CFBB Needs to check their facts!

CFBB instigator wrote:

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She lost me in the first paragraph, even when you break it down into sentences it makes no sense at all. Does anyone know of a Moron to English translator tool that I can use to interpret what she is saying?

My favorite nugget of gibberish:

"But what would that mean for residents? First, if they do not want more section 8 on the east side, they can attend the hearing and fight against the construction permits being issues. They can picked that location to delay the construction."

My head is hurting from trying to make sense of what they were trying to say.

It looks like they're at it again! This time they're saying that the Heritage Creek subdivision wants to be 'sold' to Naperville. My guess is that it was started because Bob Bowen lives in that subdivision.

Anyway, on to the "facts". They say that they should have a Naperville address because they are located in a Naperville school district. For being a political organization, you would think that they would know that the school district boundaries are not determined by the name of the town that you live in but by the ISBE. If that's the case, there are other parts of Bolingbrook that need to be sold to Plainfield as they are in Plainfield 202 SD. What would happen to the homes off of Janes Ave near 83rd Street? They are located in Woodridge elementary school district and Downers Grove high school district. Should they be 'sold' to Woodridge or Downers Grove?

They also say that Bolingbrook taxes are higher than Naperville but what they fail to realize is that Bolingbrook's tax rate includes garbage service at no additional cost while Naperville charges $2.10 per bag! If we use Mr. Bowen's property as an example, he's currently paying $730.60 in taxes for the Village of Bolingbrook. This is with the Village tax rate of 0.6202. If you use the Naperville tax rate of 0.5127 instead, he would be paying $603.96 to Naperville plus whatever he would pay in garbage stickers. If the average family has two bags of garbage a week, that we be an additional $218.40 a year in garbage making the total that he pays $822.30 or $91.76 MORE than he currently paid.

Let's not forget that if theses areas are 'sold' to another community, they will be paying a higher rate if they choose to use the Bolingbrook Park District programs and facilities.

BBresident wrote:

Has anyone seen the army of volunteers trying to collect signatures? No one that I know has.
Maybe they don't have as many supporters as they thought!

One came to my door today. He told me that he was gathering signatures on behalf of the Village of Bolingbrook to put a referendum on the ballot that would change the way that trustees are elected. He then went on to hand me the letter that the CFBB had passed out in our neighborhood several weeks ago and asked me if I had read it. I said yes but I wasn't interested in signing. He seemed a bit puzzled and left. I really did want to chat a bit with the guy but I was in the middle of a business call and couldn't stand around and chat. I would have loved to have heard him answer some of the many questions that I have for their organization.

It seems like they're getting a little desperate since they have resorted to lying by saying that they're representing the village.

You must be ignorant Bill. They came to my door and stated on behalf of the Village of Bolingbrook residents... When is the "Village of Bolingbrook" only the Mayor and trustees? I thought we all made up the Village! Maybe that is how you and the Mayor see it, as the Village is only you two. Maybe that is why decisions are made every day to fatten Claar's pockets instead of putting it back in the taxpayers pockets. It is because he thinks the Village is "him". Now that Chicago Tribune article makes sense when he stated... I am Bolingbrook.

Hey, I am going to email this story to the CFBB. I bet they would like it!

Sue wrote:

You must be ignorant Bill. They came to my door and stated on behalf of the Village of Bolingbrook residents... When is the "Village of Bolingbrook" only the Mayor and trustees? I thought we all made up the Village! Maybe that is how you and the Mayor see it, as the Village is only you two. Maybe that is why decisions are made every day to fatten Claar's pockets instead of putting it back in the taxpayers pockets. It is because he thinks the Village is "him". Now that Chicago Tribune article makes sense when he stated... I am Bolingbrook.
Hey, I am going to email this story to the CFBB. I bet they would like it!

"On behalf of the village" is not the same as "on behalf of the residents". I don't know anyone that supports this idea and we're all residents so this petition surely doesn't represent The Village now does it?

When he was asked if he was part of the CFBB, he denied it although the paper that he was handing out was printed by them.

Why was he so ashamed to admit that he's part of the that organization?

Here's another one.

"Behind the old Office Depot, two trustees home lie in the path of our signature workers."

As far as I know, none of the trustees live in the Heritage Heights subdivision in Bolingbrook.

I also found it a bit funny that Bob Bowen is being suggested as a trustee for the village of Bolingbrook while a few articles down, they talk about selling the area that he lives in to Naperville since the residents that live there have nothing to do with Bolingbrook.

Why would I want someone to represent me if he doesn't even want to live in my town?!

