Developers pull plans for New Mexico ghost town

AGGIES08 wrote:

Mayor Ken and the black boot council have learned from their Mentor and Chief - Maobama!
Stay tuned for another Solyndra affair - with
Mayor Ken and company saying we just did not
know when they get taken to the bank of course
it will be our 600 million dollars that got
blown.

And your source for this being public monies expended is???

These developers have got to be the same people planning this f--'ed up town and all of the bridges to now where. They must be the same people planning the downtown. Las Cruces is basically a ghost town. Retired, retarded, the learning and a few workers. Looks much like the city workers, one worker and many watching.

Who elected this jack-ss? Miyagishima? What has he done for Las Cruces in all of his terms? Built 3 govt bldgs. What else? Introduced traffic ticketing system. What else? Companies here because of this guy? Growth? Reitrees? That's the wrong growth. Wherre are the jobs mr. Miyagi? What have you done? Wax on wax off? Zero equals zero?

dikchade wrote:

These developers have got to be the same people planning this f--'ed up town and all of the bridges to now where. They must be the same people planning the downtown. Las Cruces is basically a ghost town. Retired, retarded, the learning and a few workers. Looks much like the city workers, one worker and many watching.

You truly have no concept of what the town is about and its funding, do you?

Educaate CornGods. What's the the town about? Talk to me about funding. Share your great knowledge. From where I see it and have seen it for a long time, the goal of this town is to attract retired people, have a university and pray that WSMR doesn't go away.

Build bridges and they will come ... Las cruces field of dreams ... Who to give credit to? Susanna?

Las cruces is a great and exciting place, you just have to look carefully or you'll miss it.

CornDogz wrote:

<quoted text>
You truly have no concept of what the town is about and its funding, do you?

You certainly don't. You seem to think that as long as tax money is not spent then all is peachy. But you seem to forget that both public and state land was to be traded/sold/given to the project. And unlike other industry on public land that simply leases the land and reclaims it after the project is over this develper was seeking clear title along with mineral rights that would be worth many times the value of the suface estate.

The funding for the construction of the actual buildings and streets in this town were about 60% private funds and 40% low interest loans from the corrupt NMFA backed by YOUR TAX DOLLARS. And the land that was being sold/traded was worth many times what the developer was willing to pay for it. When the Federal Government refused to give it away the deal fell through.

So your taxpayer subsidized "town with no people" did not fly because they could not have their own producing oil wells for free. Too bad for people like you who support Government subsidized business and industry. If they want to build a "Ghost Town" they will just have to purchase property and pay full price just like everyone else. And if they want BLM oil leases they will just have to bid on them in the yearly sale like every one else. This BS of political insiders getting special favors and gifts from the people's wealth must stop.

Again, if they are interested in the "Ghost Town" project they can buy land for that in one of the other locations they said was suitable. They can also settle for the surface estate as none of their scope would include any drilling or exploration. The mere fact that they backed out when they could not grab the mineral rights to blue chip oil leases pretty much exposes what they were really after.

Corn Dog seems to think it is O.K. to squander America's mineral resources. As long as someone pays a fair price for the surface estate all the oil under the ground should be theirs for free. And the loss of the revenue to the State when these leases dissappear can be made up for by raising taxes a little on businesses and citizens. After all the people own most of the vast oil reserves in the west and this should be used by politicians and big business to enrich themselves, right?

Corn Dog thinks the peopkle should not question the "experts" in the government. As long as someone from the State says it is "O.K." then he is just happy with things. On the other hand I see where our politicians are fleecing us good and where their handlers are getting away with millions of dollars in public assets. No, it is not all "funds". As a matter of fact "dollars" are very difficult to divert to supporters and are easily traceable. It is the giveaway of millions in public assets that is causing this country problems. It is difficult for people like Corn Dog to understand so he will deny it is happening to avoid having to look ignorant. That is really good for the politicians to have deniers like thius as it is the only thing that allows them to get by with what they do.

Pegasus was willing to pay about 12.5 million for about 30 million dollars worth of assets. Regardless of whether "tax money" was being used or not it was a big ripoff for the people under the guise of "creating jobs". As long as sheep are bleating in favor of giving away our public wealth to private interest there will be profit for the bigwigs.

CornDogz wrote:

<quoted text>
You truly have no concept of what the town is about and its funding, do you?

You have no concept of what town this poster is talking about do you?

