New child support law in Pennsylvania to add $25 fee for famili...

All you women bitch and moan about child support. Tell me what is your responsibilities. Everyone knows the majority of you mothers out there don't even take care of your kids. It's either grand-parents or someone else.Why don't you women get off your lazy asses and get a job.This is a very touchy subject with me. I have a 13 yr old grand-daughter who I love with all my heart.She is my son's child. You have no idea what my husband and I have gone through and what we have done for this child.My son payed child support from the very beginning and still does. May not be a whole lot but... We have bought her clothes,eyeglasses, contacts, items from school and so forth... The child support my son pays goes for the mother to buy sneakers for herself, money for her husband to play golf and going out.She is one LAZY bitch.
She lays around all day watching tv and plays on the computer.I can go on and on. I have everything documented from the time my grand-daughter was a baby. I believe when it comes to children, NOT ONE BUT BOTH parents should be equally responsible. Everything should be split right down the middle. I understand their are situations that this would'nt be justifying in doing but the law should treat each case individually and not by their idiot guidelines.As I speak the witch is taking my son back for more. This isn't right. If the money is spent on the children like it should be then I believe paying is in order. But if the mother spends it on other things then I don't blame any man for not paying. According to Pa laws the mother can spend it on whatever she wants. This is bullshit. Then why is it called child support.By the way my grand-daughter's stepfather makes 30+ dollars an hour. Also, one last thing, if you women would STOP giving these men a hard time about their children, then maybe the men would be a little nicer, and their should be a law that you have to show receipts for the money like other states do. How many children out there are dressed in rags and have no food because the mother only thinks of herself? It's a known fact. This is only money all of you need to grow-up and start thinking of your children and make them happy. GET OFF YOUR LAZY BUTTS AND GET A JOB!

sapphire...I am sorry if you have a bomber for the mother of your grandchild...however you are making alot of generalizations that are not true for most families. In the vast majority of cases, the mother does have to work after she is divorced...particularly if she remains a single mother...most single mothers work as many hours as the non custodial father PLUS have the vast vast (many times 100 percent of) of childcare responsibilities. No mothers are getting rich off the money that they receive for child support. If the mother remarries, he does not matter if the new hubby makes $500 per hour....the father of the child not the husband of the mother is still responsible financially for the child....the father's child support is not lessened based on the income of the husband of the mother. This is the law not something I have made up.

Your statement about getting off your lazy butt and get a job are completely inappropriate as most mothers are extremely hard working.

sapphire wrote:

All you women **** and moan about child support. Tell me what is your responsibilities. Everyone knows the majority of you mothers out there don't even take care of your kids. It's either grand-parents or someone else.Why don't you women get off your lazy asses and get a job.This is a very touchy subject with me. I have a 13 yr old grand-daughter who I love with all my heart.She is my son's child. You have no idea what my husband and I have gone through and what we have done for this child.My son payed child support from the very beginning and still does. May not be a whole lot but... We have bought her clothes,eyeglasses, contacts, items from school and so forth... The child support my son pays goes for the mother to buy sneakers for herself, money for her husband to play golf and going out.She is one LAZY ****.
She lays around all day watching tv and plays on the computer.I can go on and on. I have everything documented from the time my grand-daughter was a baby. I believe when it comes to children, NOT ONE BUT BOTH parents should be equally responsible. Everything should be split right down the middle. I understand their are situations that this would'nt be justifying in doing but the law should treat each case individually and not by their idiot guidelines.As I speak the witch is taking my son back for more. This isn't right. If the money is spent on the children like it should be then I believe paying is in order. But if the mother spends it on other things then I don't blame any man for not paying. According to Pa laws the mother can spend it on whatever she wants. This is ****. Then why is it called child support.By the way my grand-daughter's stepfather makes 30+ dollars an hour. Also, one last thing, if you women would STOP giving these men a hard time about their children, then maybe the men would be a little nicer, and their should be a law that you have to show receipts for the money like other states do. How many children out there are dressed in rags and have no food because the mother only thinks of herself? It's a known fact. This is only money all of you need to grow-up and start thinking of your children and make them happy. GET OFF YOUR LAZY BUTTS AND GET A JOB!

