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puff of logic

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Belmont hill Mitt wrote:
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it sounds like you live in an area where the infrastructure is perfect.
bridges to nowhere??
bullet trains??
how about we FIX the electrical grid, or some of the bridges that are likely to fall.
there is so much to reinvesting putting this country back to work and catching up with the world on technology.
but you dont care about the bright future.
a bright future to you is hoovervilles for the poor and the rich reclaiming what is "theirs"
how pitifully inimaginative.
It is obvious where the USA should be investing their revenues for the good of USA citizens.
monsieur Obama has conversed that logic in public to americans.
I was sitting here reading the rebuttals from Timbuk2 and I had a similar rebuttal to bring as yours above. In truth, I scrapped it because yours is better. Merci monsieur Belmont hill Mitt

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<quoted text> Think about it E1....who was going to finance a recently bankrupted Detroit resurgence when every investment bank in the USA and most of Europe was bankrupt and at the mercy of government for a bailout ? All of ours would have gone under if not for the "socialism" of our tax dollars, and THEY were the most "careless and lazy" of any player in the mix.
THERE WAS NOWHERE TO TURN for the automakers and that is precisely why Ford who chose not to participate in the bailout, encouraged the administration and congress to fund the process.
Without an investment bank able to front billions in loans to the automakers....what small investor in his or her right mind would buy stock in any of the big three ?? NONE E1.
The auto industry would have left the country, make no mistake, and with it the ability of this country to do what we did during WWII if necessary, retool those factories to make munitions, jeeps etc.
You want to know what I think should have been done in the forclosure mess ? We should have bailed out the borrowers, kept them in their houses, kept their payments up to the banks and in the process, held real estate prices higher AND those payments would have bailed out the banks. Instead we chose to bail out the banks and shaft the borrowers as well as most homeowners in ther country by allowing the collapse of the value of their biggest asset, their home. This made "conservatives" happy because they punished the small borrower who got in over their head without punishing the banks that encouraged that behavior. The only problem was in an effort to punish the borrowers, they sabotaged the entire economy and pkunged the entire country into a near depression. I know a little about business E1 and I have given these issues a lot of thought.....now explain to me where I am wrong.(I mean no offense and genuinely await your response)
I honestly believe one of the premiere japanese companies would have bought GM and got it back up and running. Doesn't it strike you as odd, that these same Japanese firms are no doubt making money in the US by having their plants here rather than in japan and shipping them here? Labor is no doubt less expensive there. It might have been a German company as well. But there is NO DOUBT, it would have been bought and back in business without any interference. Our government has no business in the auto industry or the banking industry. I feel 100% certain the framers of our constitution felt the same way.

The Banks were FORCED to give those "risky loans" via our government. Another reason why there should be NO fannie Mae or freddie mac. By the way, did ya see where fanny needs another 19 billion last week? Our government has NO business in the housing industry. period. Its not WHY we have a government. I resent the government's interference in our lives.

I believe we should have LESS government, certainly not in every aspect of our lives. They need to concentrate on infrastructure, security, FDA...the biggies for our safety, but that is about it.

