Not doing the job right?

Kings Creek Fire Department is using Junior Firmena and letting them run calls. This should not be happening and should be stop, NOW.
One has already had a wreck and it was luck that no one was hurt.
The Board is not doing their job in letting the chief just do what ever he wants to do and they have put camera all over the department. Was this the Grant money for the washers that they were awarder??

Hum...not sure what a "Junior Firmena" may be, but why are you posting this crap here???? Why not address the issue, whatever you're talking about, to the fire department??

this is funny

Well my god it is KCFD we are talking about. You know it's going to be funny watching these guys go at it. Almost as funny as a spelling B at KCFD.

Glad to see someone talk about the Kings Creek Fire Department. Something needs to be done from what i am hearning. Sounds like a bunch of young people playing up there to me. We the tax payers need better service than what we are getting. There is no need for 10 to 15 people showing up on one medical call. I just found this site today and do hope others get on it and express their opinion in this matter

There isnt a whole lot that can be done unless the community comes together and attends the board meetings. Kings Creek isnt incorporated so they really dont have a lot of say in who the county contracts for fire service, Ceder Rock on the other hand could cancel at anytime which would kill KCFD's tax base. If the folks in Ceder Rock were to get involved the FD's operation then you may see some changes.

KCFD has a lot of potential because they bring in a lot of fire tax [Ceder Rock and Thornfield] but they suffer from solid leadership. The board is the same ones that have been there for years, officers are really young with little experiance, Chief doesnt have a lot of fire managment experiance and the board tells him how it will be all the time.

Like many volunteer FD's they elect people to be Chiefs, board members and so on. It just becomes a popularity contest and if you piss the wrong group or faction off you are out. I have been around all the FD's in this county at some point and can tell you all KCFD needs is someone to run the place like an FD and not a country club. Lots of people may leave but they probably are not the type you wanted to start with.

They need a hell of a lot more [GOOD] training, one Chief with some years under his belt and a spine, a lot more indians that are there for the right reason not to be a Chief next year.

I say again KCFD has tons of potential but they need to think outside the box get the old school ways of thinking out.

Does he stay on the computer looking at porn like Tony C. does at Hudson?????

just a comment from the original . your fireman should be the most trustworthy people in your community putting up cameras on the inside sure gives a bad impression on what type people you have there. as for the wreck all emergency personell are taught to drive with due regard to the publics safety. if that was done the wreck could have been avoided.

Leadership
In the past 6 years i have seen KCFD grow from a gravel parking lot to newly paved one new roof being added to the puchase of several new trucks all the while seeing a vast improvement in in what would appear to be classes going on by the looks of the parking lot, but not in this past year i don't know what has happened but by the looks of things something serious. i have noticed as well that now they are running a large rescue truck out on medical calls while most other depts. are using smaller more economical trucks looks likesome managment changes have been made but not in a good way for the tax paying people of the community diesel 4.00 gas 3.65 simple math.what rescue equipment could you possibly use for shortness of breath that couldn't be carried on a pick up truck.

whos looking out for you wrote:

i have noticed as well that now they are running a large rescue truck out on medical calls while most other depts. are using smaller more economical trucks looks likesome managment changes have been made but not in a good way for the tax paying people of the community diesel 4.00 gas 3.65 simple math.what rescue equipment could you possibly use for shortness of breath that couldn't be carried on a pick up truck.

I have no business here but I can't help myself after reading your post.

I do not know one thing at all about the management or the day to day duties of a fireman, full time or part(volunteer). I do know that the "dedicated" men and women that take the job seriously are a blessing to all communities, any community. Now to the point of my post, if you value gas consumption or what size or type of vehicle responds above a person in need you have no need posting here either. You have no need posting anywhere, you have no common sense. My neighbor has a couple suzuki samurais that probably can be reconditioned very reasonable. Are they small enough to suit ya? Heck put wheels on the oxygen tanks and skateboard em to the scene.

I'm pretty sure that every vehicle in a dept. would need to be driven ever so often to keep the vehicle and driver in top condition.

Most depts. drive all their vehicles once a week for proper maint. the point being made they have a small pick up that was bought just for that purpose to save tax payers money that is being moth balled because of poor mgt.that should be used for just that purpose.

As for the large truck debate well I can add a little info here. Many full time departments have went to running an engine on medical calls simply to keep a four man engine company together per IFSTA regulations, in case they get a fire call they will be ready to go. This doesnt really apply to volunteer departments unless they have at least four people [engine company] working at the same time.

It does matter to the bottom line of a department because fuel is a major cost. KCFD should be running their old brush truck on med calls because one, they dont run an engine company full time, they are not a municipal fire dept and dont need to try and act like one, they really have a hard time fitting an engine in some places out in the county that a pickup could get to.

I think they try to justify this by saying IFSTA wants an engine company to run togehter but there again it doesnt apply to a small rural dept like it would Hickory or Lenoir FD's. I think it's more they want to drive a fire truck than anything.

The trucks are ran mon-fri for maintenance. They drive a differant one every day or they did in the past.

whos looking out for you wrote:

Leadership
In the past 6 years i have seen KCFD grow from a gravel parking lot to newly paved one new roof being added to the puchase of several new trucks all the while seeing a vast improvement in in what would appear to be classes going on by the looks of the parking lot, but not in this past year i don't know what has happened but by the looks of things something serious. i have noticed as well that now they are running a large rescue truck out on medical calls while most other depts. are using smaller more economical trucks looks likesome managment changes have been made but not in a good way for the tax paying people of the community diesel 4.00 gas 3.65 simple math.what rescue equipment could you possibly use for shortness of breath that couldn't be carried on a pick up truck.

