Union dues an issue in race for governor | The Columbus Dispatch

Why don't you ask Mr. Kasich if he would elminiate collective bargaining for public employees or take away the Executive Orders issued to SEIU or AFSCME?

I doubt he has the testies.

Know The Truth wrote:

First of all, lets talk about what's real!! Union dues DO NOT support any candidate either Republican or Democrat. Union Dues are just what the term implies.....dues for the right to equal worker protection via a contract, negotiations etc. COPA or PAC monies support Candidates, and you voluntarily give to COPA or PAC, no union just takes your money for that!
Its funny how no one who pays their fair share or union dues complains when they figure out they are making at least a $1 or 2 more than the same person working for a company that isn't represented by the union! I bet if unions started demanding that people who don't want representation don't get the same raises or protections, then all those hating **** workers would stop complaining.

The REAL TRUTH is that union dues support dumbocrats. The unions and dumbocrats wash each hands. Do you think Obummer would have bailed out the auto manufacturers if they had been non union? You cannot name one Republican the union has ever supported. Also, unions cannot dictate what non members are paid.

The fact that Democrats support unions is a proven fact. The unions in return campaign and coerce members to vote Democratic. This is dirty politics at it's usual. Strickland is just paying his dues by forcing employees to help support him. I have dues taken from my pay and the only time you see union people is when the steady stream of money stops feeding them or just before an election. Vote Strickland out next time!!!!!!!!!!

My husband is a state employee who is "forced" to pay union dues. All the union has done is cost him money - it's a garbage union. In the 15 years that he has been employed by the state, they have LOST benefits at EVERY contract renewal (and I'm not counting the normal increase in insurance costs as part of that loss).
The OCSEA is the biggest joke around. And Yes, they support policitians - just like any other "business", they make donations to campaigns and if you would read the garbage literature that they send out to their union members, it would turn your stomach. Their only purpose is to keep the democrats in office since they (democrats) cater to the unions to get their votes because, unfortunately, union members are quite plentiful.

greg wrote:

NO TED?????
WHAT UNIONS RUN WILD???Less than 1% of OHIO workers are repped by a union.YOU ARE a MORON .

I would like to see the source of that information. I find it very very hard to believe that teachers (at all levels including college professors) and all federal, state, local government (city and county workers) employees, electricians, coal miners, firefighters, police, etc. workers make up less than 1% of the total employees in the state of Ohio.
According to an article I found - union employess make up more than 14% of Ohio workers and those numbers were quoted as being the lowest they had had in years - was over 21% in 1989.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/...

If you want to see how labor unions support the democratic party (and who they support)in Ohio - go here.

http://www.ohaflcio.org/Campaigns.html

Teacher's unions have been using dues for years to support candidates even though many teachers are required to pay dues and do not support the candidates that the union chooses to support. Ever pass the union office on E. Broad St. and see the signs in the window supporting only Democrates!
Not all teachers are Democrats and they would never support the candidates their dues are endorsing.

greg wrote:

Patricia Griggs, a nurse from Loveland in Hamilton County, said she doesn't want union representation, nor does she want money withheld from her paycheck for union fees to be used to support candidates or causes she might oppose. DUMB AS$ YOU CAN OPT OUT OF UNION REPRESENTATION IF YOU WISH.

I really wish that was the case as Providers we was not given that choice even if we did join the union they are still taking $25.00 out of our checks and the union hasn't done anything at all for the home providers they have just done something for the big daycare centers and last year in august we took a pay cut so please don't tell us we had a choice there was NO CHOICE FOR US!!!!!!!!!!1

greg wrote:

Patricia Griggs, a nurse from Loveland in Hamilton County, said she doesn't want union representation, nor does she want money withheld from her paycheck for union fees to be used to support candidates or causes she might oppose. DUMB AS$ YOU CAN OPT OUT OF UNION REPRESENTATION IF YOU WISH.

You are the dumb ass, the only way you can opt out is to quit your job.

You cannot be forced to join a union.

If you are a union member and you wish to resign your union membership, you have the right to do so, at any time !

If you resign, the union must provide you with their rules on paying only what it can prove are its costs for collective bargaining, grievance adjustments and contract administration. They must supply you with an independent auditors report showing how they arrived at these figures.

If you resign, usually within 30 days of your hire date, each year, you must object to paying dues that you do not want to pay. Some unions allow the objection once and it is permanent and continuing in nature.

In this great state of Ohio, if you decide not to join the union or resign your union membership, the union must still continue to represent you since you are PAYING THEM DUES !

You only get back what they cannot prove are costs solely related to union costs.

If you decide to resign your union membership and the union refuses to acknowledge it, then you can get free legal help from the National Right to Work Foundation.

http://www.nrtw.org

Read for yourself and decide. The decision is yours. They have sample objection letters there that you can print out and sign and mail to your "union". Keep copies and send them certified mail, return receipt requested.

LEARN THE FACTS !!

When you see language in a contract that states "you must join the union within 45 days of actual work and remain a union member in good standing subject to Labor law...." blah blah..... all that means is you must pay for representation but you still do not have to join and they have to send you a refund if you object to what they cannot prove is union legit expenses.

RESIGN if you wish. It is YOUR choice ! Stop complaining or allowing them to drag you into their problems on a day by day basis. SAY NO if you wish. The choice is YOURS to join or leave.

