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Anamouse

Redondo Beach, CA

#675 Dec 14, 2011
Fried_Eggs wrote:
Firefighters, Police Officers, EMT's, and Teachers should all be paid more than they are.
Which ones?

Many like private school teachers don't make all that much, or have great benefits including pension plans to die for, but I also notice that many of them still do a great job and their are long lines of people willing to do their jobs at those pay rates. Tell me why anyone should pay them more, if what private school teachers already get paid, is usually enough to get the job done well?

Firefighters in many parts of the country are all volunteer, and even though they aren't as effective as full time firefighters, they do manage to keep their communities safe enough to satisfy the communities they live in. Tell me, why should they pay them if they can get enough qualified volunteers for FREE?

Police aren't anything special, and I see lots of folks who volunteered to do similar jobs in the military under far worse conditions, with much greater risk to their own lives for far less. I suspect that many would gladly do police work for far less if we let them and I suspect that most are just as well qualified to deal with police work as the police we already have. so tell me, why should we pay more?

EMT's, what's so special about them? And why should we pay more when there are dozens of qualified applicants fighting it out to get the jobs that do open up, because they think the pay is FANTASTIC? I'd say lower the pay offer until it gets hard to attract and retain the type of people who can do those jobs well.
Movie director

Pasadena, CA

#676 Dec 15, 2011
Fried_Eggs wrote:
Firefighters, Police Officers, EMT's, and Teachers should all be paid more than they are.
More like fried brain.
NY News

Los Angeles, CA

#677 Mar 26, 2012
There’s another “disabled” FDNY retiree who’s off to the races — NASCAR Cliff.
Cliff Stabner, a 55-year-old city firefighter who retired in 2003 with a three-quarter disability pension of $95,000 annually, has surfaced as a member of the fire rescue team responding to crashes at Dover International Speedway in Delaware.
The Post has obtained photos of Stabner wearing an orange jumpsuit and a helmet and standing next to a rescue vehicle at Dover’s “Monster Mile’’ track.
Stabner also is a fire captain in his quaint new hometown of Lewes, Del.
He’s even been seen climbing roofs.
Stabner’s vigorous post-retirement activities are reminiscent of those of John “Johnny Lungs” McLaughlin, the retired FDNY firefighter from Long Beach, LI, who left the department with a disability pension after being diagnosed with bronchial ailments — and then competed in numerous marathons and decathlons.
Stabner is believed to have obtained his disability pension — which is 25 percent more than a regular pension — based on lung-related issues. He was overweight at the time, which may have been a factor, said a source familiar with Stabner’s case.
Unions Rock

AOL

#679 Mar 26, 2012
NY News wrote:
There’s another “disabled” FDNY retiree who’s off to the races — NASCAR Cliff.
Cliff Stabner, a 55-year-old city firefighter who retired in 2003 with a three-quarter disability pension of $95,000 annually, has surfaced as a member of the fire rescue team responding to crashes at Dover International Speedway in Delaware.
The Post has obtained photos of Stabner wearing an orange jumpsuit and a helmet and standing next to a rescue vehicle at Dover’s “Monster Mile’’ track.
Stabner also is a fire captain in his quaint new hometown of Lewes, Del.
He’s even been seen climbing roofs.
Stabner’s vigorous post-retirement activities are reminiscent of those of John “Johnny Lungs” McLaughlin, the retired FDNY firefighter from Long Beach, LI, who left the department with a disability pension after being diagnosed with bronchial ailments — and then competed in numerous marathons and decathlons.
Stabner is believed to have obtained his disability pension — which is 25 percent more than a regular pension — based on lung-related issues. He was overweight at the time, which may have been a factor, said a source familiar with Stabner’s case.
The Unions really have it made. Lifeguards who play video games most the year in CA retire in their early 50's with $100,000 plus per year tax slave funded pensions plus free health care. There is no better RACKET than the extortion that public employees are pulling off on their neighbors.
The Devils Partnership between the Dem politicians and the unions make Al Capone look like an amateur.

One thing is sure, ANY non Union person who votes for ANY Democratic politicians these days is a FOOL.
Firefighter

San Diego, CA

#680 Mar 26, 2012
Unions Rock wrote:
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The Unions really have it made. Lifeguards who play video games most the year in CA retire in their early 50's with $100,000 plus per year tax slave funded pensions plus free health care. There is no better RACKET than the extortion that public employees are pulling off on their neighbors.
The Devils Partnership between the Dem politicians and the unions make Al Capone look like an amateur.
One thing is sure, ANY non Union person who votes for ANY Democratic politicians these days is a FOOL.
It's not a "racket". We firefighters risk our lives every day for you clowns, and have to put up with abuse from the general public as well! We deserve every penny that we get.
Hey now

Chatsworth, CA

#681 May 15, 2012
I see lots of female cops. Not so many female firefighters. What are the numbers?
oldbrown

Reno, NV

#682 May 15, 2012
Hey now wrote:
I see lots of female cops. Not so many female firefighters. What are the numbers?
You've got a computer so do some research yourself rather than asking someone on this forum to do it for you.
anonymous california

Hillsboro, OH

#683 Nov 15, 2012
Salaries ... fair or not fair?

This can be argued all the way to one end and all the way back again and then 'some' regarding a lot of occupations. Taxpaying occupations, that is.

The U.S. economy (i.e. financial system) is capitalism. It's based on the private sector. The U.S. political structure is supposedly based on that private sector too. We the people. The invisible hand? Suppy and demand. Every vote counts? The 'haves' and the 'have nots'. Never being able to get a leg up because the 'cost of living' keeps going up to offset wages earned.

Communist and socialist countries have long accused the U.S. of being ran and controlled by small clans that keep the masses hoping that hard work will pay off eventually someday.

A quick look at the state of the union ...

A national debt escalating into the trillions.

Bound to foreign fuel sources (Middle East).

And now a VERY likely war in the Middle East between Israel and Iran that will undoubtedly shoot up the price of gasoline.

In massive debt to China.

Welfare and insurance and social security fraud.

Enter the G.W. Bush money handout.

Enter Obama, who may be well-meaning based on his own right based on his personal experiences in life, wanting to make universal healthcare a reality and wanting to tax the rich, all with emphasis on helping the middle class.

May God bless those who really need it.

Some argue that the U.S. is becoming more socialistic everyday.

Congress in tax-and-spend mode, looking more and more each day like a dog chasing its tail in a never ending circle.

Dismantling the military defense and readiness like Romney's Bain Capital shredding a unprofitable business.

States are petitioning to secede the Union, ala 'The South Will Rise Again'? The Declaration of Independence' does grant us the right to DEMAND that our government, when out of control, be reigned in and muzzled.

They say hindsight is 20/20. So I want to ask ...

Did we make a wrong turn or take a detour somewhere along our great republic's history in regard to the way we flow the money?

I have heard it said by a expert on history that the Federal Reserve System is unconstitutional. We are the greatest country in the history of the known world. Once, and hopefully still are, the desire of the world for foreign lands to send their 'huddled masses yearning to be free' through legal immigration. The reason the pilgrims came here in the first place, on the Mayflower, was to escape the long arm of England taxing the [BLEEP] out of them. To quote the 'good book', "The love of money is the root of all evil".

Why are we in such a bureaucratic mess over MONEY ?!

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