And for the record, his home is no where near the homes of Joe Morelli or Ricardo Morales so why is his name next to their pictures?

Here's another good one.

"(Terri Droogan ran against Claar 12 years ago)
the lead singer of the Buckinghams which ran as a write in 4 years ago for Mayor, and
Ken Goodwin, who is the Precinct Captain and walks his neighborhood!"

What does being the lead singer of the Buckinghams have to do with being a trustee of Bolingbrook?

What exactly is Ken Goodwin the Precinct Captain of?

Ahhh, here we go again. Quoting from the website:

"That leaves three districts open for other candidates! As for Bonnie, she is still deciding if she should move to an empty district or if she will wait and run for Mayor again."

That ASSumes that their proposal will actually go anywhere. Wasn't Bonnie's original mayoral nominating petition tossed due to too many problems with the signatures, hence the write-in campaign? Let's see if they learned anything from their last go-around and get that part right, first of all.

And I guess that means Bonnie could be moving to yet another undisclosed location? Remember she had to go into hiding due to all the "threats" she was receiving. I sure hope there is nothing for sale in my neighborhood. Fortunately our location would be unattractive to her as we are a pretty good distance from any of the fast food restaurants.

Sue, you're just another CFBB kool aid drinking whack job.

If someone comes to my door and says "I'm gathering signatures on behalf of the Village of Bolingbrook", anybody in their right mind would take that to mean Village Leadership.

If however, that same person came to my door and said, "I'm collecting signatures on behalf of the citizens of Bolingbrook", anybody in their right mind would take that to mean the Citizens of Bolingbrook.

You can replace the word Bolingbrook in the two examples above, and the resulting assumption on the part of the homeowner being bothered for his / her signature, will be the same.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!

This proves how STUPID the CFBB is and exactly why they should NEVER have anything to do with elected office of any kind.

They supposedly submitted their petitions today Monday, November 16, 2009 - 78 days prior to the February 2, 2010 PRIMARY Election.

Nowhere in the Illinois Election Code does it say anything about posing referendum questions on a PRIMARY ELECTION Ballot.

(10 ILCS 5/Art. 28 heading)
ARTICLE 28. SUBMITTING PUBLIC QUESTIONS

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.as...

Here's another "FACT" that they need to check. Their website says "Out of all the homes we went up to, only 6 people refused to sign the petition. Regretfully, three were trustees."

The funny thing is that I refused to sign the petition and so did 3 other neighbors of mine. NONE of us are trustees so how do they explain that?

The numbers just don't add up!

They can't spell so I guess that I shouldn't be surprised that they can't add either!

Did they do it? No they didn't!

Petitions for the submission of a public question to referendum which proposes the creation or formation of a political subdivision must be filed with the appropriate officer or board not less than 108 days prior to a regular election to be eligible for submission on the ballot at such election.

Also, did any of y'all see anything in any of the local newspapers indicating their intent to file? I didn't, but I mighta missed it ...

g) A petition for the incorporation or formation of a new political subdivision whose officers are to be elected rather than appointed must have attached to it an affidavit attesting that at least 108 days and no more than 138 days prior to such election notice of intention to file such petition was published in a newspaper published within the proposed political subdivision, or if none, in a newspaper of general circulation within the territory of the proposed political subdivision in substantially the following form:
NOTICE OF PETITION TO FORM A NEW........
Residents of the territory described below are notified that a petition will or has been filed in the Office of..........requesting a referendum to establish a new........, to be called the..........
*The officers of the new..........will be elected on the same day as the referendum. Candidates for the governing board of the new......may file nominating petitions with the officer named above until..........
The territory proposed to comprise the new........is described as follows:
(description of territory included in petition)
(signature).........
Name and address of person or persons proposing
the new political subdivision.
* Where applicable.
Failure to file such affidavit, or failure to publish the required notice with the correct information contained therein shall render the petition, and any referendum held pursuant to such petition, null and void.

So, even if my original assessment is incorrect as to whether or not a referendum question can be on a Primary Election Ballot -

They definitely missed the filing deadline because their referendum question is asking the citizens of Bolingbrook, if the Village should be divided into six districts.

And, unless I missed it, they failed to publish their intent to file in any of the local newspapers.

Brian Lewis wrote:

So, even if my original assessment is incorrect as to whether or not a referendum question can be on a Primary Election Ballot -
They definitely missed the filing deadline because their referendum question is asking the citizens of Bolingbrook, if the Village should be divided into six districts.
And, unless I missed it, they failed to publish their intent to file in any of the local newspapers.

