing your job and leave others to theirs. Once again, teachers are more interested in power within the system than providing students with a valid education. If this were the private sector, you would be fired and replaced with some one interested in doing the job they were hired to do.

You would pay a babysitter five bucks an hour per child, would you not?
I know of no teacher making 150 dollars per hour.
Oh, you want them to teach, too?
How much do you not want to pay for that?
Let's use the multi-child discount.
I will babysit 30 kids for 2.96/hr ea.
5 hours per day for 180 days per year.
I will teach them math for free!
Teachers are not the reason schools are broke!
Chico gets approx $5500 per child ...
$165,000 per classroom
Give the teacher half.
What TF are we spending the other $82,500 on?

A simple question for the teachers. For the most part, teacher love their tenure, They will argue tirelessly and aggressively how reasonable, fair and just the system is. Why then don't the same teachers grade their students based on the same ste of parameters? Why aren't students grades based soley on attendanct and years of participation? Why should a third grader who works his/her rear end off in an attempt to excell his/her studies receive an "A" or "Outstanding" grade while a seventh grader who simply shows up, disrupts other classmetes and basically screws around (not completing class requirements) gets a "D"? Both attended class. The seventh grader has been attending class for four more years than the third grader. Isn't the seventh grader, based on the rules of your beloved "tenure" entitled to the higher grade? Why wouldn't this grading system be fair and just? "That's different". Exactly.

82500 answers wrote:

You would pay a babysitter five bucks an hour per child, would you not?
I know of no teacher making 150 dollars per hour.
Oh, you want them to teach, too?
How much do you not want to pay for that?
Let's use the multi-child discount.
I will babysit 30 kids for 2.96/hr ea.
5 hours per day for 180 days per year.
I will teach them math for free!
Teachers are not the reason schools are broke!
Chico gets approx $5500 per child ...
$165,000 per classroom
Give the teacher half.
What TF are we spending the other $82,500 on?

Have you ever ran a sucessful business? Name one successful business that pays its employees 50% of its gross revenues. Have you ever heard of overhead costs? Operating costs? Payroll taxes? Depreciation? Who is to answer the phones? Who is to run the cafeteria? Who is to drive the busses? Who is to do the accounting? Who is to manage? Seems your little formula is missing a number of crucial variables.

No Place to Hide wrote:

A simple question for the teachers. For the most part, teacher love their tenure, They will argue tirelessly and aggressively how reasonable, fair and just the system is. Why then don't the same teachers grade their students based on the same ste of parameters? Why aren't students grades based soley on attendanct and years of participation? Why should a third grader who works his/her rear end off in an attempt to excell his/her studies receive an "A" or "Outstanding" grade while a seventh grader who simply shows up, disrupts other classmetes and basically screws around (not completing class requirements) gets a "D"? Both attended class. The seventh grader has been attending class for four more years than the third grader. Isn't the seventh grader, based on the rules of your beloved "tenure" entitled to the higher grade? Why wouldn't this grading system be fair and just? "That's different". Exactly.

Hey MORON tenured teachers get FIRED every year. If you want that grading system the get expelled and go to FAIR VIEW or any alternative school where you get A's for attending.

Principal Coruppt wrote:

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Hey MORON tenured teachers get FIRED every year. If you want that grading system the get expelled and go to FAIR VIEW or any alternative school where you get A's for attending.

Now there's an educated post. Why shouldn't the students get an "A" simply for attendance? Teacher's receive compensation based on attendance. Are you saying Fair View has a corrupt grading policy? I'm simply wondering, why the double standard?

Oh, can you name one tenured teacher employed by CUSD that has been fired within this school year?

You have no idea how it works.

Jo was fired this year. She had tenure.