Billerica bylaw bounced

Bingo wrote:

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The pen mightier than the sword. Well you got that one right.
I'll put you down as Billericas Boston Globe. Unlike Joe Friday you don't care about facts as long as you use the keyboard to convince the readers that you know whats best.
There's the old saying those that can't do, teach.
There could also be a saying, there are those that talk, and those that act, I'll put you down as a talker.

Bingo's got no balls-o

Rick from Billerica wrote:

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OK???

You are also right there is a movement to get rid of Town Meeting.

If you look who is proposing the change in government, it is the unions, town employees and special interests.

The reason is simple they cannot control Town Meeting with 240 members.

Last year Billerica had the dubious honor of having the Board of Selectman made up of two town employees and another selectman that was in the bag for the unions. This was unprecidented in Massachusetts

It sure is easier to finance a person running for Town Counsil and take control of two seats, than 240 overseeers of the government.

Are many Towm Meeting members sensitive to those that have no clue, yet criticise Town Meeting YES. Most Town Meeting members take their civic duty serious, get off their duff and spend about 12 nights a year to learn about the town and work hard to make it better.

When people like you that sit in the cheap seats expound views that are uneducated (ETAs etc) some of us do get mad.

Weeks ago you said you paid your dues inn the Navy. Maybe if you consider all your responsibilties as a citizen were paid in full by your service, you may want to forgo taking the pension you receive and all the benefits given to miltary retires. Many people that served are Town Meeting members, too bad so many veterans choose to get in the cheap seats.

Did you know that no Veteran is on the BOS, hasn't been one for years. In my opinion veterans have a bigger responsibilty in the civilian world they owe it to their fellow servicemen that never made it home. We should act to pay respect to them by getting involved and protecting what they gave the supreme sacrifice for.

The sad part is the way our country is headed. Think for one minute if those that fought in WWII could see what has happened to the country they fought and died for, I have no doubt a tear would come to their eye.

We are headed in this direction because the vast majority of citizens, have your attitude let someone else do it, I'll sit in the cheap seats and throw bombs

You see it your way. I see it mine. If you think a veteran should run for BOS; then, run for the seat yourself. Can't you afford more than 12 nights a week? The view that the responsibility of a TM member is limited to meetings alone explains a lot about why things never get changed or accomplished here.

If the TM members took their jobs seriously, the investment would be much more aggressive and scholarly.

As to my "paying my dues", I never said that. I responded to your demand for me to sacrifice myself to the town in a manner of your choosing by stating that I've already given 20 years of service and any more that I choose to give will be on my terms.

If you knew anything about rational egoism or Objectivism, you would know that we believe that no person should be forced to serve another; no do we expect others to serve us.

Your sermon on "let someone else do it" is a bit of the pot calling the kettle black isn't it?

No one died and appointed me savior; you are as qualified as I am to hold a seat if that is what you choose do to. I choose to serve the community my way which also allows me to enjoy the other aspects of my life to their fullest. I live for no man and ask no man to live for me.

The sooner we end the "collective" mentality, the better off we and our nation will be. I'd rather stand with a handfull of individualist than a country full or weak willed collectivist serving their master.

So, I take it that you are willing to admit that obtaining an ETA designation is really no more than a clerical duty? Nothing against Bill Greene as a person, but you only get to wear the "Hero Medal" that you earn. I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate you pinning this one on him either. To do so is a disservice to everyone.

As to govenment by TM or Town Council; a vote out of ignorance or a vote for money equal the same result - BAD! If Town Meeting is the better way to go; let them prove it by actually accomplishing something. To date, all one has to do is look around and see that the entire system has been nothing short of a dismal failure.

Like many other people, I'm running on borrowed time. Most likely, any change for the better will have no effect on me personally, but I'll do what I can to help others, but I'll do it my way.
Have a fabulous life.

Rick from Billerica wrote:

So, I take it that you are willing to admit that obtaining an ETA designation is really no more than a clerical duty? Nothing against Bill Greene as a person, but you only get to wear the "Hero Medal" that you earn. I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate you pinning this one on him either. To do so is a disservice to everyone.

