Prelate Asks Governor Not to Receive Eucharist

earlpittsamurican wrote:

Mary, I have a question that is only partially on topic. I know there are a number of Catholics who are pro-choice, just as there are a number in my own brotherhood who are pro-choice. Do you feel that this is just a sign of the times? By that I mean, are they too wrapped up in the world?
Or are we not doing a good enough job educating people? And what can be done to change their minds?

Earl, I think that the reason there are so many pro-choice "Christians" is because they have chosen to serve "mammon" and not God. Our Lord said it in Matthew 6:24.
"You cannot be a slave to two masters; you will hate one and love the other; you will be loyal to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." (Today's English Version)
Down through the ages there have been those who chose to serve God and those who chose to serve themselves. I can't say for sure if it is any worse today than in past centuries, but it would appear so. One of the signs that the end is near is that there is no shame. People sin openly and proudly today, and they have no fear of the Lord.
I can't speak for other Christian denominations, but I do know that the Catholic Church has dropped the ball badly when it comes to educating her members in the teachings of the Scriptures and the Church. We have far too many bureaucrats, clerics, and religious, who are more concerned about the things of this world, like being popular, money, power etc. And the Catholic Church has suffered greatly as a result.
I think the only thing certain to turn things around is prayer. Then along with that we need a lot of good people to step forward and demand that the children be taught the Faith instead of fun and games.

To xOxOx,

If you thought you were accurate in your last remarks about God killing babies, or God telling people to kill their children to prove they, "Love Him more, you couldn't be further from the truth.

Will you give me chapter and verse so I can educate myself on what you wrote about.

I know of one incident in the scritpures, and a baby or child, was never killed.

You were pretty emphatic about what you wrote, PLEASE, enlighten us with the book, chapter, and verses detailing God's instructions on killing children (pl)

I have an overwhelming feeling you won't be able to do what I have asked, so instead, you will either dissapear, or attack me for even asking you the question.

I am assuming you are a bible scholar, due to the boldness with which you offered your rant.

I will await anxiously your reply.

Minnesota Mary wrote:

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Earl, I think that the reason there are so many pro-choice "Christians" is because they have chosen to serve "mammon" and not God. Our Lord said it in Matthew 6:24.
"You cannot be a slave to two masters; you will hate one and love the other; you will be loyal to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." (Today's English Version)
Then along with that we need a lot of good people to step forward and demand that the children be taught the Faith instead of fun and games.

I'm sure you're right. So many programs that used to educate are now entertainment hours. Our after school program is little more than a free babysitting session. The latest fad in worship is basically sound-bites instead of deep preaching. We need to get back to the basics of Christianity.

earlpittsamurican wrote:

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I'm sure you're right. So many programs that used to educate are now entertainment hours. Our after school program is little more than a free babysitting session. The latest fad in worship is basically sound-bites instead of deep preaching. We need to get back to the basics of Christianity.

Yes, we do!

Tom D wrote:

To xOxOx,
If you thought you were accurate in your last remarks about God killing babies, or God telling people to kill their children to prove they, "Love Him more, you couldn't be further from the truth.
Will you give me chapter and verse so I can educate myself on what you wrote about.
I know of one incident in the scritpures, and a baby or child, was never killed.
You were pretty emphatic about what you wrote, PLEASE, enlighten us with the book, chapter, and verses detailing God's instructions on killing children (pl)
I have an overwhelming feeling you won't be able to do what I have asked, so instead, you will either dissapear, or attack me for even asking you the question.
I am assuming you are a bible scholar, due to the boldness with which you offered your rant.
I will await anxiously your reply.

God kills babies every day through miscarriages. Sorry if that hurts your closed mind, but it's a fact.

I believe God asked Isaac to kill his son to prove his love and devotion to him.

In God's own words. "I am a jealous God".
Also, God's words "Love is not jealous".

So God's actions towards us are not always guided by love, are they? In fact, his word is a series of contradictions.

