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Facts r facts wrote: There were 12 charges against him in Fairfax, including eight for grand larceny, three for failure to pay or return goods, and a probation violation, Sgt. Kevin Thornhill said. The disposition of those charges was unclear.
Court records show that in 2006, White was charged with first-degree assault and armed robbery; the case was dropped. Last year, he pleaded guilty to drug possession.
In December 2006, when Howard police found him and a loaded 9mm pistol in a car in Columbia, White said that the gun was his and that he had a good reason for carrying it, according to court records.
The gun was "for protection," he told a Howard police officer. A lot of people were "after" him, said White, who was living in Southeast Washington at the time.
In March 2007, he and another man were arrested in Laurel after Prince George's police stopped the car they were in and found about 15 baggies of crack cocaine as well as several grams of marijuana. Howard also had an open warrant for a robbery charge. Findley was part of the crew to arrest him.
White stayed in jail until September, when he pleaded guilty to one of the drug charges. He was given a suspended sentence and placed on probation, court records show. He also pleaded guilty to a handgun charge in the Howard case
When Findley approached the pickup Friday afternoon, White was on probation and faced the prospect of being sent back to jail.
According to the charging documents filed by Detective Thomas K. Lancaster, a passenger in the truck identified White as the driver.
Didn't want to go back to jail, so kill the man who put me there in the first place. You race card players stick with the constitution that let this animal back out. Justice finally prevails I am not arguing that White was a good guy. I am arguing that our rights under the law do not extend only to good guys. The law is only worth anything when it is applied to everyone -- even those who have been in trouble since they were kids. We cannot have a society that works if we decide guilt or innocence without due process. That's not the way our laws are written, and there is good reason for that. Without law there is anarchy. Our system is flawed, yes. But a flawed system does not excuse murder.
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Jen Hussein wrote: <quoted text>
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The law is only worth anything when it is applied to everyone
... I agree with what you say in principle. The challenge of course is that it is typically not applied, when it should be, according to the law. Justice is anything but blind. The death penalty is rarely sought, even though we have very clear laws defining when it 'can' or 'should' be sought. A really good question is "Would White have been charged with the death penalty?" http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php... I'd be willing to bet that Ray Paternoster would say "asbolutely yes" if this crime had been committed in Baltimore County. I'd think he'd say 'maybe' if this crime was committed where it was. I think he'd say, probably not, if this crime was committed in either Howard or Montgomery county. Pay particular attention to what he says about geography playing a role.
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http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php... I wonder if these folks on the board of directors would have suggested that the penalty should or shoudn't have been applied to Mr. White in this case.
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“Hey”
Joined: Nov 25, 2007
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Jen, Here are three questions. How many black on black murders, where charges were brought, have occurred in PG county since Paternoster's (et al) report was released? How many of those cases were death penalty eligible? How many of those cases went to court as capital murder trials? http://www.nacdl.org/sl_docs.nsf/a1bf9dda2190...
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REALity wrote: So you ARE a 27 percenter, eh?! If not, you would have proudly said otherwise. As a 27 percenter, your opinions are irrelevant.....
<quoted text> Never said that. Just because I don't feel the need to shove my politics down anyone's throat is not indicative of my affiliation. Once you graduate college and get into the real world, you'll learn that trying to push your beliefs on others is, at best, useless, but normally just annoying. Back to the point at hand--I have little sympathy for this dirt bag. Yes, I am a supporter of due process, but when the crime is this heinous, and his guilt is this obvious, I believe that we can all stop throwing the 'what ifs' around about his potential innocence. If you choose to lead a thugs life, you may just die a thugs death. Life is funny how it works like that.....
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Jen Hussein wrote: <quoted text>
...But a flawed system does not excuse murder. My point is that our flawed system typically does excuse murder...without the due process you suggest needs to be applied.
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peteoo wrote: <quoted text>
My point is that our flawed system typically does excuse murder...without the due process you suggest needs to be applied. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. I looked at the report you posted, and it seemed to suggest that when a white person is murdered it is more likely that the death penalty will be pursued. I don't see the relevance to this case. In general, I am opposed to the death penalty. But that does not mean that I am pro-crime or pro-criminal. What happened to Mr. White was not the death penalty. It was murder. What happened to Officer Findley was murder. But the officer and his family were denied justice when the lead suspect was murdered, and the posts here (and I don't mean yours in particular) seem to be suggesting that White shouldn't have justice either. Two wrongs -- or two crimes, or two murders -- do not make a right.
