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Concerned LHS Parent
Norristown, PA
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I received a notice from the Lebanon High School last week stating that my 14 yr old had his 3rd dress code violation(untucked shirt) and that not only would he get ISS but would also be receiving a fine for disorderly conduct for said infractions. In talking to the school they said yes they now fine for repeated dress code violations and would probably be 350.00 but that the fine would be in my sons name so if not paid he would get picked up when he turns 18......FOR HAVING HIS SHIRT UNTUCKED WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT. I went into the school and raised he@@ and got the fine removed but I'm wondering how long this has been going on and are there other parents like myself who are unaware of this???? How many parents out there have actually paid this bogus fine and why is this being allowed to continue??
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WHAT THE
Norristown, PA
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Talk about unproportional discipline:
According to the Principle. Each infraction of the dress code elevates the level of infraction. And according to page 36 of the highschool handbook, the third infraction elevates the untucked shirt to the same penalty for the following criminal acivities:
Fighting
Vandalism
Theft
Threats to students and teachers
Inappropriate sexual behavior
Gang related activiity
Possesion of drugs for use or distribution
Possesion of look-a-like drug items
Posession of bomb making material or fireworks
Reckless driving
All of which can be subject to charges under the PA civil/criminal Code.
technically than, non-defiant failure to complete homework can also get the child charged with a civil/criminal law infraction and fine to be inforced when the child turns 18.
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JoEllen
Elizabethtown, PA
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Well I think that these students should be disciplined for failing to follow the rules. If he has a job with a dress code and repeatadly violates it then he would be fired. He's how old! time to respect authority, and responsibility. You as a parent should know better. You are teaching your son that it is OK to disrespect his teachers and administration. Make him follow the dress code and if he chooses to be ignorant then let him pay the consequences. Maybe then he wouldn't be so concerned with looking cool in front of his friends and tuck in his shirt.
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Joined: Nov 19, 2008
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Lebanon PA
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Norristown, PA
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Disciplined....absolutely...th ats what ISS is. But a 14 yr old getting a fine for 350.00 for an untucked shirt....are you crazy He's 14 for crying out loud...have you ever seen an active 14 year old kid....they tend to get a bit disheveled from time to time. not to mention a 14 yr old isn't going to be able to pay a $350 fine so either the parents foot the bill or he has to face it when he turns 18 it's outrageous
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OLD SCHOOL
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whatever happened to writing it 500 times? "I will tuck my shirt in my pants"
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Read it
East Orange, NJ
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Each parent is given a code of conduct book at the beginning of the school year which must be read and a form signed and returned.If you signed and returned it you knew the consequences.Stop whining and teach your child to have respect.
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LebRes
York, PA
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Read it wrote: Each parent is given a code of conduct book at the beginning of the school year which must be read and a form signed and returned.If you signed and returned it you knew the consequences.Stop whining and teach your child to have respect. Obviously you didn't read it and don't know what your talking about. Theres nothing in the 'code of conduct' that any sane person would take to mean kids were going to get charged and fined for dress code violations. Stick to commenting on thins you know something about.
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LebRes
York, PA
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I can't believe there are actually people out there who think it's appropriate for kids to be fined in the 100s of dollars for dress code violations things like this young persons shirt not tucked in or too many buttons open etc. the only schools I've ever heard of doing this(fines for dress code violators) would be in Iraq or other Muslim countries. Should this be going on in the USA???? I DON'T THINK SO
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LebRes
York, PA
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OLD SCHOOL wrote: whatever happened to writing it 500 times?
"I will tuck my shirt in my pants" Old School is absolutely right. make the punishment fit the crime
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ObviouslyNot
York, PA
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Read it wrote: Each parent is given a code of conduct book at the beginning of the school year which must be read and a form signed and returned.If you signed and returned it you knew the consequences.Stop whining and teach your child to have respect. Obviously you didn't read it or you would know what youre talking about. Theres nothing in any code of conduct or handbook for LHS that says kids who break the dress code will be charged and fined 100s of dollars Thats just insane
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Duh
Elizabethtown, PA
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Obviously most everyone is missing the point. This is not about the penalty for not tucking in a shirt. It's about respect for authority and the kid obviously has none. It's also about parents defending their children's "right" to aviod the penalty for defying authority. Sadly, these are the same kids that grow into young adults and defy police, their employers and all government officials. I am thankful that my parents taught me to respect teachers, policemen and all adults. If I didn't, they made sure I understood that I should have.
