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#24
Dec 1, 2009
 
Mom4reform, it sounds like I am lucky by comparison. By being brave and opening up to others, I've heard a lot of stories that people normally want to keep quiet out of shame. Not shame for their own actions, but shame for the negative attention and bullying that took place. It is important for us to share our stories, and I want to thank you. Only by revealing that the system is broken can we ever hope for improvements. I've also heard a similar story to yours, where the father admitted to the police that he molested his daughter, and still has never been arrested and has no DFS report against him. My case is one of just being bullied by one social worker, who also failed to investigate my in-laws, with whom we've had a long feud. They've been feuding with my wife and calling DFS on her since before I met her, because they want to hide the years of abuse that they are guilty of doing to her. DFS should investigate every vicious lie, but they should not take sides in these domestic trash talks, unless there is something to substantiate a claim. By ignoring my physical evidence against the in-laws, I feel that they have actually interferred with justice. By mis-quoting me, I feel that they have tampered with evidence. I can even see warning both sides that such a vindictive environment of trying to use the system for revenge is not suitable for raising children. In my case, DFS failed to record any physical evidence that we had against my in-laws, and decided to take sides. We already had a police report against my in-laws, so I guess DFS wanted to even the playing field by writing an unflattering report against my wife and me. What is really interesting is that our troubles are with a single social worker, because the police and a second social worker who actually spent some time with us found nothing wrong with our home. Still, it only takes one malicious social worker (Kelli Hodge) to cause you grief. I've also learned disturbing stories about DFS approved foster parents. DFS really doesn't seem to have any skill when it comes to conducting investigations. My wife actually works with one, who's own biological son was on the news recently for nearly killing a baby. This foster parent lives in a trailer as a single foster parent. She's never home because she works a lot, and her own son was having sex with one of her teenage foster kids. She used to freely call DFS on other people and say cold things, like you can let me take care of them and you can always come by to visit. After her son fractured a baby's skull and was on the news, DFS finally decided to investigate and took the foster children away from her. Clearly, something is wrong with the current system.
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#25
Dec 1, 2009
 
Whos watching you peoples kids while you lay around typing on this forum all day. Maybe dfs does need to step in and give you people some parenting classes.
St Louis MO

Saint Louis, MO

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#26
Dec 7, 2009
 
Jimmy, that is not a productive or mature response, and it is difficult to interpret your real concern. Being with the kids, working vs. not working? There are serious issues in these discussions. Please keep to the topics and don't say something just because it sounds good to you. Try to keep the logic sound, the discussion honest, and impersonal. Freedom of speech can be a powerful tool to shed some attention where it needs to be focused. I don't support big government, for the very reason, that I find it to be the greatest threat to my constitutional rights. I also feel that DFS has more than stepped over the line. The best and the brightest in this country usually don't take government jobs, so we shouldn't give them too much power to exert subjective judgments.
St Louis MO

Saint Louis, MO

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#27
Dec 7, 2009
 
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend those of you who work for the government. I stand by my statement as a generalization. I am aware that there are some organizations within the government which offer competitive salaries and do have top notch people. Most of them are in the defense industry. DFS isn't one of them. I'm also aware that politics are a burden that all people have to deal with in their jobs. While the FDA and EPA have some good people, the organizations are sometimes overly influenced by politics instead of sound scientific judgment. As an industrial scientist, I too have found myself forced by politics into gray zones of right and wrong, and have relied on ignorance to justify things to myself. Maybe this is why DFS doesn't want to conduct solid investigations to clear people or to incriminate them?
Corp

Macon, MO

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#28
Dec 8, 2009
 
Does anyone on this forum know if DFS has any job openings and if so where would I go to apply. Please let me know it seems like a great place to work.
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Saint Louis, MO

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#29
Dec 9, 2009
 
Corp, Tell me about it. If you work for DFS you are exempt from all of the laws that bind everyone else. Eventhough everyone here is describing the assholes within the organization, we should also try to encourage good people with morals and common sense to apply, so that we can squeeze out the incompetent. Apparently, the qualifications to be a social worker for DFS isn't too high, but that probably should change. The greater the responsibility and power that you grant someone, the more you should expect from them and the more credentials they should have to prove that they are worth the risk to hold that responsibility. Although, I have always found it humorous that to work in the defense industry, your credentials and background checks have to be far superior to that needed to become president of the US. The FBI even searches the background of your family members, but many presidents have had family members that they are less than proud of. Most of us do. DFS doesn't do too thorough of a background check. This discussion board has brought up some examples, and occassionally the news will report on a DFS social worker arrested for possession of child pornography. I guess that you can only be immune to the law for so long. Eventually, all of the bad one's will have to answer to someone. How many social workers do you expect to find in heaven?
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Saint Ann, MO