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NYers SUCK wrote: hey HUSSEIN...
it's possible to commit suicide by crushing your own windpide... did you ever think their is no crime? maybe this thug killed himself!!
maybe you can charge the cops kids with a crime No, I did not think that there was no crime. And, no, I have nothing but sympathy for Officer Findley's children. I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing. Do you believe that Ronnie White committed suicide? He was found strangled in his cell. Seriously, you think your argument holds water?
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Jen Hussein wrote: <quoted text>
He was found strangled in his cell. Seriously, you think your argument holds water? The cause of death was listed as asphyation, not strangling.
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When you go to college and get a professional degree or two, THEN you can come back with your "Once you graduate college and get into the real world....." nonsense. YOU have no clue if the supposed offender's "guilt was obvious", which makes you are part of the problem! Reality wrote: <quoted text>
Never said that. Just because I don't feel the need to shove my politics down anyone's throat is not indicative of my affiliation. Once you graduate college and get into the real world, you'll learn that trying to push your beliefs on others is, at best, useless, but normally just annoying.
Back to the point at hand--I have little sympathy for this dirt bag. Yes, I am a supporter of due process, but when the crime is this heinous, and his guilt is this obvious, I believe that we can all stop throwing the 'what ifs' around about his potential innocence.
If you choose to lead a thugs life, you may just die a thugs death. Life is funny how it works like that.....
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cant resist wrote: <quoted text>
The cause of death was listed as asphyation, not strangling. The cause of death may have been listed as asphyxiation, but he was "found strangled in his cell." I'm quoting from the article.
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REALity wrote: When you go to college and get a professional degree or two, THEN you can come back with your "Once you graduate college and get into the real world....." nonsense. YOU have no clue if the supposed offender's "guilt was obvious", which makes you are part of the problem!
<quoted text> You're right--multiple eyewitnesses, the offender behind the wheel, etc., etc. Definitely not enough to go on. As in a previous post, you really don't want to begin to compare education, etc. I was actually giving you some credit--most adults, having been out in the real world and fending for themselves, are not as ludicrously idealistic as you appear to be from your earlier comments. Also, you began to veer off of the topic when you decided to throw your (unrelated and way off the mark) political commentary into your post. I have no issue with someone who firmly believes that this person deserved better than they received. We can respectfully disagree on that point all day long. Trying to tie this event to current political leadership is unfounded and erroneous. Have a pleasant day.
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I can hear Ronnie White's Momma, aunt or who ever " My baby was such a good baby, he did not do nothing wrong. He be set up and taken away" Ka-ching Ka-ching, with the help of the ACLU, jesse, and Al, his family is to be the next millionaire family of Maryland. This thug deserved to be taken out of society. As his rap sheet shows, he was nothing but a menace to society.
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yessa masta wrote: <quoted text>so, what you people are saying is, that it's ok to take the law into your own hands, so if that is ok, then by the same token it would be ok for that guys people to to kill the guards, because make no mistake , their guilt in this murder is even more clearer, then mr. whites guilt. so where does it stop? when everybody is dead? Point blank, what these Guards did was wrong. Well there Mr. Perfect, I would like for you to volumteer and let these useless members of society live with you.
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Mike Baltimore wrote: And guess what? His lawyer, and family will be MILLIONAIRS, at OUR ex pence. You know its going to happen. damn i wish they used the money to teach you how to spell.whata dummy
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yessa masta wrote: <quoted text>so, what you people are saying is, that it's ok to take the law into your own hands, so if that is ok, then by the same token it would be ok for that guys people to to kill the guards, because make no mistake , their guilt in this murder is even more clearer, then mr. whites guilt. so where does it stop? when everybody is dead? Point blank, what these Guards did was wrong. yessa masta, there are certain instances when we should forgo a lengthy and expensive trial.