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Joined: Nov 20, 2008
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York, PA
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Duh wrote: Obviously most everyone is missing the point.
This is not about the penalty for not tucking in a shirt. It's about respect for authority and the kid obviously has none.
It's also about parents defending their children's "right" to aviod the penalty for defying authority.
Sadly, these are the same kids that grow into young adults and defy police, their employers and all government officials.
I am thankful that my parents taught me to respect teachers, policemen and all adults. If I didn't, they made sure I understood that I should have. 1) This is about my son..(A friend of mine started this thread) He was not defying authority,,his shirt came untucked for crying out loud. 2) I think you're the one missing the point...this is about the penalty fitting the misbehavior. 3) This parent did not defend his child's right to misbehave, I simply stood up for his right to not be punished in an unjust or overly harsh way. 4) My son does have respect for authority as he was taught by his parents and I don't think that a dress code violation constitutes defiant disrespect for authority. and finally...you don't know my son and obviously don't know what your talking about so don't think you have any right to stand as judge and say he has no respect for authority.
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Joined: Nov 19, 2008
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Lebanon PA
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Read it wrote: Each parent is given a code of conduct book at the beginning of the school year which must be read and a form signed and returned.If you signed and returned it you knew the consequences.Stop whining and teach your child to have respect. OK...It seems some are a little slow getting the point that's being made here. So, using our principals logic here's a simple hypothetical situation that will hopefully help make it clear. Since this discipline is meant to prepare our children for the real world we'll use a real world situation. 1st offense)'Read It' doesn't get back to there car on time to plug the meter and gets a parking ticket.Not a big deal ...pays the 10 or 15 dollar fine and life goes on. 2nd offense)Oops, a week later, stores are crowded, things are hectic, and we get a second parking ticket.Not a big deal...right? except now that it's a second offense the infraction is moved to level 2 in the criminal code ...now its a $100 fine and the car gets impounded for a day. 3rd offense)OMG 'Read It' forgot it's street cleaning day and didn't move the car..another parking ticket, but now it's the third offense so that's level 3 in the code. Now we're lumped in the same category as thugs, drug dealers, car thieves, and gang bangers Now we not only get a $1000 fine, we get to spend some time in jail. Thats it...now the pop quiz A. That sounds like a totally reasonable scenerio and wouldn't bother me at all. B. That is ludicrous, unthinkable, beyond overly harsh, a completely unreasonable punishment and just plain stupid. Nuff Said BTW: If you chose A you are beyond my ability to help you and should seek some form of professional help.
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JoEllen
Silver Spring, PA
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I guess it is completely acceptable for this student to neglect the dress code, and for his mother to raise hell in the admins office. Fine then, lets all go into the police station after we get a parking ticket and raise hell so that they rip up the ticket, I mean how dare they ticket you for being too lazy to move your car for the street sweeper or park in front of that fire hydrant instead of across the street! This kid had every right to plead Not Guilty and have the judge decide if it was fair or not. Instead his mommy intervened to show him it is ok to violate the dress coded policy because he was too lazy to tuck back in his shirt. He's had two previous incidents, he knew what would happen if he did it again. I hope he gets another violation, then maybe mommy will get upset with him and not the school.
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Joined: Nov 20, 2008
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York, PA
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JoEllen wrote: I guess it is completely acceptable for this student to neglect the dress code, and for his mother to raise hell in the admins office. Fine then, lets all go into the police station after we get a parking ticket and raise hell so that they rip up the ticket, I mean how dare they ticket you for being too lazy to move your car for the street sweeper or park in front of that fire hydrant instead of across the street!
This kid had every right to plead Not Guilty and have the judge decide if it was fair or not. Instead his mommy intervened to show him it is ok to violate the dress coded policy because he was too lazy to tuck back in his shirt. He's had two previous incidents, he knew what would happen if he did it again. I hope he gets another violation, then maybe mommy will get upset with him and not the school. That.....Was quite an impressive tirade...albeit, a bit confusing. Ummmm...give me a day or two to figure out what it is you're trying to say.....but hey I'll get back to ya..........LMAO.....No really, I will.
