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#41
Jun 28, 2012
 
Tonights council meeting was a clear indication that this council can not efficently get business done because they are too childish and unprofessional. Several arguments over nothing broke out btwn CC and Bill and CC and Jack and CC and Art and well you get the picture. CC is at odds with everyone and therefore even if she had a cure for cancer and all it took was three votes she would not get it through. She is the problem and she needs to go. The lawsuit from the two captains was discussed in closed session but nothing was said in open. I have a copy and can say one thing for sure. The four suing are idiots and have no case. It is all BS and nothing but a smear tactic on the chief and others. The four are way wrong and I for one can not wait for the truth to come out. For example both Lundy and Rojas claim they were passed over for promotion and acting positions. FACT. You can't get promoted if you were never on the list. Rojas was never on captain list and Lundy never on lieutenant list. NEVER! That is a fact. In fact Lundy was off during the time four sergeants were made acting lieutenants so therefore it would be impossible for her to be made acting. FACT. Wilsey,who is suing along with Rojas, made Keller a acting captain. Why? Cause Keller was on the list and Rojas was not. FACT. McClure made Keller and Meadows acting captains. WHy? Cause they were the only two on the list. These are just a few facts that can be verified through H R department. I have many more but these few facts shoul set the tone for now to show these four are lying.
trrash talk

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#42
Jun 28, 2012
 
Thanks fo r the post settle down

latest on Stockton/ Bankruptcy
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06...

The (Stockton)council took additional action to reduce costs but still could not close a $26-million budget deficit.
It has ordered a stop to bond payments, slashed employee health and retirement benefits and adopted a day-to-day survival budget.

"We've been battling employees, retirees -- it's horrible," Vice Mayor Kathy Miller said of the vote that capped a months-long mediation process that failed to resolve issues among creditors, employees and the city. "They say we're heartless brutes. We're killers. They come in with their children and their grandmothers and their dogs. There are people in wheelchairs. The man with a brain tumor. It hurts.

"But what they don't grasp is they are a relative small minority with really luxurious benefits that outstrip what the average person earns working full time.
Those other people stop us in the grocery stores and the coffee shops and say thank you."
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#44
Jun 28, 2012
 
According to Bill last night, in between yelling, the city is doing just fine. No need for BK talk. In fact he said we will have a 2 million dollar reserve at the end of next fiscal year. They approved contruction of a new hotel last night (no cost to the city) after putting the applicant through complete hell. They all asked stupid question, trying to sound smart. CC even said they asked those questions cause the citizens are going to want to know. Jack pointed out to her that some of the stupid questions she was asking were on the application. Anyway. Settle Down on the BK trash talk.
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#45
Jun 28, 2012
 
Trash talk wrote:
Is ORG an ex memployee?
Org claimed that execss overtime was approved by the City Council
He was asked to post any agenda where it was approved by any City Council.
He has never backed up is apperantley false assertion.
Post up or shut up you two.
Then ORG claims he was ignorant of the law that requires all over budget expenditues to be approved by the Council.
Then he tries to say "that's the way we've always done it" (secret negotiations)
He would like to put all the blame on finance and City administrators- never the Fire Union.
Please have ORG read hisprior posts (most in other threads) to you if you will not take the time to read them yourself EX.
TT. What planet are you from. I never said there were secret meetings. Just the opposite. Meetings between Council persons, Citizens, Employees and Bargining Unit Leaders are all very appropriate and legal. All of the meetings occured at City Hall in the Council Office. Never did a meeting violate the Brown Act or any other law. I told you on these Blogs that for over two decades any overages in accounts were handled by City Admin, Finance and Fire Chief. In fact it has been common practice to move budgeted money that was not spent from one account and place it in anonther. This was under direction from City Admin. You Sir are the one that needs to be careful. You've made some pretty serious accusations that are not based on fact and you are asigning credit for quotes that have come from your over active imagination that you then tribute to others in your Rants. I have put very creditable information on this site and I do not deserve to be treated with utter disrespect by anyone, especially those who are suposed to be unbiased and have the Communities well being in mind. TT, I told you that if I was the MFA President I would pursue legal action against you. Then a second time I told you you had crossed the line and I was considering the same. It seems that your imagination gets the best of you and then with complete disregard of the facts or what was said, you add your own spin (to match your agenda) and spew your venom. Your poison is harming hard working Employee's of the City Of Montebello and not contributing one tenth of an ounce of help, towards a fix to the Cities mess. You should be ashamed of yourself! ORG
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#46
Jun 28, 2012
 