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#30
Dec 12, 2009
 
I understand the need for wanting justice....not only for those as victims, but also for those falsely accused. As a former investigator/social worker with DSS in Missouri, I will tell you that most of the workers do their jobs thoroughly and with professionalism. The thing most people don't realize is the fact that we are not law enforcement!!!!! More importantly we are not from the prosecuting attorney's office!!! We can substantiate and investigate claims all we want of child abuse and or neglect. However, whether or not law enforcement will even check into the case or ultimately if the prosecuting attorney wants to prosecute, has nothing to do with DSS! You have no idea how many times I personally have investigated and would stake my life on what a child abuser did, but LE and the PA did nothing!
Missouri social workers with DSS don't do it for the money! We do it to protect children!!!! Claiming that we get bonuses for taking children is utterly false and absolutely ridiculous!!! In fact, Missouri has remained at 49 or 50 out of 50 states as the lowest paid rate for social workers!
What I found in my 10 plus years of experience with the department is that people do not understand how difficult the job is or what exactly we do. They only choose to believe stories, false claims, and half truths that have come about thru the years. In addition, people also don't understand how our standards to substantiate an investigation of abuse does not have to come to meet the same standards as law enforcement on whether it is a criminal act or not.
St. Louis.....I don't know your circumstances, but even if law enforcement didn't take any action against you, it doesn't mean DSS didn't have enough to substantiate something against you.
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Saint Louis, MO

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#31
Jan 4, 2010
 
Let's just move. There seems to be too many stories about the police ignoring real crimes and innocent being abused by corruption within the system. Now that I've finally experienced some of this for myself, remind me again why the USA is so much better than everyone else? The Jefferson County police don't see anything wrong with things like child abduction or inappropriate sexual behavior around children, and the DFS system refuses to provide help to families in need. They only know how to run a child trafficing market. The stories are getting too numerous for me to get into details anymore. It's sickening. But, a job worth doing is worth doing well. Doing something half-assed usually makes things worse. If the government wants to baby sit everyone, then they need to just cross over that line and do it right. An organization run by fools and speculations isn't doing anyone any good. Fix the organization or get rid of it. Follow the constitution, conduct serious and thorough investigations, and make logical decisions based on solid evidence. Convict or prove innocent, but don't screw with people and their families.
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Macon, MO

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#32
Jan 5, 2010
 
St Louis MO wrote:
Let's just move. There seems to be too many stories about the police ignoring real crimes and innocent being abused by corruption within the system. Now that I've finally experienced some of this for myself, remind me again why the USA is so much better than everyone else? The Jefferson County police don't see anything wrong with things like child abduction or inappropriate sexual behavior around children, and the DFS system refuses to provide help to families in need. They only know how to run a child trafficing market. The stories are getting too numerous for me to get into details anymore. It's sickening. But, a job worth doing is worth doing well. Doing something half-assed usually makes things worse. If the government wants to baby sit everyone, then they need to just cross over that line and do it right. An organization run by fools and speculations isn't doing anyone any good. Fix the organization or get rid of it. Follow the constitution, conduct serious and thorough investigations, and make logical decisions based on solid evidence. Convict or prove innocent, but don't screw with people and their families.
Why dont you move to some third world countrie that really dosent care about you or your beliefs. If you or anyone else thinks that you have it bad in the usa get out. The usa is the greatest country in the world and if you people cant see that you dont deserve to live here. I love the red white and blue and I cant stand people that want to sit around at reap all the benefeits of living in a free country and then have the nerve to bad mouth it. If you think everything is so corrupt do something about it go to school get educated and run for sherrif or mayor or maybe a representitive but its alot better to just sit on your ass and complain about the greatest country in the world isnt it. Go to Iraq and get on the internet and bad mouth there country maybe they will put you up against a wall and shoot you for it thats what happens in other countries. Theres alot of things in this country that I maybe dont see eye to eye with but I would never put the united states down for nothing. Ive got a feeling that you dead beats would be complaining no matter where you were at or how great you had it. If half of you people would watch your kids instead of let them run wild you wouldnt have anything to complain about anyway. If you let your kid hang out at the neighbors who is a child molestor or you invite a child molestor over to your house and your kid gets molested where is your responsibility in parentinig your children you want the tax payers to take the responsability or the police I dont think so safety starts with you and if your having all of this trouble it sounds to me like your not doing your job as a parent. My oldest is 18 years old you no how much trouble Ive had with him and the law zero not one time because I am a good parent and I make sure my kid is safe you should try it.
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Kansas City, MO