First of all, It was Abraham who God asked to sacrifice his son. Second, God had no intention for the boy to die. Abraham would have either said "No" and the boy would have lived or did what he did and showed his obedience. God stopped him at the last moment as was His intention.

God's actions are always in love. Sometimes those actions are not what we consider love, but it's always for our own good. When you were young, I'm sure you didn't agree with your parents all the time. But what they wanted for you was only the best.

As far as miscarriages, tornadoes, fires, etc., humans have no idea why those happen and if anyone tells you they do, they are liars. I'm not going to make a fool of myself and try to explain something that is beyond my feeble little brain.

to : XOXOX
The Bible story you are speaking about is Genesis 22. God ask Abraham to sacrific his son,Isaac to prove his love to The Lord. Of course, God didn't allow it to happen. Also, why do people blame God for bad things that happen to them ? Why not blame satin? As for God being jealous - He wants to be our Only God, always first in our lives. Please go back and read His Holy Book - you might learn somthing important. Love and peace

x0x0x wrote:

<quoted text>God kills babies every day through miscarriages. Sorry if that hurts your closed mind, but it's a fact.
I believe God asked Isaac to kill his son to prove his love and devotion to him.
In God's own words. "I am a jealous God".
Also, God's words "Love is not jealous".
So God's actions towards us are not always guided by love, are they? In fact, his word is a series of contradictions.

You have already received good responses from earl and mammy concerning Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son. The only thing I can add is, that God now knew Abraham would obey him, and God also sacrificed his own son for us. This is the extent of his love for us.

What I really wanted to respond to is your statement: "God kills babies every day through miscarriages. Sorry if that hurts your closed mind, but it's a fact."
God could allow every baby to be born whole. Maybe there is a good reason he doesn't. Some reasons may be:
1. Health problems of one or both parents. Are the parents at fault? possibly. They may not be taking care of their health.
2. But maybe the food processors are. Maybe the water has poisons in it like flourides and chlorene to render the bacteria inert.
3. Or maybe improper farming methods have poisoned the water or filth in the water streams underground.
4. Greed among the various factors of society are probably causes.
God has created us to obey him in order to have healthy babies.
You have not accused the abortion industry of killing unborn babies. I wonder why not? You might think about that before you accuse God of killing babies.

x0x0x wrote:

<quoted text>God kills babies every day through miscarriages. Sorry if that hurts your closed mind, but it's a fact.
I believe God asked Isaac to kill his son to prove his love and devotion to him.
In God's own words. "I am a jealous God".
Also, God's words "Love is not jealous".
So God's actions towards us are not always guided by love, are they? In fact, his word is a series of contradictions.

You have already received good responses from earl and mammy concerning Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son. The only thing I can add is, that God now knew Abraham would obey him, and God also sacrificed his own son for us. This is the extent of his love for us.

What I really wanted to respond to is your statement: "God kills babies every day through miscarriages. Sorry if that hurts your closed mind, but it's a fact."
God could allow every baby to be born whole. Maybe there is a good reason he doesn't. Some reasons may be:
1. Health problems of one or both parents. Are the parents at fault? possibly. They may not be taking care of their health.
2. But maybe the food processors are. Maybe the water has poisons in it like flourides and chlorene to render the bacteria inert.
3. Or maybe improper farming methods have poisoned the water or filth in the water streams underground.
4. Greed among the various factors of society are probably causes.
God has created us to obey him in order to have healthy babies.
You have not accused the abortion industry of killing unborn babies. I wonder why not? You might think about that before you accuse God of killing babies.

earlpittsamurican wrote:

First of all, It was Abraham who God asked to sacrifice his son. Second, God had no intention for the boy to die. Abraham would have either said "No" and the boy would have lived or did what he did and showed his obedience. God stopped him at the last moment as was His intention.
God's actions are always in love. Sometimes those actions are not what we consider love, but it's always for our own good. When you were young, I'm sure you didn't agree with your parents all the time. But what they wanted for you was only the best.
As far as miscarriages, tornadoes, fires, etc., humans have no idea why those happen and if anyone tells you they do, they are liars. I'm not going to make a fool of myself and try to explain something that is beyond my feeble little brain.