ORG wrote:
<quoted text>TT. What planet are you from. I never said there were secret meetings. Just the opposite. Meetings between Council persons, Citizens, Employees and Bargining Unit Leaders are all very appropriate and legal. All of the meetings occured at City Hall in the Council Office. Never did a meeting violate the Brown Act or any other law. I told you on these Blogs that for over two decades any overages in accounts were handled by City Admin, Finance and Fire Chief. In fact it has been common practice to move budgeted money that was not spent from one account and place it in anonther. This was under direction from City Admin. You Sir are the one that needs to be careful. You've made some pretty serious accusations that are not based on fact and you are asigning credit for quotes that have come from your over active imagination that you then tribute to others in your Rants. I have put very creditable information on this site and I do not deserve to be treated with utter disrespect by anyone, especially those who are suposed to be unbiased and have the Communities well being in mind. TT, I told you that if I was the MFA President I would pursue legal action against you. Then a second time I told you you had crossed the line and I was considering the same. It seems that your imagination gets the best of you and then with complete disregard of the facts or what was said, you add your own spin (to match your agenda) and spew your venom. Your poison is harming hard working Employee's of the City Of Montebello and not contributing one tenth of an ounce of help, towards a fix to the Cities mess. You should be ashamed of yourself! ORG
You may be giving him too much credit... He writes what Liarlari tells him to write, he is not able to come up with any logical and educated post on his own!
trash talk

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#47
Jun 28, 2012
 
Not secret meetings?
Did the Mayor call a special meeting?
Was there an agenda posted?
Was the Press invited?
Did the paper notice any meeting where overtime
was approved without City Counci approval?
Was the public allowed to comment?
The "back room" meetings you describe were "secret" to all but those invited to attend.
While informational and lobbying meetings are not illegal they are not legal to approve spending the publics money.
Some would say a conspiricy to avoid having to have a regular agenda item and a public "on the record" vote.
"That's the way we always did it" is no defense, neiother is using the accounts in a shell game.
trash talk

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#48
Jun 28, 2012
 
settle down
I do not beleive Mr Rose colored glasses.
Too Many expenses are not budgeted
Paying off the CRA loans,(baloon payment coming up)
the Hilton management debt,
Retired Employee Health care
refunding the self insurence fund
The fire department flyer shows how much
$30,000,000-$60,000,000 "borowed" and "moved around in the kind of "shell games" ORG was involved with.
Who were the other participant ORG?
trash talk

Monterey Park, CA

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#49
Jun 28, 2012
 
settle down
at the time of the 15 officer suit against Weast one of the claimants claimed discrimination eventhough they had not even taken the test required to get on the list
However in Montebello, not just PD, there has been a long history of favoritism, racism, sexism, cliques, etc.
Agree that this group should not be allowed to take advantage of this sad fact since at one time they were on the other side.
What goes around comes around.
No reflection on McClure but it would have been better without a "sponsored" Chief.
Ther are many tough questions for Wilsey and Dragoo if the City has the guts to ask where the bodies are buried.
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#50
Jun 28, 2012
 
trash talk wrote:
Not secret meetings?
Did the Mayor call a special meeting?
Was there an agenda posted?
Was the Press invited?
Did the paper notice any meeting where overtime
was approved without City Counci approval?
Was the public allowed to comment?
The "back room" meetings you describe were "secret" to all but those invited to attend.
While informational and lobbying meetings are not illegal they are not legal to approve spending the publics money.
Some would say a conspiricy to avoid having to have a regular agenda item and a public "on the record" vote.
"That's the way we always did it" is no defense, neiother is using the accounts in a shell game.
Your master has played the shell game for years! Do you want an invite to the closed meetings where the council discusses sensitive city issues? If you feel that you are that important, make your request next meeting.... Better yet, when your MASTER is exiled, you can take his place. You are his puppet already, might as well go all the way!
trash talk

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#52
Jun 28, 2012
 
Ex Montebello Firefighter
Your Paranoia is showing
Not everything is about MFD
try and stay on topic
or better yet
read before you post
settle down

