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Champion
United States
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dos from all the noise you create only 1 good thing came of it; that you have a higher license Coach that will be Club in the future. congrats Timmi.
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DOS
Whittier, CA
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Asking for the truth wrote: <quoted text> I dont think your statement above is correct. I believe the only kids that will be playing BU16 rec are the BU15 boys that were going to play signature. Please correct me if I am wrong but from what I have been told is that the only boys that are in the Rec BU16 pool right now are the BU15 Signature Boys that you pulled the team from, with the exception of maybe 2. So which is the correct Rumor out there: 1.By pulling the BU15 signature team, which you had enough kids to play on, has caused there to be boys not able to play soccer now in LMSA. 2.LMSA has enough players to play BU16 rec??? Ok since you asked nicely there was no BU15 signature team, the roster was never approved. Hence no team. The boys are welcome to play here they don't have to leave that is there decision, can't answer that question as to where or who the kids are. There is talk about not having u15 signature anymore? Hey lets keep it adult PLEASE Bob
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LM parent that cares
Ontario, CA
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DOS wrote: <quoted text> Ok since you asked nicely there was no BU15 signature team, the roster was never approved. Hence no team. The boys are welcome to play here they don't have to leave that is there decision, can't answer that question as to where or who the kids are. There is talk about not having u15 signature anymore? Hey lets keep it adult PLEASE Bob \ I heard there was a team, roster was not approved to accommodate your rec team first. So the players were pulled from that roster to create your rec team. remember rec is priority for lmsa. You are the DOS so you'll say whats convenient for you and the bod.
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LM Soccer
La Mirada, CA
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Although I hate the fact that a potential BU15 Sig team was not formed it was a good decision.
From what I can gather, there was insufficient players to form a BU16 Rec team. So it was decided that the more kids that play the better.
So the players on the possible BU15 Sig team would be used to fill the ranks of the BU16 rec.
It was a good decision because: 1. More kids get to play 2. The quality of the NOCIL U16 program is quite honestly as good as club bronze. So the U15 boys will get some quality experience 3. Families will save money. 4. The NOCIL Contracts with the Professional Referee Assns so the level of officiating will be better than the the sad rec refs that Sig uses
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DOS
Whittier, CA
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I'll reply once to this if you know who I am you I don't speak to anyone I shouldn't even do this because this kind of BS. If you mean LMSA REC TEAM YES MY TEAM NO. I didn't approve the roster because it didn't follow the known rules and it might have affected both the U14 and U16 program, before we knew there wasn't enough players for the rec team, this is why coaches turn in the roster so early to get them approved. They need time to make up the rec team side, there are other boys signed up for the rec program that were not part of the signature team. Again this was all discussed openly at the BOD meeting don't listen to rumors come to the meetings.
If you want to insult me do it to my face I'm not hiding behind a name.
The rec program is first and if we could have put 2 teams together we would have but we couldn't at this time. I here that some of the kids are leaving and going to the Striker good luck to them they will take your money no problem. They could stay here and play.
Some of you appreciate that someone was willing to come here and work with you sorry not no more if you want info go to the meeting don't listen to what people want to believe or think they know.
Bob
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Player
Ontario, CA
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LM Soccer wrote: Although I hate the fact that a potential BU15 Sig team was not formed it was a good decision. From what I can gather, there was insufficient players to form a BU16 Rec team. So it was decided that the more kids that play the better. So the players on the possible BU15 Sig team would be used to fill the ranks of the BU16 rec. It was a good decision because: 1. More kids get to play 2. The quality of the NOCIL U16 program is quite honestly as good as club bronze. So the U15 boys will get some quality experience 3. Families will save money. 4. The NOCIL Contracts with the Professional Referee Assns so the level of officiating will be better than the the sad rec refs that Sig uses Does the same apply for the BU14 teams, what's the deal with them? Don't think there will be too many teams for fall?
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LM Soccer
La Mirada, CA
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Must have missed that, what exactly is the BU14 problem ?
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Asking for the truth
Mason, OH
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OK, Just to clarify. Currently there is no BU16 Rec team.....Not enough players registered for BU16. The option for a BU15 Signature would of only meanty that One BU14 team, Rec and One BU14 Signature would have been possible. So instead of allowing part of the BU16 to play in Signature BU 15, noone gets to play now. Is that a true statement?
You all answered but kept sayin BU16 was better, I do not disagree. But the fact is it does not matter because there will be no BU16 teams or a BU15 signature team so what ever boys registered need to find a new home in another city or not play soccer.
I was asking if it was true that there will not be a BU16 season as of current registrations.
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Soccer Coach
Phoenix, AZ
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If the BOD approved club. We could have La Mirada boys play in La Mirada. Hence LM High School kids could play in their own city. But unfortunately we have no club just signature. So once kids reach the age of 14 or 15 they either play Rec or go club?
Its confusing to let kids play signature when they are younger but after they play signature for a couple years they are forced to leave or go back to play rec. Makes no sense to me why go back to rec.