I guess that answer my question. They didn't learn anything about petitions and ballots from Bonnie's mayoral run. Surprised? Me neither.

Maybe their 'lawyer', never finished his Juris Doctor. Just like their leader never finished her Doctorate?

I wonder, if it turns out they blew it, which I believe they did, will they admit it? Or, will they try to blame their incompetance on The Village, et al?

Brian Lewis wrote:

So, even if my original assessment is incorrect as to whether or not a referendum question can be on a Primary Election Ballot -
They definitely missed the filing deadline because their referendum question is asking the citizens of Bolingbrook, if the Village should be divided into six districts.
And, unless I missed it, they failed to publish their intent to file in any of the local newspapers.

Brian,

You're good. I knew that with their past history that they would do something wrong or forget about something and you just proved it.

I'm sure that if their request is not allowed, it will be all Roger's fault again and they will fail to admit that they are the ones the make the mistake.

Like Joe, I refused to sign the petition so how are they saying that only 6 people refused and that 3 of them were trustees? Does anyone know which trustees live behind the old Office Depot? I don't think that any do. Maybe Bonnie's group could post the names and addresses for us so that we would know which trustee they're talking about.

Keep up the good work!

Tim

For discussion sake, let's say they got it right, the question makes it on the ballot AND it passes.

When / How, do they propose that it go into effect?

Three of our Trustees' terms expire in 2011 and the other Three Trustees' terms, expire in 2013.

So, we've got Bolingbrook divided up into six Trustee Districts.

By their own research -
Brown (2011) & Swinkunas (2013), live in the same 'district'.
Morales (2011) & Morelli (2013), live in the same 'district'.
Schanks (2011) & Lawler (2013), live in the same 'district'.

Leaving three 'open' districts.

Does that mean, come the next Municipal Election, that Brown, Morales and Schanks would have to run against the other Trustees in their 'district', if they wanna stay in office? Eventhough those three terms don't expire until 2013?

Truth be told, this is probably something that should have been addressed when Bolingbrook was incorporated as a Village in 1965, or whenever our current form of municipal government was laid out.

How would we switch from having 6 'at-large' Trustees to 6 'district' Trustees, 44+ years after incorporation?

Had Bolingbrook been divided into districts at that time, more could be added as we grew.

But, to radically change our curent form of government when half of the Trustee terms expire in 2011 and the other half in 2013 and where 2 Trustees, each with staggered end of term date, live in 3 of the proposed districts, I just don't see how they think this is gonna work.

Brian Lewis wrote:

For discussion sake, let's say they got it right, the question makes it on the ballot AND it passes.
When / How, do they propose that it go into effect?
Three of our Trustees' terms expire in 2011 and the other Three Trustees' terms, expire in 2013.
So, we've got Bolingbrook divided up into six Trustee Districts.
By their own research -
Brown (2011) & Swinkunas (2013), live in the same 'district'.
Morales (2011) & Morelli (2013), live in the same 'district'.
Schanks (2011) & Lawler (2013), live in the same 'district'.
Leaving three 'open' districts.
Does that mean, come the next Municipal Election, that Brown, Morales and Schanks would have to run against the other Trustees in their 'district', if they wanna stay in office? Eventhough those three terms don't expire until 2013?

Brian,

You don't think that they actually thought this through now do you!

Their research also shows that they think that Bob Bowen lives in the same district as Morelli and Morales. The funny thing is that both of these men live west of Weber Rd and south of Boughton and Bowen lives in Heritage Creek off of Royce Rd. In my estimation he's got to be several miles away from the other two.

Have they suggested how they will determine where the dividing lines will be for each district? I'd love to have some answers but every time I send an email to them, they fail to respond. So much for their mantra about wanting transparency. Maybe I should file a FOIA with them and see what happens. LOL!

I know that they read this board so maybe they could answer some of these questions in the next investigation report that they put on their web site.

I'm still searching Facebook and have yet to find their group. Obviously they named it something that doesn't include the word "Bolingbrook" in the title. I'm not really sure that they want the citizens of Bolingbrook to find them. They're much more comfortable with the kool-aid drinking group that they have now.

Bob, Ken, Bonnie, George...if you have the guts, please let us know how you plan to address these issues.

Thanks!

Tim

Regarding Facebook -
They set it up as a regular Facebook page (as opposed to a Facebook Group or Official Page), where someone has to request to be added as a friend, then wait to be added.

If you search on -

Citizensforabetter Bolingbrook

http://www.facebook.com/home.php...

You should find it.