That is why I said " I believe..." because I wasn't sure and frankly I don't care. To ask someone to kill their child to prove their love is pathetic. Like I said, if God is love and love is not jealous then God should not be jealous of Abrahams love for his son or it means he does not love Abraham.

Of course, once again this topic is so off topic it's scary.

A priest doesn't have the right to ask a parishner to refrain from receiving the sacraments unless he himself is void of sin which we know only God is infallible. This woman did not have an abortion therefore has not murdered any babies. Funny how priests hear the nastiest details in confession but still allow everyone to receive communion including murderers, rapists, PEDOPHILES etc.
But God forbid a WOMAN steps out of line and POW!

Considering their obsession with Mary, you would think they would respect woman more.

The fact that this organization is involving itself in politics should be very interesting to the IRS. Hopefully they will nail them where it hurts-in their wallets.

Rick op wrote:

<quoted text>You have already received good responses from earl and mammy concerning Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son. The only thing I can add is, that God now knew Abraham would obey him, and God also sacrificed his own son for us. This is the extent of his love for us.
What I really wanted to respond to is your statement: "God kills babies every day through miscarriages. Sorry if that hurts your closed mind, but it's a fact."
God could allow every baby to be born whole. Maybe there is a good reason he doesn't. Some reasons may be:
1. Health problems of one or both parents. Are the parents at fault? possibly. They may not be taking care of their health.
2. But maybe the food processors are. Maybe the water has poisons in it like flourides and chlorene to render the bacteria inert.
3. Or maybe improper farming methods have poisoned the water or filth in the water streams underground.
4. Greed among the various factors of society are probably causes.
God has created us to obey him in order to have healthy babies.
You have not accused the abortion industry of killing unborn babies. I wonder why not? You might think about that before you accuse God of killing babies.

Nope. It's God.

Mammy wrote:

to : XOXOX
The Bible story you are speaking about is Genesis 22. God ask Abraham to sacrific his son,Isaac to prove his love to The Lord. Of course, God didn't allow it to happen. Also, why do people blame God for bad things that happen to them ? Why not blame satin? As for God being jealous - He wants to be our Only God, always first in our lives. Please go back and read His Holy Book - you might learn somthing important. Love and peace

Loving your child is not worhipping them. That is not why God asked him to do such a sick thing. He was jealous. God can't BE LOVE if he is a jealous God because he himself said "Love is not jealous or boastful".

I know it's hard to hear contradictions in the Bible but don't shoot the messenger. I'm just pointing them out.

x0x0x wrote:

<quoted text>Loving your child is not worhipping them. That is not why God asked him to do such a sick thing. He was jealous. God can't BE LOVE if he is a jealous God because he himself said "Love is not jealous or boastful".
I know it's hard to hear contradictions in the Bible but don't shoot the messenger. I'm just pointing them out.

You need to learn to read the Bible, not read what others say about it, in context. When we use the word jealous, we use it in the sense of being envious of someone who has something we don't have.
God is NOT jealous or envious because someone has something He wants that He does not possess. Exodus 20:4-5 says, "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God..." Notice that in this verse God is talking about being jealous if someone gives something that belongs to Him to another. Worship belongs to him, not a carved image.
God loves you and is jealous if you are following a way that will eventually harm you. I don't know what your lifestyle is like, but it is, in effect, worshipping something false, whether it is materialism or another person. Can you understand this?

x0x0x wrote:

<quoted text>Loving your child is not worhipping them. That is not why God asked him to do such a sick thing. He was jealous. God can't BE LOVE if he is a jealous God because he himself said "Love is not jealous or boastful".
I know it's hard to hear contradictions in the Bible but don't shoot the messenger. I'm just pointing them out.