Rick everytime you post you show your iqnorance about issues.

The ETA designation was a legislative action brought by Bill Greene fought for by Bill Greene and won by Bill Greene.

Was this a small victory NO, ask any town like Burlington that was refused the designation, Burlington came hat in hand to Billerica begging us to lend them our designation. We did and thousands of jobs were brought to the valley.

You stated what has Greene done, well alot. You say Greene did nothing with 40bs. That shows how out of touch you are. Greene is considered the leader in the House to change 40b. The only problem he has is Special Interests are rampant and the urban legislators think the Billericas and other towns be damned.

You either have the votes or you don't. That is why you should care enough to join Town Meeting, you could be one of the votes to make change. Instead you choose to sit in the cheap seats.

Again, his proposed 40b legislation can't even get to committee; by definition, then, his efforts have been FAILURES.

Show me where obtaining ETA designation is anything more than routine clerical duties and I will admit I'm wrong and make an apology.

Show me that his 40b legislation is actually up for discussion, let alone enacted, and I'll admit I'm wrong.

Until you do either of these, you have zero credi bility except with the morons who follow you like arse sniffing puppies.

Now, go to your time out corner for misbehaving with adults

Rick from Billerica wrote:

Again, his proposed 40b legislation can't even get to committee; by definition, then, his efforts have been FAILURES.
Show me where obtaining ETA designation is anything more than routine clerical duties and I will admit I'm wrong and make an apology.
Show me that his 40b legislation is actually up for discussion, let alone enacted, and I'll admit I'm wrong.
Until you do either of these, you have zero credi bility except with the morons who follow you like arse sniffing puppies.
Now, go to your time out corner for misbehaving with adults

We are making progress here, at least you no longer say Economic Target Areas are Corporate Welfare.

You also give in that Greene, may have tried to get 40b changed.

BTW, balls are when good people care enough to get involved. What you do is pitiful, egotistical drival.

You put down anyone that takes the time and cares, while you give out uninformed speculation and criticism of the State Rep, the Selectman and Town Meeting members yet sit in the cheap seats. Not bad for a guy that has all the answers, but never takes the time to work where his answers could get the test of a vote and maybe help to make our community.

You take two minutes read some article, and think you know all about ETAs. You haven't or won't take the time to look when Billerica Town Meeting accepted the ETA program or the companies Town Meeting accepted into the program and the jobs created.

It's just easy to say corporate and union welfare, how sad.

You say Greene does nothing to change 40b yet you never contacted some of the leading 40b detractors and ask them. Well I have, and Bill Greene is consideered one the leaders. Again views from the cheap seats are pretty bad.

You can end this whole discussion by saying you will actually go somewhere that can put into effect your ideas.

All you have to say is, you will seek election to Town Meeting. Depending on your precinct you may even be able to partake in the Fall Town Meeting. At that time the budget will be adjusted and many cuts made.

Then again you just love the cheap seats. They are so comfortable and you can continue to throw uneducated bombs.

Bingo Stated:

We are making progress here, at least you no longer say Economic Target Areas are Corporate Welfare.

I STATED: WRONG...Actually, the ETA does not require funds. It is a designation; step one of a three step process to get funds. When the programs reaches the phase of a Certified Project; then funds are distributed and strings to those funds are attached by the State.

At that point for the next 10 years, minimum, we the taxpayers get to write a check; so that uneducated, unskilled and otherwise marginally employable people too inept to keep themselves employed without nanny State assistance can get jobs. You know, people like you and your union buddies and fellow government hacks who did nothing to prepare for a changing economy.

What are the strings? The most heinous is the one where a company must guarantee job creation and expansion over a 10 year period, irrespective of how bad the economy is or will become. Now imagine yourself as an employeer in November of this year. You can look the rest up for yourself, you lazy and incompetent moron.

Since it is primarily union run plants that drive businesses into the ground or out of the country/state; it is primarily union workers who benefit. So, the majority of American workers are paying your bills and the bills of these incompetents, just as we do the bills of welfare recipients, criminals, and people too lazy to go to work when they have a job. You keep good company, my friend. Except for the you part, THAT is what I've stated. But, if the shoe fits, wear it.