Your a child's Grandmother? Your pathetic. Most of us mothers who get, if we get child support from our ex-husbands do not sit on our @#$$$$. We are employed some of working more than one job to be able to support our children and give them a life they deserve. We take care of our children and love them. If you were my children's grandparent, I would make every effort to make sure you had no contact in any way with my children. Your hateful, children even when coming from divorced or parents who were never married need both parents, and I believe a Grandparent such as you would be very negative influence, and not be a very good role model for any child. Instead of throwing all your accusations at your grandchilds mother maybe look a little closer to home, I would bet your back door could use a good sweeping.

sapphire wrote:

All you women **** and moan about child support. Tell me what is your responsibilities. Everyone knows the majority of you mothers out there don't even take care of your kids. It's either grand-parents or someone else.Why don't you women get off your lazy asses and get a job.This is a very touchy subject with me. I have a 13 yr old grand-daughter who I love with all my heart.She is my son's child. You have no idea what my husband and I have gone through and what we have done for this child.My son payed child support from the very beginning and still does. May not be a whole lot but... We have bought her clothes,eyeglasses, contacts, items from school and so forth... The child support my son pays goes for the mother to buy sneakers for herself, money for her husband to play golf and going out.She is one LAZY ****.
She lays around all day watching tv and plays on the computer.I can go on and on. I have everything documented from the time my grand-daughter was a baby. I believe when it comes to children, NOT ONE BUT BOTH parents should be equally responsible. Everything should be split right down the middle. I understand their are situations that this would'nt be justifying in doing but the law should treat each case individually and not by their idiot guidelines.As I speak the witch is taking my son back for more. This isn't right. If the money is spent on the children like it should be then I believe paying is in order. But if the mother spends it on other things then I don't blame any man for not paying. According to Pa laws the mother can spend it on whatever she wants. This is ****. Then why is it called child support.By the way my grand-daughter's stepfather makes 30+ dollars an hour. Also, one last thing, if you women would STOP giving these men a hard time about their children, then maybe the men would be a little nicer, and their should be a law that you have to show receipts for the money like other states do. How many children out there are dressed in rags and have no food because the mother only thinks of herself? It's a known fact. This is only money all of you need to grow-up and start thinking of your children and make them happy. GET OFF YOUR LAZY BUTTS AND GET A JOB!

I am sorry about your situation, it sounds unfortunate.
Although, I don't think I would take it out on ALL MOTHERS. It makes you sound narrow minded and ignorant. I can hear you are upset but you
are attacking some awesome single moms on this board.

Your son made his bed and now he has to lay in it. You need to bite the bullet and let your son fight his own battles.
Stop tearing apart your granddaughters mom (bc I am sure she hears it,sees it and FEELS it) and continue to focus on your granddaughters well being. Be that awesome POSITIVE grandmother that will impact her life forever, because she will never forget!
Your granddaughter will figure out soon enough if her mom is a loser.
She doesn't need more divide in her life. Her family unit is already shattered.

sapphire wrote:

All you women **** and moan about child support. Tell me what is your responsibilities. Everyone knows the majority of you mothers out there don't even take care of your kids. It's either grand-parents or someone else.Why don't you women get off your lazy asses and get a job.This is a very touchy subject with me. I have a 13 yr old grand-daughter who I love with all my heart.She is my son's child. You have no idea what my husband and I have gone through and what we have done for this child.My son payed child support from the very beginning and still does. May not be a whole lot but... We have bought her clothes,eyeglasses, contacts, items from school and so forth... The child support my son pays goes for the mother to buy sneakers for herself, money for her husband to play golf and going out.She is one LAZY ****.
She lays around all day watching tv and plays on the computer.I can go on and on. I have everything documented from the time my grand-daughter was a baby. I believe when it comes to children, NOT ONE BUT BOTH parents should be equally responsible. Everything should be split right down the middle. I understand their are situations that this would'nt be justifying in doing but the law should treat each case individually and not by their idiot guidelines.As I speak the witch is taking my son back for more. This isn't right. If the money is spent on the children like it should be then I believe paying is in order. But if the mother spends it on other things then I don't blame any man for not paying. According to Pa laws the mother can spend it on whatever she wants. This is ****. Then why is it called child support.By the way my grand-daughter's stepfather makes 30+ dollars an hour. Also, one last thing, if you women would STOP giving these men a hard time about their children, then maybe the men would be a little nicer, and their should be a law that you have to show receipts for the money like other states do. How many children out there are dressed in rags and have no food because the mother only thinks of herself? It's a known fact. This is only money all of you need to grow-up and start thinking of your children and make them happy. GET OFF YOUR LAZY BUTTS AND GET A JOB!