The only places in the Bible are where an error was made in a translation. In the original word of God, no errors existed. The only messenger pointing out so-called errors in the Bible, is the arch-enemy of God, Satan.

XoXoX,

I wrote:
"I know of one incident in the scritpures, and a baby or child, was never killed."

I now come in here and see how Rick op and Mammy have shown you how inaccurate you were.

You tried to wiggle out of what you said by offering some lame answer about Abraham. that was the one incident I mentioned.

But you said God gave his instructions on killing children (plural)

I asked you to provide the book, chapter, verse where I can find those instructions. You haven't.

For some reason you are filled with hatred towards God and those who worship Him.
I guarantee, if you would tear down the wall that is preventing you from all that is good and right, and wholesome.....and give God a chance (with an open mind) and just for grins attend a bible believing, Jesus preaching church, you will not be able to describe the weight that is lifted from the load you bear right now.

Seek out someone who you know and are comfortable with who is a die-hard Christian and just aks them to teach you whatever you have questions about.

Life is good if you aloow God in your life, and permit him to show you his love. It's all on you.

Tom D wrote:

XoXoX,
I wrote:
"I know of one incident in the scritpures, and a baby or child, was never killed."
I now come in here and see how Rick op and Mammy have shown you how inaccurate you were.
You tried to wiggle out of what you said by offering some lame answer about Abraham. that was the one incident I mentioned.
But you said God gave his instructions on killing children (plural)
I asked you to provide the book, chapter, verse where I can find those instructions. You haven't.
For some reason you are filled with hatred towards God and those who worship Him.
I guarantee, if you would tear down the wall that is preventing you from all that is good and right, and wholesome.....and give God a chance (with an open mind) and just for grins attend a bible believing, Jesus preaching church, you will not be able to describe the weight that is lifted from the load you bear right now.
Seek out someone who you know and are comfortable with who is a die-hard Christian and just aks them to teach you whatever you have questions about.
Life is good if you aloow God in your life, and permit him to show you his love. It's all on you.

Another poster gave you the verse you were looking for so go back and research. You seem like a nice person but don't worry about me and my doubts about God and his love. I still pray. I still believe but I'm not afraid to question or even doubt some of the facts presented in the Bible. Again, it is God's word but it was written by man who is biased, sinful, prejudiced, and imperfect.

Last time-Priests are sinners just like the sinners they are forbidding from taking the sacraments. That in itself is a sin.

The blind leading the blind is truly pathetic.

Nothing wrong with questioning your faith. Job did it. Paul even commended a Greek group, can't remember which ones right now, for asking lots of questions. Yes, I agree that priests are fallible humans just like us. The only one who can forgive sin is God. The Holy Spirit is our intercessor, not a priest. He can pray for us and he can forgive us if we've wronged him, but a priest has no ability to remove sin from you "as far as the east is from the west" like God does.

earlpittsamurican wrote:

Nothing wrong with questioning your faith. Job did it. Paul even commended a Greek group, can't remember which ones right now, for asking lots of questions. Yes, I agree that priests are fallible humans just like us. The only one who can forgive sin is God. The Holy Spirit is our intercessor, not a priest. He can pray for us and he can forgive us if we've wronged him, but a priest has no ability to remove sin from you "as far as the east is from the west" like God does.

Thank you for the backup. Your final phrase says it all! Let's just hope the ones doing the judging are listening.

x0x0x wrote:

<quoted text>Thank you for the backup. Your final phrase says it all! Let's just hope the ones doing the judging are listening.

Amen !!!

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The Republicans aren’t doing so well lately.
What could be wrong? Maybe...
The economy going in to the toilet...$3.80+ for gasoline... TWO BOTCHED WARS, giving our troops tanks without much armor, providing substandard treatment in VA hospitals, making the U.S. a country that’s known around the world for TORTURING PEOPLE, then lying about it, doing NEARLY NOTHING ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, preaching on morals, then getting caught having sex in airport bathrooms.

You forgot passing pork barrel bills full of taxpayer funded subsidies to millionaire farmers.