BINGO STATED:...You also give in that Greene, may have tried to get 40b changed.

I STATED:...I've always said that Greene has been an advocate for ending 40b's. What you refuse to hear is that he has been an ABYSMAL FAILURE in doing so. Read my lips, I'll speak slowly: HE CAN'T EVEN GET HIS PROPOSAL INTO A COMMITTEE! If he can't get his fellow reps to read it, how in the hell can you sit there and claim he's been successful, you dummy.

I've stripped the rest of your diatribe because it contains no relevant information (in my view).
Now, when are you going to answer how the ETA designation is obtained and how it progresses to the actual transfer of taxpayer funds to businesses, without which there is no expansion or relocation - therefore, you blithering idiot, NO NEW JOBS.

If you want the town to keep on marching down the road it's on, until is is officially declared a full blown blighted area, you don't need to do a thing. Just keep on keeping on. You and your ilk are doing a great job in that regard.

You have cleared one thing up for me, though. I can see why Bill has been so ineffective. He seems to surround himself with dishonest men and women for advisors, who make decisions on whim and what's best for them and not the town. I'll think of you when your turn to hit the unemployment line comes. And, everytime I see or read about crime, I'll think of Bill - you know...guilt by association and all that stuff.

Now, pis_s off until you learn to grow up and be truthful. I don't mind having honest discussions with strangers, but you, like Diogenes and Two Trees, are far from an honest man of principle. You are cowards at best and looters who would destroy this country at worst.

I may view you less harshly when you describe the process of obtaining an ETA status and how that made Bill such a big deal, and how money flows from the taxpayer to the business to the worker and demonstrate how the process is profitable to the town with hard cold cash figures. Hell, I'll settle for you just describing the process and proving it was the result of some great "special legislation". But, we both know you haven't the slightest idea, Mr. Pretender. Have a nice day.

Thousands of jobs and millions of dollars my ass

Bye wrote:

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Rick everytime you post you show your iqnorance about issues.
The ETA designation was a legislative action brought by Bill Greene fought for by Bill Greene and won by Bill Greene.
Was this a small victory NO, ask any town like Burlington that was refused the designation, Burlington came hat in hand to Billerica begging us to lend them our designation. We did and thousands of jobs were brought to the valley.
You stated what has Greene done, well alot. You say Greene did nothing with 40bs. That shows how out of touch you are. Greene is considered the leader in the House to change 40b. The only problem he has is Special Interests are rampant and the urban legislators think the Billericas and other towns be damned.
You either have the votes or you don't. That is why you should care enough to join Town Meeting, you could be one of the votes to make change. Instead you choose to sit in the cheap seats.

Thanks Bingo. I appreciate it. A liar's opinion is in great demand these days; expecially in government.

What happened to all that money donated to and raised
by the BWG?

Why did they not fight the EFSB decision???

I hope it wasn't because Ed and his girlfriend were dipping into the funds to supplement their unemployment checks.

Curious George wrote:

What happened to all that money donated to and raised
by the BWG?
Why did they not fight the EFSB decision???
I hope it wasn't because Ed and his girlfriend were dipping into the funds to supplement their unemployment checks.

Curiosity killed the cat, but pussies with idiotic statements will just be made to suffer as they go though life immersed in their own stupidity. You want to make an accusation like that, grow a set and come and say it to my face I am easy to find.

I can back up everything I say, show us all some proof.

Curious George wrote:

What happened to all that money donated to and raised
by the BWG?
Why did they not fight the EFSB decision???
I hope it wasn't because Ed and his girlfriend were dipping into the funds to supplement their unemployment checks.

You are definitely an argument in support of birth control. Slander is a serious charge, and while your name isn't readily available, your IP address makes identifying and locating you easy. You may want to practice thinking before posting to avoid losses resulting from a civil action.

I just noticed a good omen; my verification number for posting is 1776. You do know the significance of that date, don't you? Now, crawl back to your cave you disgusting, small minded cretin.

--Rick