First of all, you never mentioned once what your son does for his child... you only mentioned what you do for the kid, and it doesn't seem anymore than what most grandparents do for a grandchild. SECOND...let me just elaborate on the getting off our lazy butts and getting a job... here is a scenario on how a typical day goes in my house: wake up at 0600 get breakfast ready wake up the kids, get them showered and dressed, get them to eat, send them off to school, quickly get myself dressed head to work, work a complete 8 hours, head home start dinner before I have a chance to sit down, get the kids to eat really fast and head straight out the door to whatever sport/school/community function the kids have, come home help with homework, get the kids ready for bed, get the house clean, get the clothes and stuff ready for the next day and then JUST then I might have a chance to sit down and relax, but heck I may as well just go to bed since it is around 11pm when I get everything finished.

So if you want to generalize all women in the category you "think" your son's ex is in then please only do so when you know you are correct.

Dean 1 wrote:

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First of all, you never mentioned once what your son does for his child... you only mentioned what you do for the kid, and it doesn't seem anymore than what most grandparents do for a grandchild. SECOND...let me just elaborate on the getting off our lazy butts and getting a job... here is a scenario on how a typical day goes in my house: wake up at 0600 get breakfast ready wake up the kids, get them showered and dressed, get them to eat, send them off to school, quickly get myself dressed head to work, work a complete 8 hours, head home start dinner before I have a chance to sit down, get the kids to eat really fast and head straight out the door to whatever sport/school/community function the kids have, come home help with homework, get the kids ready for bed, get the house clean, get the clothes and stuff ready for the next day and then JUST then I might have a chance to sit down and relax, but heck I may as well just go to bed since it is around 11pm when I get everything finished.
So if you want to generalize all women in the category you "think" your son's ex is in then please only do so when you know you are correct.

...I was waiting for ya Dean.
I thought you would lay into her but that is not really the point. The point is she categorized ALL MOTHERS and thats ridiculous.
IMO, I feel like she is upset that her son is struggling as his X gets remarried and lives a "cushy" life.
Wonder what the whole story is...

its me_ its me wrote:

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...I was waiting for ya Dean.
I thought you would lay into her but that is not really the point. The point is she categorized ALL MOTHERS and thats ridiculous.
IMO, I feel like she is upset that her son is struggling as his X gets remarried and lives a "cushy" life.
Wonder what the whole story is...

You hit the nail on the head. One of those people that think their son shouldn't have to pay as much now that the ex is with someone bringing money in... Let someone else take the responsibility that is her son's. Like I said not once did she mention what it is her son does for his child.
God forbid a mother gets herself a new pair of shoes when she it getting child support. She better have kept the receipt for those shoes.

Dean 1 wrote:

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First of all, you never mentioned once what your son does for his child... you only mentioned what you do for the kid, and it doesn't seem anymore than what most grandparents do for a grandchild. SECOND...let me just elaborate on the getting off our lazy butts and getting a job... here is a scenario on how a typical day goes in my house: wake up at 0600 get breakfast ready wake up the kids, get them showered and dressed, get them to eat, send them off to school, quickly get myself dressed head to work, work a complete 8 hours, head home start dinner before I have a chance to sit down, get the kids to eat really fast and head straight out the door to whatever sport/school/community function the kids have, come home help with homework, get the kids ready for bed, get the house clean, get the clothes and stuff ready for the next day and then JUST then I might have a chance to sit down and relax, but heck I may as well just go to bed since it is around 11pm when I get everything finished.
So if you want to generalize all women in the category you "think" your son's ex is in then please only do so when you know you are correct.