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Asking for the truth
Mason, OH
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DOS wrote: <quoted text> Ok lets keep it adult, First Timmy has a higher level coaching licence then Frank he was the only one that went to the "D" course that was offered, second Timmy trains the team Frank doesn't his father does nothing wrong with that and nothing against the dad I am one. We have a current team that had great success under tremendous odds and that was considered. Thinking about what is best for future team it would be hard to think that it should be totally torn apart, we are suppose to have a fair and open tryouts for the team and there is no right of passage. During my interview with Frank I came away with the impression that he had already made up his mind on whom the team was going to be and that the girls that would tryout wouldn't be given a fair chance, that was the many reason why my recommendation was for the current coach. For better or worse. As far as which method there are several ways to train, some believe in development more the others, some believe that winning is the sole way to judge a coach, some get judge by how happy the team is, but that is a whole other discussion. It just depends on what you want out of it and the length of the term you have to judge yourself, my personal believe is that it takes about 3 years to get the best out of a kid, there is an old wise tale that says it takes a 1,000,000 quality touches before you can become a good soccer player, ever count how many quality touches a player gets at practice. Many of us judge talented soccer player by how athletic they are not their skills. oops here i go off on a tangent sorry. Ok what should the criteria be in choosing a signature coach? Bob Just asked if you agree, disagree or abstain. However, you responded with a question? I just beileve they both have different coaching/training styles. Frank is like a high school coach. you have a trainer for skils a trainer for conditioning, a trainer for defence. and he puts it all together. Tim is the do it all himself type Coach and Trainer. Both work. No one better than the other. But you just responded with kind of a back handed slam on Lopez, or did I read that wrong, I thought you did not want to get into that???? So much for trying to keep it ADULT. I do believe Frank has his "D" license, you do need that to be a coach in club, Rifht? He just did not use LMSA funds to get it. There is no reason for a rec Program to pay for "D" licenses for coach, because it will give them more reason to leave and take a team. Just MHO.
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DOS
Whittier, CA
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You read that wrong, not sure what the slap was but no back handed slap meant, Frank listed only an E on his ap. Yes you can coach club with an E many coaches have only that, especially those that are former players, why should I go get it I already know everything. Many yrs ago Steve Hoffman head trainer for cal south tried to get all club coaches U14 and above to have an D but he couldn't get the support to get it done. We want coaches to get the best training available I got my D as a rec coach because I wanted to know more and be a better coach for the kids, and IMHO that is the first level class that actually starts training you to be a trainer, and let you know how much you really don't know. IMHO
Bob
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DOS
Whittier, CA
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Soccer Coach wrote: If the BOD approved club. We could have La Mirada boys play in La Mirada. Hence LM High School kids could play in their own city. But unfortunately we have no club just signature. So once kids reach the age of 14 or 15 they either play Rec or go club? Its confusing to let kids play signature when they are younger but after they play signature for a couple years they are forced to leave or go back to play rec. Makes no sense to me why go back to rec. . Don't for get the girls, and this is a new quandary that we are facing and will probably look into this more latter this year.
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DOS
Whittier, CA
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Asking for the truth wrote: OK, Just to clarify. Currently there is no BU16 Rec team.....Not enough players registered for BU16. The option for a BU15 Signature would of only meanty that One BU14 team, Rec and One BU14 Signature would have been possible. So instead of allowing part of the BU16 to play in Signature BU 15, noone gets to play now. Is that a true statement? You all answered but kept sayin BU16 was better, I do not disagree. But the fact is it does not matter because there will be no BU16 teams or a BU15 signature team so what ever boys registered need to find a new home in another city or not play soccer. I was asking if it was true that there will not be a BU16 season as of current registrations. I will answer as to why we don' have a BU15 team. The rules are that you are only allow 2 younger's to play up, one coach goofed up and I let 3 play but only for the fall. This team had I believe 8 or 9 younger rec players and those kids shouldn't have been asked to play since we have rules to prevent this, It is unfortunate that the core group of BU14 players left, I wasn't privy to this info before hand if I had known we probably wouldn't have even tried to have a BU15 and everyone would have been happy. We did expect these kid to come back to the rec program but I guess not we will see. Bob
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DOS
Whittier, CA
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Fall 2012 Coaches Needed - BU8 - 1 BU12 - 3 GU10 - 2 GU12 - 3 Please contact Ruben at rubeno@lamiradasoccer.org tonight or tomorrow and let him know that you would like to help this season.
6/16/2012: Coaches Meeting
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DOS
Whittier, CA
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One last thing for the most part all these issue are talked about at the BOD meeting
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Champion
United States
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DOS wrote: Fall 2012 Coaches Needed - BU8 - 1 BU12 - 3 GU10 - 2 GU12 - 3 Please contact Ruben at rubeno@lamiradasoccer.org tonight or tomorrow and let him know that you would like to help this season. 6/16/2012: Coaches Meeting Good luck Ruben. unfortunately, your Stuck w. dos & Its really sad when at a Rec. program {lmsa)you have Teams that will not be playing??? Rec. is Recreational = for all; unlike Club.
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Old Parent
La Mirada, CA
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Don't worry Ruben, you'll get the coaches. We always do. It has been that way since time on end.
But I must admit you guys just made it harder for yourself when you started Sig. It took away many of the mom&pop coaches that stepped up. They are now just sending their kids to Sig
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Old Parent
La Mirada, CA
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Soccer Coach wrote: Its confusing to let kids play signature when they are younger but after they play signature for a couple years they are forced to leave or go back to play rec. Makes no sense to me why go back to rec. No kid who is playing Signature is going to make the Varsity. A Sign program for LM kids who want to play HS is a waste of time. LMSA is lying to them if they insinuate that it will help them to play HS ball. If a kid wants to play HS he must get onto a club team. This is the only way a player will get the knowledge, experience and training necessary. None of the LMSA Sig coaches is good enough and that's the truth.
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asking for the truth
United States
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Ok so does anyone know if BU16 rec will have a season??
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asking for the truth
United States
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DOS wrote: The rec program is first and if we could have put 2 teams together we would have but we couldn't at this time. I here that some of the kids are leaving and going to the Striker good luck to them they will take your money no problem. They could stay here and play. Some of you appreciate that someone was willing to come here and work with you sorry not no more if you want info go to the meeting don't listen to what people want to believe or think they know. Bob Who is the someone was willing and why not no more???? Also, noone from the folded BU15, went to strikers, maybe the previously coached by Jesse team, but not the new ones.
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