Dutchs corner

Since retiring from the ring as both a wrestler & promoter, Savage is now an ordained Minister teaching King James scripture on 'Dutch's Corner', his public access cable television program out of Portland, Oregon. His website DutchSavage.com combines both his current work; pictures of his friends and co-workers throughout the years; and the best history & memories of Pacific Northwest wrestling available on the web today.

This man will exxpose lies being taught by the majority of the pulpit,and to what gods word says.

fftapom:free from tradition and philosophies of man.

many follow tradition,and many are led to destruction.

it,s about time people learn the truth of the bible,and to stop listening to tradition.

amen

bbi wrote:

it,s about time people learn the truth of the bible,and to stop listening to tradition.

exactly right ,especiall when you learn the truth about what actually happens to a peson when they die.The bible says they are no more,the bible teaches that we do not have housed within us an immortal soul,the bible teaches that we are a soul ,see Genesis 2:7 at the very beginning of the bible.

became a soul,it doesn,t say that we have a soul, can you see the big difference there between what the bible actually teaches versus tradition.

if we the soul were immortal then we,d be the same as jesus christ,but the bible says in timothy that god only hath immortality.

immortality is a gift from god,eternal life is a gift from god.

There will be a resurrection to life and a resurrection to death,blessed are those who take part in the first ressurection for the second death has no power over them.

boy wait til some of these christian ministries,especially local here in saranac lake hear this.if you want the bible truth people watch Dutch Savage on the lords loud cry,the immortality vs spiritualism segment.i,d like to hear what they have to say after they watch that segment.just maybe then they would realize how much tradition has blinded them to the plain cuttiing truth of the bible. it,s too bad that there are so many brainwashed fools out there.

JOB 14:10 But man dies and is laid away; indeed he breathes his last and where is he? 11 As water disappears from the sea, and a river becomes parched and dries up, 12 So man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor be roused from their sleep. 13 Oh, that You would hide me in the grave, that You would conceal me until Your wrath is past, that You would appoint me a set time, and remember me! 14 If a man dies, shall he live again? All the days of my hard service I will wait, till my change comes.(NKJV)

maybe they choose to ignore the above passage just like most others scritpural passages.lets quiet their unholy conscience shall we.

uktmkotg wrote:

boy wait til some of these christian ministries,especially local here in saranac lake hear this.if you want the bible truth people watch Dutch Savage on the lords loud cry,the immortality vs spiritualism segment.i,d like to hear what they have to say after they watch that segment.just maybe then they would realize how much tradition has blinded them to the plain cuttiing truth of the bible. it,s too bad that there are so many brainwashed fools out there.

especially "The word Goes Forth" how dare we question them.

uktmkotg wrote:

became a soul,it doesn,t say that we have a soul, can you see the big difference there between what the bible actually teaches versus tradition.

Genesis 2:7 (King James Version)

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

you,d be amazed by how well the truth can destroy a lie.

fudge
Oneida, NY
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|Report Abuse |Judge it!|#92 Oct 7, 2008
Traditional beliefs about heaven and hell are based on an underlying teaching-that everyone has an immortal soul that must go somewhere after his physical life ends.
This belief isn't unique to traditional Christianity. "All religions affirm that there is an aspect of the human person that lives on after the physical life has ended" (World Scripture: A Comparative Anthology of Sacred Texts, Andrew Wilson, editor, 1995, p. 225). In other words, in general all religions believe in some kind of immortal essence, a spirit that lives on separately after the physical body dies. Most professing Christians call this the immortal soul.
Failure to properly understand this subject is a fundamental reason for the prevalent beliefs regarding heaven and hell. If an immortal quality exists in a human being, it must depart from the body when the body dies. The typical views of heaven and hell have as their foundation the belief in the immortal soul that leaves the body at death.
What does the Bible say about the existence of an immortal soul? Does this belief have a foundation in Scripture?
Many are surprised to learn that the words "immortal" and "soul" appear together nowhere in the Bible. "... Theologians frankly admit that the expression 'immortal soul' is not in the Bible but confidently state that Scripture assumes the immortality of every soul" (The Fire That Consumes, Edward William Fudge, 1994, p. 22, emphasis added).
That such an important assumption should not be explicitly taught in the Bible is surprising, considering how confidently theologians hold to this doctrine. If it isn't found in the Bible, where did the idea originate?
The New Bible Dictionary offers this background of the nonbiblical nature of the immortal-soul doctrine. "The Greeks thought of the body as a hindrance to true life and they looked for the time when the soul would be free from its shackles. They conceived of life after death in terms of the immortality of the soul ..." (1996, p. 1010, "Resurrection").
According to this idea, the body goes to the grave at death and the soul continues to exist as a separate conscious entity.
Belief in a separate soul and body was popular in Greek society and was taught by one of their most famous philosophers. "The immortality of the soul was a principal doctrine of the Greek philosopher, Plato ... In Plato's thinking, the soul ... was self-moving and indivisible ... It existed before the body which it inhabited, and which it would survive" (Fudge, p. 32).
How the immortal-soul idea entered Christianity
When did the concept of the immortality of the soul enter the world of Christianity? The Old Testament does not teach it. The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia explains: "... We are influenced always more or less by the Greek, Platonic idea that the body dies, yet the soul is immortal. Such an idea is utterly contrary to the Israelite consciousness and is nowhere found in the Old Testament" (1960, Vol. 2, p. 812, "Death").
The first-century Church did not hold to this belief, either. "... The doctrine is increasingly regarded as a post-apostolic innovation, not only unnecessary but positively harmful to proper biblical interpretation and understanding" (Fudge, p. 2

Dutch Savage said it best"why would jesus have to come back and get you at the second coming if you were already up in heaven when youdie".

must be a little bit overwhelming for the average christian goer to withtand.wake up people and stop relying on these people for answers,you,ll get answers ,but the won,t be trtuhful that,s for sure.biblically base you,re conclusions don,t traditonally base them,lol.