HINT - IT IS LAS CRUCES.

Bedrock Bob wrote:

<quoted text>
You have no concept of what town this poster is talking about do you?
HINT - IT IS LAS CRUCES.

Oh lookie, a TROLL from AL.

Bedrock Bob wrote:

<quoted text>
You certainly don't. You seem to think that as long as tax money is not spent then all is peachy.

That's right BedBug, its fine by me as long as public monies are not expended. If they are then they need to be closely scrutinized and the project well vetted publicly first. I don't wish to delve into private business nor tell them how to go about their private ventures, but then bedbugs bother everyone don't they<G>?

Anything else you'd like to know before you crawl back into your mattress fold with your mota?

If LC doesn't want it, maybe they'll move north to Abq's far west and built it there - WELCOME!!

butthead wrote:

Las cruces is a great and exciting place, you just have to look carefully or you'll miss it.

Are you one of LCs local TROLLS or just the common everyday uneducated variety?

Las cruces is the ghost town and with congress threatening to cut massively into defense, expect wsmr to shrink due to sequestration. If wsmr dies, las cruces dies too. Thanx for the ghost town info, crooked deals happen daily. No surprise. THe point is that this might as well be a ghost town, building bridges all over the place with hopes that they will come? I'd worry more about getting rid of the useless city council and this worthless mayor. While they make their dirty deals, real companies are picking el paso over this town. The people's money here is small, it would be a better deal if we were talking about all the companies coming to las cruces. Again, this place is a place for retired, college learners and the reatrds that run the town.

Cornholio,
I am one of the educated variety that is fing with u, yanking ur little chain and u seem to respond well. Really, LC is a dump. The ghost town project is a joke just like the spaceport. LC is dependent on a few things for survival: WSMR (in serious trouble, have lost over 40 percent of their business over 4 yrs), NASA (getting outsourced, so expect it to disappear), NMSU (significant, but in trouble as well, funding issues, enrollment issues, regents agreeing to increase tuition), and retirees with money. With congrss forcing sequestration of funds on contractors and govt projects, expect it to seriously hurt LCs already struggling economy. In short, after a bit, only the retirees will be able to purchase the outrageously over priced homes in LC. In case no one has told Las Crucens, the housing market took a dump a few yrs ago and there is nothing here to justify california type pricing for homes. Assuming things go bad, expect mass unemployment and the ability for all las crucens to learn how to say to the richies that bought everything up here, "would u like fries with that". Really, this place is too poor to be going off on these crazy ghost town boondoggles or spaceports and unnecessary bridges to no place. If you build it, they won't come, look at the piles of bridges on hwy 70. Not needed.

CornDogz wrote:

<quoted text>
That's right BedBug, its fine by me as long as public monies are not expended. If they are then they need to be closely scrutinized and the project well vetted publicly first. I don't wish to delve into private business nor tell them how to go about their private ventures, but then bedbugs bother everyone don't they<G>?
Anything else you'd like to know before you crawl back into your mattress fold with your mota?
If LC doesn't want it, maybe they'll move north to Abq's far west and built it there - WELCOME!!

What part of "public wealth IS being expended" do you not understand? We dont just give away millions in oil royalties at no cost to every developer with a cockamamy idea that comes down the pike. I am happy the deal did not go through and I will be very surprised if they even pursue any other location.

I have no gripes at all with a project that does not leech off the public teat. If they want to go forward with their project then they can pay a fair price for land. If they want oil leases they should have to pay for those too. They felt they should get a few million of the public's oil wealth for nothing and when they could not they ran like thieves from the closing table.

Our governmnet did their job and protected the people's wealth. They refused to give away oil leases for nothing and Corn Dog is pouty about it. If the project is viable it will find another home, hopefully in Las Cruces. If it is not viable without the oil leases then it was a scam to begin with. There shuould be no reason that this project should receive subsurface rights without having to deal for them. Our Sate felt that they could relinquish oil rights to the developers in lieu of "the jobs it would create". The Feds just didn't see it that way and said "No" to the sale of the subsurface estate.

The people have supported enough giveaways of wealth. The government should not parlay oil leases or mineral rights as "bonuses" for big business. This is nothing but government subsidized business and our politicians buying favors from powerful people by trading public wealth and putting it in private hands. The oil leases guarantee that the investors will make money EVEN IF THE GHOST TOWN VENTURE FAILS. Let the venture sink or swim on its own merits and using its own resources. And if they want to make that oil money let them compete for the leases like everyone else.