I think your situation is much more typical of single mothers than the situation that sapphire described....in addition to working 16 plus hours per day...a single Mom usually has the constant worry about how to make ends meet. Many many times she also has to spend energy and money that she doesn't have trying to collect child support from dead beat Dads. I think Sapphire that you should live a couple days in the life of a single Mom before you make such generalizations about all women/single mothers. When I was a single Mom...I had to fight day and night to get my estranged husband to even pay the state minimum in child support (so my child support was probably even easier to collect than most single moms)...this I did in addition to going to college, working full time and pretty much having sole responsibility for our 2 year old daughter. Now I am married to a wonderful man (who just happens to be an attorney and thus makes more money than my first husband.....I am sure it galls my first husband and his young wife (the same woman that he left me for) to have to pay me $900 per month in child support....but I enjoy every minute of it b/c anytime I feel bad about their financial hardship...I just think back to how bad I was hurt when he cheated on me and how my daughter had no money for any food other than hotdogs or clothing or any extras for three years and how I worked like a dog during those years with no help from him.

Well I want to say that we as men go through the same
I have custidy of my son and thank the lord up above
with the help of my parent's, and I'm also taking care of a dead beat dad that gave up his right to his two kid's.

my son's father owes me over 11 thousand dollars and i haven't seen a dime in months..wats the sense of child support if we don't get our money for our children. it's sad on how we apply for public assistance, get on our feet, close our case and when we do get child support they the 1st one's to take the money...SOMETHING NEEDS TO IMPROVE WITH CHILD SUPPORT AGENCIES. THEY SIT ON THEIR BUTTS ALL DAY AND DO NOTHING....

lissette wrote:

my son's father owes me over 11 thousand dollars and i haven't seen a dime in months..wats the sense of child support if we don't get our money for our children. it's sad on how we apply for public assistance, get on our feet, close our case and when we do get child support they the 1st one's to take the money...SOMETHING NEEDS TO IMPROVE WITH CHILD SUPPORT AGENCIES. THEY SIT ON THEIR BUTTS ALL DAY AND DO NOTHING....

That extra money they are taking out is supposed to help cover the cost of tracking down dead beats... I see that is not happening. Sorry to hear of that Lissette. I have the eppicard, and I just got a thing in the mail that there are new charges to be brought onto it. I know the charges are not that much, but with all the people using the eppicard those charges really add up and I do not think that anyone should profit off of a child's support.

lissette wrote:

my son's father owes me over 11 thousand dollars and i haven't seen a dime in months..wats the sense of child support if we don't get our money for our children. it's sad on how we apply for public assistance, get on our feet, close our case and when we do get child support they the 1st one's to take the money...SOMETHING NEEDS TO IMPROVE WITH CHILD SUPPORT AGENCIES. THEY SIT ON THEIR BUTTS ALL DAY AND DO NOTHING....

Thats where the Prsident really needs to look. We are paying county wages to alot of people who do nothing to deserve it. Its called pass the buck to someone else. I was a paying father and never missed a payment. If I did I paid in cash or made other arrangements. I have since got custody of my daughter. And havent gotten a dime from her mother. And its like pulling a tooth in asking to pay half or anything towards my daughters needs or future. I had to pay domestic relations $26.50 just to pay my support. Everyone needs to give if we are to pull out of this slump that effects us all. Officials need to pull thier weight or push carts at walmart. Some guys do pay ungodly amounts of support. I have seen an know a few women who make great money and get $1200.00/month from their ex and he has to move in with his folks... Thats just wrong..

My ex just got a letter explaining the deficit reduction act in Nebraska. We are kinda confused on where this 25$ fee comes from. Do I pay 25 more or does she receive 25 less? Does not make a difference to me but does to her. If I get the fee how is that fair when I have never been late?

this system is so messsed up my ex was so far behind in child support to the point it was over 14,000 dollars and then he went on SSI and they said because he doesnt get that much he no longer has to pay support.So i get a 100 a month on back support and now i have to pay 25 a year out of that how is this fair.I mean heck i dont make that much money but i still have to support my child because guess what i care about him.

jackson wrote:

I do receive child support from my ex husband. I was unaware he was charged annually $26. We do get along fairly well and since reading this I will be talking to him about written agreement between us. Atleast he does step up and I have never once since our divorce (eight years ago) had a problem with getting money.