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#53
Jun 28, 2012
 
trash talk wrote:
settle down
at the time of the 15 officer suit against Weast one of the claimants claimed discrimination eventhough they had not even taken the test required to get on the list
However in Montebello, not just PD, there has been a long history of favoritism, racism, sexism, cliques, etc.
Agree that this group should not be allowed to take advantage of this sad fact since at one time they were on the other side.
What goes around comes around.
No reflection on McClure but it would have been better without a "sponsored" Chief.
Ther are many tough questions for Wilsey and Dragoo if the City has the guts to ask where the bodies are buried.
You are correct. What comes around goes around. These four are certainly in for a big surprise. Everything that they are caliming can be easily disputed and in the end my guess is they will be forced to drop the suit because people will come out with the truth. For example one plantiff is claiming he was put in a "dead end" assignment. The truth of the matter is he was taken off shift work, 12 hour days, weekends, and holidays and assigned a position with weekends and holidays off. He was put in a position to create a new division of the police department that never exsisted. This is a dream spot not only because of the nice work hours but for advancement. He can now put on his resume that he was responsible for creating a new division within the PD including creating a budget and policy. That is huge. No one else can say that there. How do I know? It was discussed at a council meeting by the transit director who said she and the lieutenant including the chief were very excited to get this project off the ground. I say, since he is so upset that he be placed back on shift work immeadiately. What a loooser! As for Dragoo and Wilsey? They claim they were responsible for issuing over 14 internal investigations. Wow! that must make them proud that while they were in charge they had all kinds of staff allegidly messing up. In fact they fired two officers during their time in charge. Guess what? Both of those officers got their jobs back. my guess is Wilsey and Dragoo did not do their jobs. I will keep on top of this story and expose these four for what they are. I am requesting information on how many of those 14 they investigated were minorities. I will get back to you all.
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#54
Jun 28, 2012
 
trash talk wrote:
Ex Montebello Firefighter
Your Paranoia is showing
Not everything is about MFD
try and stay on topic
or better yet
read before you post
Are you that dumb? Didn't you post about shell games? I responded to your post.... Brainiac!
Trash talk

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#55
Jun 29, 2012
 
I post about BK or the Teachers Union or the SEIU and your paranoia turns everypost into MFD or Bill.
Please get some help.
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#56
Jun 29, 2012
 
Trash talk wrote:
I post about BK or the Teachers Union or the SEIU and your paranoia turns everypost into MFD or Bill.
Please get some help.
Your past history is what brings this...
Trash talk

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#57
Jun 29, 2012
 
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06...

The bankruptcy comes on the heels of three months of state-mandated mediation. An entourage of Wall Street bankers, city attorneys, union representatives and other creditors held private meetings in Sacramento to wrangle over Stockton's fate.

The new law guiding such mediation, designed to help forestall municipal bankruptcy or speed recovery if talks fail, guarantees confidentiality as financial cards are laid on the table and blame is analyzed.

But a bankruptcy judge could soon lift the gag order, allowing participants to speak about which entities held out and which bargained in good faith.
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#58
Jun 29, 2012
 
Op-ed: If Stockton is broke, then why not California?
http://www.sgvtribune.com/opinions/ci_2009842...

... it would be wrong to believe that the troubles in the city of almost 300,000 residents in the agricultural San Joaquin Valley are not necessarily a sign of things to come in more upscale municipalities across the state

Unfortunately, the financial mess in Stockton echoes problems throughout California, even though public-sector union leaders and Democratic state legislators are in denial about this reality.

In cities as affluent and diverse as San Jose and San Diego, municipal finances are hitting the wall, driven by unsustainable pension debt and health-care promises made to government workers during more flush economic times.

The Stockton police union,... is sure there's some secret fund of money somewhere. Like most California unions, it refuses to recognize the state of affairs driven by the pension and health-care benefit upgrades they succeeded in attaining, mostly in the past decade.

Instead of working toward reform, California's unions and their political allies are trying to stop every possible relief valve short of huge tax increases.

The state's pro-union forces aren't content slowing the bankruptcy process.
They are committed to halting any serious reforms that would keep cities from reaching that last-ditch process.

Not only are the unions gearing up for a campaign fight, but they allege that the very act of placing a pension-related voter initiative on the ballot is an "unfair labor practice."