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Duh
Elizabethtown, PA
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Well, the first post stated that was his third dress code violation. I guess I can understand why you think that since it's only the third time, it's not a fair indication that he is defying authority. Perhaps you can set another good example for him by petitioning the school to allow at least 12 violations before he gets a written warning.
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ooookkkk
East Orange, NJ
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OLD SCHOOL wrote: whatever happened to writing it 500 times?
"I will tuck my shirt in my pants" Yeah ok that will get him to keep his shirt tucked in......
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ooookkkk
East Orange, NJ
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tofoz69 wrote: <quoted text>
OK...It seems some are a little slow getting the point that's being made here.
So, using our principals logic here's a simple hypothetical situation that will hopefully help make it clear.
Since this discipline is meant to prepare our children for the real world we'll use a real world situation.
1st offense)'Read It' doesn't get back to there car on time to plug the meter and gets a parking ticket.Not a big deal ...pays the 10 or 15 dollar fine and life goes on.
2nd offense)Oops, a week later, stores are crowded, things are hectic, and we get a second parking ticket.Not a big deal...right? except now that it's a second offense the infraction is moved to level 2 in the criminal code ...now its a $100 fine and the car gets impounded for a day.
3rd offense)OMG 'Read It' forgot it's street cleaning day and didn't move the car..another parking ticket, but now it's the third offense so that's level 3 in the code.
Now we're lumped in the same category as
thugs,
drug dealers,
car thieves,
and gang bangers
Now we not only get a $1000 fine, we get to spend some time in jail.
Thats it...now the pop quiz
A. That sounds like a totally reasonable scenerio and wouldn't bother me at all.
B. That is ludicrous, unthinkable, beyond overly harsh, a completely unreasonable punishment and just plain stupid.
Nuff Said
BTW: If you chose A you are beyond my ability to help you and should seek some form of professional help. Uhh no your the slow one. It's not like it was his first offense how many chances does one get?I'm sure he was told what would happen if his shirt was out again. They just don't opt to fine you that much without a warning.I'm sure mommy or daddy isn't telling the whole story either......Cause every child is an angel...
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Read it
East Orange, NJ
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tofoz69 wrote: <quoted text>
OK...It seems some are a little slow getting the point that's being made here.
So, using our principals logic here's a simple hypothetical situation that will hopefully help make it clear.
Since this discipline is meant to prepare our children for the real world we'll use a real world situation.
1st offense)'Read It' doesn't get back to there car on time to plug the meter and gets a parking ticket.Not a big deal ...pays the 10 or 15 dollar fine and life goes on.
2nd offense)Oops, a week later, stores are crowded, things are hectic, and we get a second parking ticket.Not a big deal...right? except now that it's a second offense the infraction is moved to level 2 in the criminal code ...now its a $100 fine and the car gets impounded for a day.
3rd offense)OMG 'Read It' forgot it's street cleaning day and didn't move the car..another parking ticket, but now it's the third offense so that's level 3 in the code.
Now we're lumped in the same category as
thugs,
drug dealers,
car thieves,
and gang bangers
Now we not only get a $1000 fine, we get to spend some time in jail.
Thats it...now the pop quiz
A. That sounds like a totally reasonable scenerio and wouldn't bother me at all.
B. That is ludicrous, unthinkable, beyond overly harsh, a completely unreasonable punishment and just plain stupid.
Nuff Said
BTW: If you chose A you are beyond my ability to help you and should seek some form of professional help. "Read it" knows better and would not get a second ot third offense.
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JoEllen
Silver Spring, PA
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I Choose Freedom wrote: <quoted text>
That.....Was quite an impressive tirade...albeit, a bit confusing.
Ummmm...give me a day or two to figure out what it is you're trying to say.....but hey I'll get back to ya..........LMAO.....No really, I will. how sad for you, what's it like to be slow? I mean how do you coupe with being mentally retarded? Did you not read the comment posted right before mine? I'm sorry you didn't get it, maybe I will speak in Layman's terms for you next time. wow, I couldn't have been more clear in what point I was getting across.
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