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Rush's place in politics is deep, for sure. But I don't think he is the leader of rank and file Republicans any longer. His days a conservative leader have been dninishing. He is way too over the top. Hannity isn't any better. No one wants to hear yelling, name calling, and no honest debate.

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Glenn Beck is a joke. Always was.

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I would hope any self respecting conservative would seek information from better sources than thoe talking heads.
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To hear Democrats (and much of the media) tell it, President Barack Obama is a man on the rebound.

There is a big problem with this Pollyanna punditry: There are a bunch of real-time numbers coming in that tell a much different tale.

In short, thereís a new Congressional Budget Office report that shows unemployment likely to climb to nearly 9 percent by the election, thereís polling data showing Obama tied or trailing Mitt Romney in the most important swing states (and doing only marginally better against Ron Paul), and there is mounting evidence that the assumption of a decisive Obama fundraising advantage for the fall might be flat wrong.

A new CBO report grabbed lots of headlines for projecting the deficit will top $1 trillion this year making Obama the first president ever to pile up $1 trillion or more every year in office. Thatís not great politics. But itís not even the worst news contained in the CBO report. The unemployment number is.

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DEMOCRATS will blame the deficit on Bush or anyone except Obama. You already know the talking points. Unemployment numbers are Bush's fault too. Funny thing, everyone here was prospering when Bush was in office and the day Obama was elected, the economy started failing.
I always wonder who elects these guys when common people do not trust them. Obama crushed our natural gas business for a couple of years. We are still trying to rebuild.

Obama has supposedly supported Artic harvesting of methane hydrates. If so, I applaud him. We need that fuel.
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In fact, it is a concerted effort on the part of the Democrats to hide the economy from peopleís attention. Like the Great Oz, the Democrats prefer no one pay attention to the economic disaster behind the curtains.

The goal of the campaign is to try to stay on that narrative focus and not get distracted by the team worried about losing. The Democratsí antics reveal they are deeply worried about losing. Obama cannot fight on the issue that is singularly at play in this election, Barack Obamaís bungling of the economy, so he will try to force Mitt Romney to play elsewhere. Point "Forward" and Blame is the new name to his game.

When the purchasing power of a dollar declines and unemployment is over eight percent, voters fire the incumbent. I strongly suspect they will fire Obama's ass too.
To hear Democrats (and much of the media) tell it, President Barack Obama is a man on the rebound. There is a big problem with this Pollyanna punditry: There are bunches of real-time numbers coming in that tell a much different tale.

In short, thereís a new Congressional Budget Office report that shows unemployment likely to climb to nearly 9 percent by the election, thereís polling data showing Obama tied or trailing Mitt Romney in the most important swing states (and doing only marginally better against Ron Paul), and there is mounting evidence that the assumption of a decisive Obama fundraising advantage for the fall might be flat wrong.

A new CBO report grabbed lots of headlines for projecting the deficit will top $1 trillion this year making Obama the first president ever to pile up $1 trillion or more every year in office. Thatís not great politics. But itís not even the worst news contained in the CBO report. The unemployment number is.
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Packing Heat wrote:
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Obama's policies are Cloward & Piven in action, use all the bad policy possible to cause the economy to collapse in on itself. The Planned destruction of America starring Barack Obama the fascist dictator in charge!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93...
collapsing the economy would cause him to lose the election next fall. Why would he do that? Even you seem to realize that if gas prices or unemployment are high he is damaged. You need to get your story straight.

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I wonder why dems always resist the label of Marxist, Leninist, Maoist, etc.. when it's very easy to read the platform of the politi-ocracies(my word) and see the template for what they stand for.
Redsonja2000 seems to accept it from a stand point of balance. It's true, we have welfare which is a socialist platform, I believe, from FDR's Great Society. That was not true to the intentions of our founding fathers, even though dems will reference 'common welfare.' Contextually, a nanny state was not intended. We have grown from a hand up to an expected hand out. It is institutional wards of the state mentality. I'm sure everyone sees how much money(tax) it would take to support that. I say it is unsupportable unless citizens are taxed like in England. You sacrifice the life you want to live to support the community at large.
If that sounds okay to you, then you are Marxist. Read what his philosophy says before you disagree oout of hand.
I couldn't care less how many countries are socialist. I only care that Americans are free and have the guaranteed liberty to go for the life they wish to live. No other country is as free as ours.
I would like all people who embrace socialism to move to Canada. It is so beautiful there. Live as a socialist there, not here. Let Americans be free.
Obamacare is a major step to creating a socialist society in America. It is one step MOST of us wanted dead to begin with.
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Packing Heat wrote:
To hear Democrats (and much of the media) tell it, President Barack Obama is a man on the rebound.
There is a big problem with this Pollyanna punditry: There are a bunch of real-time numbers coming in that tell a much different tale.
In short, thereís a new Congressional Budget Office report that shows unemployment likely to climb to nearly 9 percent by the election,....
you forgot to include a link.