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#33
Feb 4, 2010
 
St Louis that wrote this article, I would like to talk a little more about this. I understand where you are coming from. Not going to discuss on this forum as I sit and read negative comments from DFS workers and ex-workes. There is always an employee that does not always perform their job to the best of their capabilities. I understand standing up for their company but sometimespeople need to read the comments and figure out how they can improve the system or at least improve their job. Please email me at cookmsscck@aol.com
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#34
Oct 12, 2010
 
St Louis MO wrote:
My wife and I have been dealing with D.S.S. September. My 16 year old daughter went to the highschool counselor to complain about not having a drivers license or a cellular phone. The teachers and counselors today are trained to call D.S.S. over every little complaint just to be safe. They don't realize that social workers are trained to believe that for every complaint, there is something 1000 times worse going on. So, a social worker shows up and writes a completely false report on us. My daughter swears that she never made claims of sexual abuse, but the social worker is claiming such abuse. Eventhough there is no evidence, no arrest, and none of my three children have been taken away, they want to put me on a list. At the D.S.S. appeal, they wouldn't accept my wife's or daughter's testimonies that they did not make such claims, but the social worker says that they are liars. The appeal panel accepted the social worker's word over everyone else. A police officer that accompanied the social worker is even a witness on our side that the social worker (Kelli Hodge) has falsified the report. Still the battle goes on and they want to put me on a list based on lies. We did a background check on Kelli Hodge and found that she has used more than one social security number and has a medical history of migrains and head injuries. I'm prepared to go to the press and reveal the criminal history of Kelli Hodge and the injustice that has unraveled. Kelli should have never been given a job where she can do so much harm. Furthermore, Kelli doesn't have any qualifications. Our background check revealed that she was unemployed no more than 8 months prior to our case. Her grammar skills make it questionable whether she even has a highschool education.
You have no idea the horror that your life can become once the social workers in Missouri put your name on the child abuse list along side of convicted abusers. It's legal for Missouri Children services to destroy families by lies. I am living it. Kansas City African American ex-person ......It's hell the way they think they have your lives to play with.
In Missouri

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#35
Oct 12, 2010
 
I personally know that the state of Missouri hires anyone and have no idea what they do to families. Don't get your name on that list. It will destroy you. 10 years now I known someone in utter despair because she lives in Missouri and total strangers put her name on the Child abuse list which can prevent you from a lot of life things to create income. The intention is to destroy everyone. I know. Make sure your attorney isn't a drunk. He will not help and the bar association will never support you against attorneys like Ed Pendleton of Kansas City, Missouri, a drunk back in 2000 who took money and never defended his client. No career now, no jobs, no family. Death,,,,, to children services in Missouri. They only want death to families.
CGG

Saint Peters, MO

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#36
Nov 16, 2010
 
ST CHARLES MO IS WHERE A LOT OF THE CORRUPTION IS COMING FROM. IT IS OUTRAGEOUS.
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Dec 16, 2010
 

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All who have posted commnets. Do me a favor and call Lisa Drew area circuit manager and explain to here about the state of Missouri holding separate congressional hearings on the fusion centers and concentration camps in our state and around the country. The only reason we are not in the camps now is we have not given up our guns yet. The camps are not to live in as in the Japanese during WWII they are to exterminate us in order to reduce the poplulation. The evil banking families who run the UN and all the money on the planet need to reduce the popluation to control the planet for world domination.

MIAC report google. Means Missouri information Analysis center. Janet Napolitano says it's to collect info on homegrown terrorists. Collecting information on us if we are prolife, against the govt, or supporting third party candidates etc

Remember the only authority DFS has to come into your home is the marriage license. Don't let them in at all not even with the county sheriff. Be polite show them the real sovereign law which supports the constitution. No illegal search and seizure. Tell them the law. Rescind your marriage license and get a certificate of ceremony instead.

Best of days to you in your research.
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Jan 14, 2011
 

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If anyone needs to contact me to learn more about the law and the corporation system we are set up under, I can be reached at the following:

deborahjudge44@aol.com

I understand if cases are substantiated records are kept for ever according to some statute under 210. This is why it is important to know the law we live under. Because this dept of family services stuff is all illegal. We are no longer a United States FOR America under the sovereign constitution. These records need to be erased and the whole Dept of Family services needs to be dismantled especially the child abuse hot line.