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Jen Hussein wrote: <quoted text>
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. I looked at the report you posted, and it seemed to suggest that when a white person is murdered it is more likely that the death penalty will be pursued.
I don't see the relevance to this case.
In general, I am opposed to the death penalty. But that does not mean that I am pro-crime or pro-criminal.
What happened to Mr. White was not the death penalty. It was murder. What happened to Officer Findley was murder. But the officer and his family were denied justice when the lead suspect was murdered, and the posts here (and I don't mean yours in particular) seem to be suggesting that White shouldn't have justice either.
Two wrongs -- or two crimes, or two murders -- do not make a right. Jen, When you dig deeper into Paternoster's study on the death penalty and its application, you'll find that the likelihood of bringing capital murder charges is extremely small, in almost all counties in Maryland, with the exception of Baltimore county. You are arguing that no one should be taking the law into their own hands. The lawyers and state's attorney's in almost all counties flagrantly ignore the law and do not (typically) bring capital murder charges when they should. I'm saying that I agree, no one should be above the law, and decide to invoke their own sense of justice. That includes the state's attorney's who seldom bring capital murder charges to bear even when it is very clear that they have the evidence necessary to do so. I suspect if a guard did strangle White, perhaps his/her frustration with the lack blind application of justice is a possible cause. The only reason that Paternoster's report holds water when you look at the headlines of it (2/3 of death penalty population is black and death penalty more likely to be applied when victim is white), is because capital murder charges are not brought to bear when their is a high incidence of black on black crimes. Its all in Paternoster's report. You have to look beyond the headlines. I suspect many would believe that Findley and his family would never get justice because capital murder charges would never be filed. White should have gotten justice. In all likelihood he wouldn't though, because there are people in high positions of authority who refuse to enforce the laws we have on the books.
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Jen Hussein wrote: <quoted text>
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here..... You don't need to read the whole thing. http://www.newsdesk.umd.edu/pdf/finalrep.pdf First paragraph: "There have been suggestions in the past that the imposition of the death penalty in Maryland has been influenced by factors such as race and the particular legal jurisdiction where the homicide occurred. Critics have pointed to the racial composition of Maryland’s death row as evidence that there is racial disparity in the operation of the death penalty in the state. For example, in December of 2002 all thirteen men on Maryland’s death row were sentenced to death for killing whites and in eight of these thirteen (62%) the offender was black.1 In fact, since 1978, when the state’s new death penalty statute took effect, there have been no fewer than four investigations into the administration of the death penalty in Maryland, with at least some emphasis on the issues of racial disparity and arbitrariness (geographic disparity)." You can skim and peruse it and figure out exactly what I'm saying. By the way...the guards know this because they live it...not because of what they read in a report. I'm not excusing it. I am analyzing it. "In 1996...“[t]he high percentage of African-American prisoners under sentence of death and the low percentage of prisoners under sentence of death whose victims were African-American remains a cause for concern”.5 The basis of this conclusion was the finding that of the seventeen condemned persons then on Maryland’s death row, fourteen (82%) were African American and the victims of the homicides included sixteen whites and 6 African-Americans."
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"From an initial pool of approximately 6,000 homicides, these two criteria produced a
universe of 1,311 death eligible cases."
"Out of these 1,311 death eligible cases, state’s attorneys filed
a formal notification to seek the death penalty in 353 (27%). Although 353 notifications
to seek death were filed, 140 (40%) were withdrawn by the state’s attorneys either
unilaterally or (most often) with a plea by the defendant. A death notification was
retained or “stuck” in 213 (60%) cases. Out of these 213 cases where a death notification
was filed and retained, 180 (84%) were advanced to a penalty trial."
"From 180 penalty trials, a death sentence was obtained in 76
cases (42%)."
"The conditional probability of a death sentence given that a case was death
15 For each case reviewed, the number of panel attorneys ranged from 5 to 10.
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eligible was .058 (76/1,311), the conditional probability of a death sentence given that a
death notification has been filed and “sticks” was .357."
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"Death eligible defendants in Baltimore City and
Prince George’s County are significantly less likely to be sentenced to death while those
in Baltimore County are significantly more likely to be sentenced to death."
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