Sure seems funny that they won't close on the "Ghost Town" without getting oil rights for nothing. That may not seem too strange in Corn Dogs little world but to everyone else involved with the deal it is pretty plain why they backed out. It was a done deal until they could not get the oil. And I bet anyone a smooth $100 bill they will not even consider any other location and the "Ghost Town" was just an attempt to snap up a few oil leases with a very small investment of capital.

'Betcha we never hear another thing about this idea that was supposed to bring so much prosperity our way!

dikchade wrote:

Educaate CornGods. What's the the town about? Talk to me about funding. Share your great knowledge. From where I see it and have seen it for a long time, the goal of this town is to attract retired people, have a university and pray that WSMR doesn't go away.

You nailed it. To create jobs that pay with checks from either the State of New Mexico or the United States of America. And to lean heavy on any private businesses or entrpreneurs if any manage to flourish.

Even the businesses that do exist are often reliant on State and Federal contracts/business for survival. The few other businesses/employers are Wal-Mart and chain stores. After the economy tanked and there were a lot of empty buildings that Cartel money went to work and now a whole buch of commercial property and businesses are financed by wrinkled $20 bills that have been stored in a warehouse near Deming for 10 years.

I bet not 1 out of 100 people in Las Cruces actually support a healthy local economy and don't swap spit with the Government or the Cartels. And as far as the economy goes the Government probably does LESS to spur new business than the drug money.

Las Cruces is a neat place but the strategy has always been to bring wealth in rather than make it here. New Mexicans can sure attract the wealthy from all over the world, but we cant seeem to make a nickel for ourselves. Our State and local leaders are directly to blame in my opinion. They have been greedy and lazy and have not represented the people well.

Sometimes when I eat a corn dog the greasy fried coating will release from the weenie stuffed inside. This leaves you holding a stick in your hand with a wiener on it, and the greasy sheath for that wiener generally falls on the toe of my cowboy boot.

At that point it is no longer a corn dog. So my conclusion is that if you took the big wiener out of a corn dog that all you would have left is a sheath for a wiener. Just a greasy, fried sheath for a wiener. Nothing else.

So you might say that even though Corn Dog is stuffed full of wiener, it is the only thing that makes him what he is. If he was not stuffed full of wiener, he would just be a greasy wiener sheath. Nothing more.

We all tend to get wrapped around the axle on things instead of putting our heads together to come up with solutions that work. We know that the politicians are super corrupt and are doing favors for their friends. Why else would a semi-talented talker take a low paying job if he were not going to make up jis money multitudes over. These guys may not get kickbacks while in office, but I'm sure a swiss bank account holds money awaiting their departure. No one gets into politics to serve. It is all about how much can I steal and not get caught. Note many politicians are lawyers, who better to find loopholes.

Corndogs, cornholes, popcorn, canned corn, homnie, they are all edible by some, not I.

butthead wrote:

Cornholio,
I am one of the educated variety that is fing with u, yanking ur little chain and u seem to respond well. Really, LC is a dump. The ghost town project is a joke just like the spaceport.

The spaceport used all manner of public funding and will in the end be a money pit and millstone about the necks of NM taxpayers.

So far the ghost town doesn't involve public monies. If it remains a private project, why would you care what they do, seriously?

The town and its people are their own responsibility, they hold the key to their future, whatever it is. As long as the ghost town remains a private venture it can only be a boon to the local economy there. Is that a bad thing?

JDHouse wrote:

The whole thing is a scam. Read the Santa Fe New Mexican article. 2 of their three "offices" are just mail box drops. Richardson told them to get lost a few years back. Brumley is the ONLY employee. Brumley's last adventure went bankrupt. It goes on and on how sleazy this thing is. My bet is that Hobbs pushed them to show the cash. Even if it does get started they will force whoever the poor suckers that let them come to their town into big cash giveaways and costs. Then it will also go bankrupt and leave that city stuck with a huge mess to clean up. The Hobbs paper said that Pegasus and Brumley never even notified the city or county of a problem and Brumley refuses to return calls. They got out of town late on a Friday so that they could escape over the weekend. This is just pure sleaze! I feel sorry for the next town that falls for this bs.

Kenny please READ THIS AND WALK AWAY FROM THESE CROOKS!