Consider yourself very lucky! There are many exes out there that hate their ex more than they love their kids. Its hard as hell to collect from out of state parents especially if they are self employed. They all also play the system forever before there are any retributions. Mine holds out for months until he finally has a warrant and then he pays enough to keep him out of trouble.

ahh wrote:

Question: Do child support checks go to the parent raising the child? Just wondering, becasue many people use that money for themselves and dont use any of it for the child and thats not right. It is like it is a second income for the parent.

That depends on what you call using it on the child. My dad always thought he could buy us toys and birthday presents and write it off as child support. Im not saying that there aren't parents out there who neglect their children, but I know people who complain about the custodial parent buying a car or buying a house ect. The kids live there too right? The car gets them to appointments and groceries ect. Of course there are alcoholic parents or other losers that would rather have an xbox or beer, but some people go overboard about not being able to control where the money goes.

sapphire wrote:

All you women **** and moan about child support. Tell me what is your responsibilities. Everyone knows the majority of you mothers out there don't even take care of your kids. It's either grand-parents or someone else.Why don't you women get off your lazy asses and get a job.This is a very touchy subject with me. I have a 13 yr old grand-daughter who I love with all my heart.She is my son's child. You have no idea what my husband and I have gone through and what we have done for this child.My son payed child support from the very beginning and still does. May not be a whole lot but... We have bought her clothes,eyeglasses, contacts, items from school and so forth... The child support my son pays goes for the mother to buy sneakers for herself, money for her husband to play golf and going out.She is one LAZY ****.
She lays around all day watching tv and plays on the computer.I can go on and on. I have everything documented from the time my grand-daughter was a baby. I believe when it comes to children, NOT ONE BUT BOTH parents should be equally responsible. Everything should be split right down the middle. I understand their are situations that this would'nt be justifying in doing but the law should treat each case individually and not by their idiot guidelines.As I speak the witch is taking my son back for more. This isn't right. If the money is spent on the children like it should be then I believe paying is in order. But if the mother spends it on other things then I don't blame any man for not paying. According to Pa laws the mother can spend it on whatever she wants. This is ****. Then why is it called child support.By the way my grand-daughter's stepfather makes 30+ dollars an hour. Also, one last thing, if you women would STOP giving these men a hard time about their children, then maybe the men would be a little nicer, and their should be a law that you have to show receipts for the money like other states do. How many children out there are dressed in rags and have no food because the mother only thinks of herself? It's a known fact. This is only money all of you need to grow-up and start thinking of your children and make them happy. GET OFF YOUR LAZY BUTTS AND GET A JOB!

This is a really sad post considering that a woman is writing it, putting down other women. I'll bet that she is a jealous woman who hated her daughter in law from the beginning because "the woman took her son away from her". Maybe if Grandma hadn't catered to her son so much he would take responsibility without crying about it. My ex never sees his kids, is always late on paying and is always crying about how unfair life is. Meanwhile, he has the best cars a beautiful house and many other expensive accessories. His mom always whined about me not having a job even though he forbid me to do it. I wasn't lazy, he was controlling. He didnt want me to work because another male may talk to me. It's funny that he did not want me to work but then when he abandoned the family for a younger woman (he makes 70 grand a year), all of a sudden I'm supposed to get a job and do it all myself. Since when was it a bad thing to stay at home and care for your children instead of shipping them off to daycare? He doesn't discipline or play ball with them or stay up at night when they are sick.He and his mommy sit and cry about how unfair it is while I do everything and he just sends a check when he is close to being reprimanded by the state. Getting remarried or trying to date again makes us floozies while he and his new younger wife are just innocent victims. Why can't we have a life too? Because Grandma's baby dumped all the responsibility on us. Too bad hes gotta pay, guess he can't spend his money for toys and things to impress the new girlfriend. Take a look at how you raised your baby Grandma, maybe you never taught him responsibility since you are making so many excuses for him.

Steve wrote:

My ex just got a letter explaining the deficit reduction act in Nebraska. We are kinda confused on where this 25$ fee comes from. Do I pay 25 more or does she receive 25 less? Does not make a difference to me but does to her. If I get the fee how is that fair when I have never been late?

~~~ In PA the $25 comes out of the money the parent receiving child support gets. How fair is this? That's taking $25 away from the child/ren.