Such harassment is reflective of a union movement uninterested in constructive reform.

Fortunately, a superior court judge nixed that idea, but it shows the lengths to which unions will go to stop reform, not to mention their undemocratic mindset.

In San Jose, Democratic Mayor Chuck Reed is part of a growing movement of progressives who realize that without pension reform every other city service is in peril.
Relying on a city charter provision that sets only minimum benefit levels for city employees, Reed is pushing something that the state's good-government Little Hoover Commission says is necessary - cuts in benefits for current workers

The answer is that the state's legislators are so beholden to public sector unions that they are oblivious to the financial meltdown all around them and aren't about to do anything before more cities' finances hit the wall.

The unfunded liabilities are so large that it's unlikely that an economic rebound will correct a problem long in the making.
Even when the economy was doing well, legislators continued to increase benefits beyond the ability of taxpayers to pay for them.

Writing in the Bee, Stanford professor Joe Nation, a former Democratic assemblyman, argued that "from Stockton to San Diego, government pension costs are crushing local governments."

The article explained: "Based on economic and finance standards used everywhere except in the public pension world, the top 24 independent pension systems are collectively $136 billion in debt and have only 54 cents for every dollar they owe.

In nearly every municipality, employee pensions are being prioritized over libraries, parks, street maintenance, health care and public safety."
Theolona Ranger

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#59
Jun 30, 2012
 
"expensive government meant large amounts of public employees with economic packages negotiated when things were good."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-brodsky...

Many municipalities have intentionally avoided the hard choices that arise when recurring revenues are less than recurring expenses.

There's been an explosion of borrowing to pay for current expenses, gimmicks like the sale of assets or advances on next years taxes and aid payments, failure to make payments for pension obligations, tax cuts without service reductions, the list goes on.
These are choices made by municipal leaders of both parties and now, as we knew would happen, the day of reckoning is at hand.

The state and federal governments pretend there's no problem.
It's not just that everyone's been cutting financial assistance to localities, it's that there isn't even a serious inquiry into the extent of the problem and what it means for the daily lives of Americans.

The reductions in aid are not going to stop,
no matter who wins in November.

Public employees have been thrust into the spotlight, and understandably so.
The expenditure side of the problem has to be part of the discussion.
Often, rather than figure out how to get through these messes with the least damage, there's been a stony refusal to come to the table.
And in political terms public sector unions have been convenient and frequent targets, with the very notion of collective bargaining for American public workers under challenge.
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#60
Jul 1, 2012
 
What a shame it is that Christina represents the women of Montebello. She has no class or civility when she tells Councilman Hadjinian "let's take it outside". so embarrassing and she couldn't even answer the question when he asked what her vision of Montebello was.
Theolona Ranger

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#61
Jul 1, 2012
 
Christina compare with Rosie and Kathy???
ORG

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#62
Jul 1, 2012
 
trash talk wrote:
Not secret meetings?
Did the Mayor call a special meeting?
Was there an agenda posted?
Was the Press invited?
Did the paper notice any meeting where overtime
was approved without City Counci approval?
Was the public allowed to comment?
The "back room" meetings you describe were "secret" to all but those invited to attend.
While informational and lobbying meetings are not illegal they are not legal to approve spending the publics money.
Some would say a conspiricy to avoid having to have a regular agenda item and a public "on the record" vote.
"That's the way we always did it" is no defense, neiother is using the accounts in a shell game.
The MFA was just asked to help educate different Mayors and Council persons over the years on how the Fire Department operates. City Admin and Council gave direction to the Fire Chiefs on how to handle the Budget. The MFA in the early 90's started ringing the warning bells on the Budgetary shell games that always showd a Ballenced budget. Bill was and still is the biggest problem in that he refuses to allow the truth to come out about the real state of the Cities finances. He is the biggest proponent of the shell game. It's speech #22 we have all heated it sooooo many times. "Montebello is on the verge of an economic boom" This is vet age Bill. It's safe to say that the Councils over the last 15 years or longer have participated in the shell game and hiding any budget problems. The problem is if you as a City employee brought any of this foreward you would loose your job! Plus the Nrwspapers feared bringing things to light as well. Why? When they did Bill would get his goon squad on the phones and tie up the news room phone lines thus productivity went into the hole. ORG

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