here's a link for you:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
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DEMOCRATS will blame the deficit on Bush or anyone except Obama. You already know the talking points. Unemployment numbers are Bush's fault too. Funny thing, everyone here was prospering when Bush was in office and the day Obama was elected, the economy started failing.
the stock market crashed 6 months before Obama took office. For a year before Obama took office, millions of homes were being foreclosed every month. Did Obama have a time machine so he could make it happen?

Bush cut taxes to the bone and then started two wars. It bankrupted us. Live with it.

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Yes, the housing sham screwed us. Barney Frank ring any bells? Democrats were the cause of that failure.
Bush STARTED 2 wars? You don't think it was started by the people overseas? The cost of those wars has been staggering. Bush didn't start them, he stood up to protect this nation like Clinton should have done. Clinton cited the same intel about WMDs in Iraq that Bush referenced. Bush didn't fabricate. He acted on the same intel Clinton referenced in a speach an couple of years before.

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Speculators and ponzi schemers screwed the stock market. Many products were separated into extremely risky dirivatives. The stock market is nothing more than legalized gambling. Greed runs our fuel prices up more than anything else thrugh speculators.
But, business was confident when Bush was in office, so the economy grew.
Obama doesn't inspire confidence, or security, or anything that would build the economy. Look around. Common sense shows how badly he has effected our economy.
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Cocked Hat wrote:
I wonder why dems always resist the label of Marxist, Leninist, Maoist, etc.. when it's very easy to read the platform of the politi-ocracies(my word) and see the template for what they stand for.
socialism isn't marxism. I'm a democratic socialist as most Europeans are and that actually is the system we have here in the US. You can't run a modern society without it. All the countries who don't have a good balance of free enterprise and socialism are hell holes. Third world goat farms and failed states or dictatorships (sometimes called "kingdoms" so they don't sound so bad).
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I couldn't care less how many countries are socialist. I only care that Americans are free and have the guaranteed liberty to go for the life they wish to live. No other country is as free as ours.
actually, Denmark is far freer. They have the most liberal laws and least restrictions on personal freedom. They also have MUCH greater social mobility than we do. If you want to live the American dream you should move to Copenhagen.
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I would like all people who embrace socialism to move to Canada. It is so beautiful there. Live as a socialist there, not here. Let Americans be free.
Obamacare is a major step to creating a socialist society in America. It is one step MOST of us wanted dead to begin with.
Canada is a free country. Like Denmark, their laws are more liberal than ours (they don't bother with as big a drug "war"), and like Denmark have far fewer restrictions on their personal freedom. Their unemployment rate is lower than ours and their gdp growth rate is higher (theirs is 2.2% and ours is 1.5%). AND everyone has access to health care.(I get my figures from the CIA World Factbook. Argue with the CIA. I want to see you try.)

Obama has made NO steps to making us a more socialist society. "Obamacare" is not socialism. It's private insurance, with some people getting help with the premiums. It is the most expensive and least efficient way to get health care, but it does line the pockets of mega-corporations, so it's all good...right? Problem is, it leaves us paying TWICE what the British pay and it still doesn't cover everybody. We need EVERYBODY on Medicare and those of us with the means pay our insurance premiums as part of our tax bill.
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RedSonja2000 wrote:
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you forgot to include a link.
here's a link for you:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
Here is a better one for you. The story came from here:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/723...
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Packing Heat wrote:
In fact, it is a concerted effort on the part of the Democrats to hide the economy from peopleís attention. Like the Great Oz, the Democrats prefer no one pay attention to the economic disaster behind the curtains.
in that case, why does Obama talk about the economy all the time? It's the Rethugs who are trying to distract people with abortion, birth control and gay marriage.
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When the purchasing power of a dollar declines and unemployment is over eight percent, voters fire the incumbent. I strongly suspect they will fire Obama's ass too.
you guys would LOVE to see some inflation but there is none. Sorry. It's part of Ron Paul's favorite nightmare scenario except that it just keeps not happening.