From what I know they had a falling out with the former Chief and they voted him out. He was replaced with someone that would probably go along with the board and is trying to make friends it would seem. The leadership has always been in question at that dept and always been young. They have lots of nice equiptment and a nice setup but they lack training and structure. Too many family memebers in the ranks and on the board which is always a no no. They could be a top notch place if someone could come in and just piss everyone off and do the right thing. It wouldnt take long to see who really wants to be a firefighter and who just wants to run red lights and stand around wearing a white helmet.

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cudos for kcfd putting cameras up and inside their dept.i think that is how they caught some employees sleeping on the job. maybe they are doing some management stucture changes for the community.

Seems to me they have more jr fireman than they have enough regular fireman looks like the perfect oppertunity to bring the next generation up right if they would seize the moment we all heard or saw pictures of them send jr fireman to the chemical coatings fire very unprofessional on KCFD command staff for letting that happen can't really blame the jr.s for that. You could tell by their radio traffic that they didn;t have a clue about the I.C.S or how it worked. Their saftey should have been the first concern and then the safety of the more expeirenced fireman second .about every county fire dept. i know has guidelines on jrs to prevent this sort of thing from happening. the paper has their annual meeting on Aug 8th hope the community comes out

There is no way at all any Jr. FF's should have been at the chemical coatings fire. If anyone has ever listened to kcfd on the radio then you know how they are. They can have a little smoke somewhere and you would think the world was coming to an end. They do not ever practice the incident command system and it's always a total cluster when they have the smallest incident. The county dispatchers can tell you how bad it is when they get a call. It got so bad before on a wreck scene that the helecopter from charlotte refused to land, there was ten differant people trying to scream commands [on the radio] to the chopper pilot and they tried to land him on a dirt pile lol. After that incident charlotte refused to come back ever to a kcfd incident although they later reversed that decision after the dept had to take an ICS/helocopter class.

Well, as long as they are doing their job, why does it matter the age they are? I know the former Chief, and he wasn't a young boy. He was a father.
Regardless,

what a cluster wrote:

There is no way at all any Jr. FF's should have been at the chemical coatings fire. If anyone has ever listened to kcfd on the radio then you know how they are. They can have a little smoke somewhere and you would think the world was coming to an end. They do not ever practice the incident command system and it's always a total cluster when they have the smallest incident. The county dispatchers can tell you how bad it is when they get a call. It got so bad before on a wreck scene that the helecopter from charlotte refused to land, there was ten differant people trying to scream commands [on the radio] to the chopper pilot and they tried to land him on a dirt pile lol. After that incident charlotte refused to come back ever to a kcfd incident although they later reversed that decision after the dept had to take an ICS/helocopter class.

If the chief would have just read over osha 1910.120 he would have developed an emergency response for personell for haz mat . i hope he realizes that letting them go and not informing the stagging officer of their skill level ultimatly leaves him and the board of directors resposible if anyone of them should get sick or develope anything in the future that could even be remotely tied to the chemical coatins fire if they were not trained to haz-mat operations level then they should have never been in the warm zone let alone the hot zone.Its easy to wear the white hat the real work comes from realizing all the responsability you have to carry. they must remember N.C. IS AN O.S.H.A. state.

The way I see it wrote:

<quoted text>From what I know they had a falling out with the former Chief and they voted him out. He was replaced with someone that would probably go along with the board and is trying to make friends it would seem. The leadership has always been in question at that dept and always been young. They have lots of nice equiptment and a nice setup but they lack training and structure. Too many family memebers in the ranks and on the board which is always a no no. They could be a top notch place if someone could come in and just piss everyone off and do the right thing. It wouldnt take long to see who really wants to be a firefighter and who just wants to run red lights and stand around wearing a white helmet.

The former chief was a father, and a dedicated fireman to the community, and he started there when I was one year old. He grew to love it, and he found great joy in helping others. I don't know how many times he would get a call from someone that needed help and he would have to leave, and he never knew the word no, away he would go sometimes he would take me with him, other times I had to stay behind. He put so many other peoples problems ahead of his own. If any fireman called he was there, if they needed anything he would do his best to deliver. He realized he needed more education in order to do a better job for his fireman and the citizens so he started running certifcation classes so the fireman would not have to leave or be to far from their families so everyone would be better trained, more qualified and also that maybe some younger kids that wanted to pursue a full time career would have the education to do so. My dad spent 15 yrs doing what he loved for the people he loved to see them abandon him and treat him like a leper. The sad thing is he worries still about that fire dept., and it's members still to this day. That's what I know about the former chief. MY DAD.

The way I see it wrote:

<quoted text>From what I know they had a falling out with the former Chief and they voted him out. He was replaced with someone that would probably go along with the board and is trying to make friends it would seem. The leadership has always been in question at that dept and always been young. They have lots of nice equiptment and a nice setup but they lack training and structure. Too many family memebers in the ranks and on the board which is always a no no. They could be a top notch place if someone could come in and just piss everyone off and do the right thing. It wouldnt take long to see who really wants to be a firefighter and who just wants to run red lights and stand around wearing a white helmet.

I think you hit the nail on the head from what i have heard any mutual aid calls that they could respond to they have been left out of from their neighboring depts. That should have sent a flag up to the board of directors but seems they are blinded by ignorance