Right to Work wrote:

You cannot be forced to join a union.
If you are a union member and you wish to resign your union membership, you have the right to do so, at any time !
If you resign, the union must provide you with their rules on paying only what it can prove are its costs for collective bargaining, grievance adjustments and contract administration. They must supply you with an independent auditors report showing how they arrived at these figures.
If you resign, usually within 30 days of your hire date, each year, you must object to paying dues that you do not want to pay. Some unions allow the objection once and it is permanent and continuing in nature.
In this great state of Ohio, if you decide not to join the union or resign your union membership, the union must still continue to represent you since you are PAYING THEM DUES !
You only get back what they cannot prove are costs solely related to union costs.
If you decide to resign your union membership and the union refuses to acknowledge it, then you can get free legal help from the National Right to Work Foundation.
http://www.nrtw.org
Read for yourself and decide. The decision is yours. They have sample objection letters there that you can print out and sign and mail to your "union". Keep copies and send them certified mail, return receipt requested.
LEARN THE FACTS !!
When you see language in a contract that states "you must join the union within 45 days of actual work and remain a union member in good standing subject to Labor law...." blah blah..... all that means is you must pay for representation but you still do not have to join and they have to send you a refund if you object to what they cannot prove is union legit expenses.
RESIGN if you wish. It is YOUR choice ! Stop complaining or allowing them to drag you into their problems on a day by day basis. SAY NO if you wish. The choice is YOURS to join or leave.

Why would any sane person opt out of the union and still pay dues?

Right to Work wrote:

You cannot be forced to join a union.

SAY NO if you wish. The choice is YOURS to join or leave.

That is the point no one gets. Only 90% of the actual 30% of the people and 95% of the actual 31% of the people who VOTED, voted for the union. There are 2 posts on here saying they were never told of a vote being held.

The unions say that they spent years trying to organize the workers. So did the union only pick areas they knew that they would get a majority vote in favor of the union? If they spent years trying, they would know what areas would vote for the union and what areas would not vote for the union.

So you have 70% and 69% of the people that never voted, you have to wonder how many were never told of a vote? How would that 70% and 69% have voted? And is it their "CHOICE", if they are not told of a vote?

Something seems fishy with the numbers!

That is why I say, they need to contact the National Labor Relations Board, have them look into the vote, if nothing else, get 30% and call for another election and throw the union out.

Most of you seem to not understand that the conditions people work under now were created and negotiated by unions over the years in this country. Wages, benefits health care, 40 hour work weeks, etc.And as with anything there are good and bad things with different unions. They have a checkered past as they evolved but most unions and people in them are everyday hard working people hoping for a decent life and a chance to afford a nice place to live and raise their children just like the non union people. They are educated to do what they do . Problem is most people can't afford to live at nonunion wages, unless of course you own the company, because everything just keeps going up and up to satisfy the greed of the big wigs. If you don't like unions that is ok please stay away. Keep working like you are and when they don't need you for the day you can go home and wait until they need you again. Keep your second job too, you will need it to survive soon enough.

Liddleguy wrote:

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Why would any sane person opt out of the union and still pay dues?

I'm sorry, I thought I addressed that but needed to explain it further.

Ohio is not a right to work state.

In a right to work state, you do not have to join a union and you do not have to pay them one penny.

In a non right to work state, such as Ohio, you still do not have to join the union, or you can resign your membership at any time. You still must pay them a portion of dues related to collective bargaining, contract administration and grievance adjustments. Some unions refund as much as 30% of what you pay each year into the union, should you decide not to join or decide to resign.

When a union takes over, in a non right to work state such as Ohio, you still have to pay. That's why there are states that passed state laws to stop this and are known as "right to work states" where you pay nothing and do not join.

For a list of right to work states or to read more about compulsory unionism and their abuses, go to http://www.nrtw.org

The National Right to Work Foundation provides free legal assistance if you need it.

Please feel free to email them or call if you have any questions.

Unionism is YOUR choice. You cannot be compelled to join a union to keep your job in Ohio. If the union or company states you must join..... they lie. Know your rights.

I guess each state is different. If my husband opted out of the Union in Illinis he would not have been hired for any job. If you want to work you have to be a Union member. No, he did not voluntarily join, he was forced to join if he wanted to work. The Unions use millions of your dues dollars to pay for Democrat politicians. Right now the Unions are running out of money for your retirement, they have mis spent the dues. Not to worry Obama will give them billions from his stash. The corrupt Democrats have so many ways to cheat Americans out of their tax money.

After severa phone calls protesting the union dues taken out of my check without wanting to join a union, I know now my freedom of choice has been taken away! I am told this is the way it is and I will hav1.75% of my paycheck going to SEIU no matter what I think.

I am a shopsteward for my union and I need to say that your an ass! nions are all polical "jimmy hoffer ring a bell?" 2nd, I pay union and I am not being treated as an equial. The rest of my union gets medical and my own union sold some of us out and had our health and medical taken away. Unions are crooked, rob, steal, and cover up. I can go on and on but at the risk of getting myself pissed off and ruining my weekend, I'm gonna end this by saying.. FIND OUT THE REAL FACTS ABOUT UNIONS BEFORE YOU LET YOUR MOUTH SPUEW OUT YOUR OWN MADE UP FACTS THAT COULDN'T BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.