Drug violence: Thomason lockdown a chilling sign

malamute wrote:

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Well your other post could have fooled me. It seemed all about "blame the USA". No blame for the greedy corrupt Mexicans whose lust for money got them into the violence of the drug cartels. No blame for the music industry of Mexico that has promoted the narco corrida music which glorifies the drug cartels and the traffickers, and no blame for the people of Mexico who go along with all of it -- and admire the drug lords.
Blaming the victim -- the addict -- isn't the answer. The Mexican traffickers even get these drugs into the middle schools of America -- to get kids addicted at a very young age before they can make decisions, going so far as to disguise methamphetamine as candy.
You reap what you have sown. Now Mexico is reaping the bloody harvest. We need to close the border -- let Mexico do what it wishes with the drugs that pile up.

Knock Around Guy wrote:

"Close down the Border? Humm? Bie geth ein berliner!, Mr. Gorvachev, tear down this wall!!, rings a bell?, if this happens Then I'll be an 'illegal' crossing to visit my family in Mexico, you've won! oh!, maybe I should renounce them for accidently being born in that Drug infested, drug producing, corupt country!,anyway,--Dios lo bendiga y le de mas -- Best wishes -- your Mexican "Amigo"
Your trying to relate a border wall in the US with the Berlin wall shows your ignorance of history. The Berlin wall was built by a communist regime attempting to stop its own citizens from fleeing to freedom. For the analogy to work - mexico would have to a) build the wall and B0 Care if its citizens left.
The reality is the Mexican government wants their citizens to flee to the US so the US provides the basic services and the illegals send home their us dollars.
Read a book sometime and actually think about what you read

Family both Juarez EPT wrote:

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The analogy was made of building bridges not building walls in any case you belive what you want, it's a free country.
PS: please recomend me what book to read on the Berlin wall, please don't paste opinions from the web, that's so overrated! and lazy

MAD wrote:

Mayor Cook is in the books. He's on the payroll. I'm sure he sold us out. Maybe it wasn't about the money and about he and his family's life. This is serious business. With our manpower and technology it has been increasingly more difficult to traffic the drugs across. Once the drugs are across someone is soon to get bused. We are too smart of a Country and the only option is to bribe officials with money or their life.

Knock Around Guy wrote:

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Question 1 - Believe what I want? What is this in reference to. Are you arguing why the Berlin wall was built?
Questions 2 - other than pasting YOUR posting, what did I paste from the web?
Books you can read:
The Berlin Wall: Barrier to Freedom (Snapshots in History) by Michael Burgan
The Berlin Wall by Thomas Flemming and Hagen Koch
The Wall: Growing Up Behind the Iron Curtain (Caldecott Honor Book) by Peter Sis
To Save a City: The Berlin Airlift 1948 - 1949 by Roger G. Miller
I've read them all

Family both Juarez EPT wrote:

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Question 1: Ans. it was an analogy of building walls not bridges, you seem educated, check wahat is an analogy
Question 2: Ans. I just posted "the Berlin Wall" on the Web and it gave me the same books you list, wow! ain't that a coincidence (so overrated), anyway, any lessons learned about building walls after all those books?
PS:The Berlin Wall was built more as a political statement (oh I forgot you already knew that!), also wasn't this about Thomason Hospital in El Paso?

Knock Around Guy wrote:

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You bought up the Berlin Wall as some convoluted logic as to why we should not build a border wall - not me.
As for searching the web for books - I am sure you found others as well, I limited my list to those I had read as part of my Master's work in History.
Ask anyone who lived behid the wall (in east germany) if it was only a political statement. Perhaps those killed trying to get over the wall might disagree

Family both Juarez EPT wrote:

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Please define "Typical American citizen" White Anglo Saxon Protestant?, Hispanic, Asian Afro?, do I have family in Juarez, yes sir, do I speak spanish yes sir!(I also speak other languajes does that ofend you!), Some of you so called -- typical American citizens belive drugs from only your naive points of view not foucusing this is share problems, not only U.S. and Mexico have this problem, but some 'patriotic americand like yourself (that wave the flag in front of evreybody) belive that all of what you describe dosen't happen in the rest of the world!, Narco corridos are a shame and have been banned by Secretaria de Governacion in Mexico, Has the FCC done the same with glamorizing Gang drug music!
PS: Corruption is alll over just ask halie burton oh, wait our goverment never lies to us?, Am I still a Typical American citizan or just so called for stating this opinion?-- Dios lo Bendiga --

malamute wrote:

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Typical American citizen = one who is not working in Mexico as a Mexican police commander or other Mexican official. Answ.: then I'm not a typical American citizen who served his country in Iraq with Iraqi officials (Iraqi police and community engineers)

Narco corridas is the most popular music with Mexicans. Not too difficult to know what those songs are about and what they glorify. Jefe de jefes, pacas de kilo, and so on and so on.
Answ.: Not true right now 'pasito Duranguense' is this form of music derives actually from Polkas and not necesaraly a Narco Corrida. Narco corridas have been banned and are not allowed in Radio stations (need to know a little bit betteryou neighboors), Gang Music and Glamorizing gangs in the States are not banned by FCC, maybe from a local station, maybe not but not from Federal gov'mt.

And if Mexicans had such strong family values, why are they leaving their kids behind when they're deported or when they sneak over the borders and why are they dealing hard drugs to children? Same situation can be said abou some 'typical american Citizen' weather Caucasian, Anglo, Afro or hispanic when they get stoned and go to jail and don't care about their children, this has to be at in indivitual level and not hide under a 'victim shield' or pointing the finger to another place (How many lives were and are being lost in Iraq because of blaming them directly for the search for weapons of mass destruction, have family in Iraq, pray for them!)

Drugs have brought in a lot of money to Mexico (and to the U.S.) but also this money lust is destroying Mexico (and our nation too). Why should any American want this drug violence spilling over the border? Answ.:We don't!(Oh sorry, I'm not a typical American citizen!)

In Mexico they go into hospitals and assassinate patients (True!!)-- and if we keep this up, we're going to see the same thing being done here.,Question: So do we help Mexico or bomb it!,

It's sad going to a foreign country seeing the missery of a nation weather on the other side of the world or right next door and blaming evreyone and evreything for not having a typical 'American way of life' or not trying to be an 'typical american citizen

malamute wrote:

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Typical American citizen = one who is not working in Mexico as a Mexican police commander or other Mexican official.
Narco corridas is the most popular music with Mexicans. Not too difficult to know what those songs are about and what they glorify. Jefe de jefes, pacas de kilo, and so on and so on.
And if Mexicans had such strong family values, why are they leaving their kids behind when they're deported or when they sneak over the borders and why are they dealing hard drugs to children?
Drugs have brought in a lot of money to Mexico but also this money lust is destroying Mexico. Why should any American want this drug violence spilling over the border?
In Mexico they go into hospitals and assassinate patients -- and if we keep this up, we're going to see the same thing being done here.