You are right that they usually do fire the incumbent when times are bad but this time .... well, you guys ran a bunch of joke candidates and that hurt you. Now you are left with a Mormon in an empty suit who you don't trust as far as you can throw him. As far as your constituency is concerned he's a phony aristocrat liberal who belongs to a non-Christian cult. Yeah, your guys are going to turn out in droves to vote for HIM!
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Yes, the housing sham screwed us. Barney Frank ring any bells? Democrats were the cause of that failure.
Bush STARTED 2 wars? You don't think it was started by the people overseas? The cost of those wars has been staggering. Bush didn't start them, he stood up to protect this nation like Clinton should have done. Clinton cited the same intel about WMDs in Iraq that Bush referenced. Bush didn't fabricate. He acted on the same intel Clinton referenced in a speach an couple of years before.
Bush started them. Iraq was a monumentally expensive failure and so is Afghanistan. In every instance in the past there has been a war tax to pay for military operations. Not this time. Bush didn't ask for money for those wars, he kept them off the books so it would look like they were FREE! NO CHARGE! Instead of enacting a war tax he cut existing taxes and borrowed every dime he spent on those invasions.

Bush bankrupted us. I'm sure Obama and Clinton talked him into it and it's really all their fault. Boo-hoo.

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I don't live in Denmark or Canada. Our freedoms are lost as each liberal politician is elected. Obamacare is socialist. How can you say it isn't? It is disengenuous to say it's not. When everyone is forced to pay for something that 2/3s of the populace said no to, you have begun to see the rule of the king. We are a representative democracy, not a dictatorship. You put everyone on forced healthcare, then follow that with the next subjecting scheme like hyperinflation or gun control, and viola, the citizens no longer have the power to resist.
Look at pre WWII Germany's policys under Hitler. They were great sociaist programs for a while.

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I agree with you about Romney. He won't win.

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Wow, you're retarded. Bush didn't start any wars. He engaged a war that was started years before. Denial is a wonderful way to argue a point.

The war tax...yeah, maybe you're right. But Bush didn't bankrupt us. I agree, he spent way too much on horse crap programs. I think he sgned everything that crossed his desk. However, you and I both know how much money is generated during wartime through contracts and hiring. It was a boon to our economy in many ways. People were spending, further fueling the economy. Businesses haven't been hiring well for a couple of years. They don't trust Obama or his policies so they probably won't be hiring for a while. People aren't spending because the economy is so shaky. No one wants to spend then lose a job they can't replace. I saw a report last week about how people are going years without a job.
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Wow, you're retarded. Bush didn't start any wars. He engaged a war that was started years before. Denial is a wonderful way to argue a point.
The war tax...yeah, maybe you're right. But Bush didn't bankrupt us. I agree, he spent way too much on horse crap programs. I think he sgned everything that crossed his desk. However, you and I both know how much money is generated during wartime through contracts and hiring. It was a boon to our economy in many ways. People were spending, further fueling the economy. Businesses haven't been hiring well for a couple of years. They don't trust Obama or his policies so they probably won't be hiring for a while. People aren't spending because the economy is so shaky. No one wants to spend then lose a job they can't replace. I saw a report last week about how people are going years without a job.
Just like Buffet says, a good businessman does business in any environment.

I don't see to many of the big business suffering. In fact many are reporting record profits. And those profits were realized in many cases moving jobs overseas, or taking it off the back of their workers. Salaries for workers have declined while profit margins have increased.

The Republican prescription for an economy they destroyed was austerity. Looking at the rest of the countries that followed the course of debt reduction in a depression, it wasn't the way to go, since it resulted in greater job loss, a larger deficit and the job loss of the leaders that swallowed the whole deficit talk.

And no matter how you want to argue it, the economy started sliding with the Bush tax cuts. And the unfunded wars, no matter who started them or why.

And we are far from bankrupt.

1.Federal Reserve and Intragovernmental Holdings
U.S. debt holdings:$6.328 trillion

Thatís right, the biggest single holder of U.S. government debt is inside the United States and includes the Federal Reserve system and other intergovernmental holdings.

2. China U.S. debt holdings:$1.132 trillion

The largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasury securities, China currently has $1.132 trillion in American debt, although it is down from all time highs of $1.173 trillion in July 2011.

3. Investors/Savings Bonds U.S. debt holdings $1.107 trillion

With the most recent numbers from June 2011, this extremely diverse group includes individuals, government-sponsored enterprises, brokers and dealers, bank personal trusts, estates, savings bonds, corporate and noncorporate businesses for a total of $1.107 trillion."

That's right, most of our debt is owned by us!

And most of our trading partners, which are Europeans whose economy followed the austerity prescription, are in the toilet too. And that had nothing to do with Obama.

And if you knew anything about Economics, you would know the prescription for it is Keynesian. Which would be MORE stimulus. It's not like we don't need to upgrade our infrastructure and build a new electrical grid. The only thing stopping our economy from improving is a party bent on making the Prez a one term President this means everything:

"When Hating Obama trumps love of country" all else is futile."

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