We have a govt induced earth quake to look forward along the MIssippi River in Ark, ILL, Miss in the near future (maybe the computer records will be destroyed). This earth quake is along the Madrid fault line. Upon researching, call your area respresentative with the previoius websites and tell them to stop the Federal US corporation and other countries with their electromagnetic technology to knock of creating storms (Katrina) and earth quakes (Haiti, China,Indonesia) as well as telling one's local rep to clear your name @ DFS. Dan Brown and Paul Curtman are the only two Missouri state reps who know how the state and federal govts are designed.
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#41
Apr 8, 2011
 
DFS workers will lie, slant the truth, set unrealistic goals, and ask questions that when answered will be subject to the DFS workers SUBJECTIVE interpretation of the answers parents give. The goals are also SUBJECTIVE findings that DFS workers can decide on. DFS workers do NOT investigate anything. They go by what is reported to them. But remember, if they do lie and continue with that lie, try your best to get something in writing or recorded because then you have legal grounds against them. Also know that if they break their own policy rules they can be subject to investigation.
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Saint Joseph, MO

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#42
Apr 17, 2012
 
I have had horrible experiences with DFS. They lie, and come in to your home and treat you like a criminal even when there are no accusations or charges against you. I waa given my grandsons a few weeks ago due to parents being jailed. I told DFS that I thought they did not do their job because abuses have been reported and they totally disregard everything. My grandson is an emotional train wreck now. They come into my home and demand we do what THEY want, when THEY want, and have no regard for our rights at all. We are threatened that if we do not do as they demand they will snatch the grandkids out and place them in foster care. They have been making our lives miserable, and they call me at work, send me e-mails on my computer, show up at my home whenever they please, and do not mind waking me up during the day knowing full well I am a third shift worker. These people do not like it when you stand up to them, and I am sick of them abusing their power (or power they THINK they have anyway). They are treating my husband and I like criminals and I have never had so much as a speeding ticket. My husband has never been in any legal trouble either. When we tell them they are being too demanding and we are not given enough time to take care of the children, which is priority, they get mad. I have retained an attorney to get custody and guardianship of these children. As soon as the judge signs it I will happily tell any one of them that comes to my door to HIT BRICKS unless you have a warrant! The system is very broken and they need to dismantle it and start over. These so called social workers claim there are too many cases for each worker, yet there AT LEAST 5 that have been involved in this case!!! Overkill???? Like I said we took in the grandchildren, we are NOT the ones accused of neglect or abuse, even though they treat us like trash.
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#43
May 11, 2012
 
Are you kidding me? I have not met a caseworker or GAL yet that is not corrupt or had done what is i.e. the best interest of the child. They lie, they don't care about the children. I feel if you are defending them, you are either completely naive or a liar like they are. What a joke. You're doing it to protect children? Really? I'm disgusted. I don't know how you props sleep at night.
Ex worker wrote:
I understand the need for wanting justice....not only for those as victims, but also for those falsely accused. As a former investigator/social worker with DSS in Missouri, I will tell you that most of the workers do their jobs thoroughly and with professionalism. The thing most people don't realize is the fact that we are not law enforcement!!!!! More importantly we are not from the prosecuting attorney's office!!! We can substantiate and investigate claims all we want of child abuse and or neglect. However, whether or not law enforcement will even check into the case or ultimately if the prosecuting attorney wants to prosecute, has nothing to do with DSS! You have no idea how many times I personally have investigated and would stake my life on what a child abuser did, but LE and the PA did nothing!
Missouri social workers with DSS don't do it for the money! We do it to protect children!!!! Claiming that we get bonuses for taking children is utterly false and absolutely ridiculous!!! In fact, Missouri has remained at 49 or 50 out of 50 states as the lowest paid rate for social workers!
What I found in my 10 plus years of experience with the department is that people do not understand how difficult the job is or what exactly we do. They only choose to believe stories, false claims, and half truths that have come about thru the years. In addition, people also don't understand how our standards to substantiate an investigation of abuse does not have to come to meet the same standards as law enforcement on whether it is a criminal act or not.
St. Louis.....I don't know your circumstances, but even if law enforcement didn't take any action against you, it doesn't mean DSS didn't have enough to substantiate something against you.
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May 10, 2013
 
Dfs destroys your life and motherhood
quit making excuses

Waynesville, MO

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#45
May 24, 2013
 
if you dont like the usa then you can leave! the only people who complain about people who work for places such as dfs are those who in fact are violating the rights of children; and neglecting and abusing them! i have known MANY people who were wrongfully accused and had dfs called on them due to personal problems with others and they did not have any action taken against them because the Missouri DFS case workers did their jobs thoroughly and responsibly! and i know many people who did lose their children because they were not taking care of them and DFS did their job! yes, there may be some bad eggs out of the bunch but you cannot group them into a whole with the rest of the workers who TRULY AND DEEPLY care about those children

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