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Belmont hill Mitt wrote:
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the bottom line is jeffrey emmelt isnt running for president.
and Obama HAS a jobs bill on the table that is currently being fillibustered by YOUR republicans in congress.
clinton signed nafta after it was passed by a republican congress.
both party's are corporate, but your party serves ONLY billionaires.
the dems(although I dont agree with more than half of what obama has proposed) like to keep the money going around because they understand that that is HOW the economy works...
there needs to be socialist controls to offset the ravages of pure capital accumulation. it IS sloppy, but it is better than hoovervilles.
the economy DOESNT work when you lock away all the monopoly money!!
in rich people bank accounts.
there must be constant reinvestment, as other countries are now passing us in the realm of living standards and 21st century technology.
I know that hurts?? but the other way just doesnt work for the masses......
and they are what is important, not the needs of a few hundred thousand uber wealth people to pool,wealth and over consumer(to the max)
after all, the wealth the rich play with is created by the consumption needs of the middle class.......it is time they stopped attacking themselves.... because that is what it amounts to....they are eating their own markets...
it is now all on them, they have the money, and thus the power, not so much the politicians. and if you were for getting money out of politics, then you would be anti-citizens united.
the pols are now just agents for hire.
doncha think there would be CONSTANT reinvestment if the venture was profitable??? That is exactly what has happened since the beginning of the industrial age. Big money has invested, as the return was profitable. That is what a free market system is all about. This USED to be a country where ya worked hard, studied hard, a smidgeon of luck along the way, success was possible....today? not so much.
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<quoted text> See E1....y'all bring up "good ol jeffrey" when outsourcing is mentioned and I would absolutely agree with you EXCEPT FOR THE FACT that Republicans have been standing in the way of the Democrats efforts to end the incentives for outsourcing in the tax code ! If a Dem suggests that Romney has money in the Caymens or Switzerland.... well we are quickly reminded by the faithful that having those accounts is perfectly legal ! Well how about we all get together and change all of this for the benefit of all Americans and stop with the pot and kettle stuff !
And I might add that Republicans have clearly shown to puff and the rest of the world that your words speak truth. They are so bold with it, they don't attempt to hide it anymore as they did in the past.
They don't care, to them it is all about control and their personal benefits only. When a leader puts themselves before the people they represent it is the needs of the people that they should govern.
They too will benefit from the rewards long term. If their actions are not as above they should be removed and force to endure what they have sown.
The current system that is in place assures even one term elected officials can rise above with earmarks that assure them of the opposite sown. The republicans are dividing the nation between upper class and lower class. Their obstacle is the middle class removal.
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They need to concentrate on infrastructure, security, FDA...the biggies for our safety, but that is about it.
I apologize for removal of much of your opinion. I agree more with the remaining.
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Timbuk2 wrote:
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How so?
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Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> Are you trying to say that the USA and France are like Spain Timbuck ? If you are...you are wrong. There is as much difference as daylight and dark.
Ok Timbuk2 ... I undo you. For now I see where your blind logic comes from.
Nice try bit no logic for puff here.
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An under-regulated "free market" is what led to the Great Depression. The Republicans may think that is a natural and wonderful consequence, but the Democrats would rather avoid the middle class having to suffer through such a dark time again.
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Exasperated1 wrote:
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doncha think there would be CONSTANT reinvestment if the venture was profitable??? That is exactly what has happened since the beginning of the industrial age. Big money has invested, as the return was profitable. That is what a free market system is all about. This USED to be a country where ya worked hard, studied hard, a smidgeon of luck along the way, success was possible....today? not so much.
"This USED to be a country where ya worked hard, studied hard, a smidgeon of luck along the way, success was possible....today? not so much."

Oui, all of the above is true when the sides are stacked evenly it does work. I not see the republicans using as you describe "Free market system" though. It shows more tailored to the wealthy only to invest and enjoy. One sided ventures only. Theirs!!
And much investment in abroad only.
With USA, There should be only unemployed to those that truly do not want to work. For there is no such perfect country. There is always room within the infrastructure for improvements and repairs.
That brings guaranteed jobs.
Perhaps I am wrong somehow?
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I want to thank all of you posters. Don't you just love a juicy debate? I gain so much enlightenment from your diverse opinions. You may know more about "Your USA" than puff from outside looking in .. but puff can easily sort through the "logic" without confusion.

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Why is it mitt, to "defend your position" you have to denigrate to crude language? This happens often. Can you not express yourself without it? An even more pressing thought (after I read your posts) is why not work to a compromise and understanding of both sides. This "tit-for-tat" philosophy held by "most" on this site only reinforces the political position of those on the left and right. Which is exactly what has happened in congress and stagnating our country. Maybe its because I stand in the middle, that its just so.....exasperating.
If all you're worried about is getting your little sensitivities irritated, why don't you just go back to that other Forum , where you were petted, pampered, & coddled? Nobody wants to hear it on this one & Nobody's going to pet, pamper, & coddle you! There are Grown-up Intelligent People on this Thread , discussing serious issues & you whining about how they express themselves like alittle spoiled Baby trying to get attention, is not wanted nor appreciated by anybody who posts here!
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Puff can clearly see that your politicians have learned it's cheaper than ever for your United States to borrow. That's because global investors desperately want the safety of you USA dollars. Almost everywhere else on the planet is riskier to do so. Think, Europe is in a debt crisis, and many developing nations are gripped by fears the contagion (oui good word) will spread to them, Japan remains in critical condition, China's growth is slowing some.

Now .. add some logic!

Put this together with two other facts:

Unemployment in USA remains sky-high. <<==
Your nation's infrastructure is crumbling. <<==

Cheap borrow .. <<==

Connect your dots. Oui?

Your roads, bridges, water and sewer systems, subways, gas pipelines, ports, airports, and school buildings are desperately in need of repair.

Anyone with half a brain will see this is the ideal time to borrow money from the rest of the world to put Americans to work rebuilding the nation's infrastructure. Your deferred maintenance system puff see before her is taking a huge toll for your USA... just saying!
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As the Republican National Committee attacks President Obama on jobs, they themselves are using a overseas call center.
Republicans just don't get it about American jobs.
http://www.aflcio.org/Blog/Economy/Republican...
puff of logic

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Oh My ... monsieur and new President of France, François Hollande just delivered victory speech.

In small talk .. he says "Goodbye" Nicolas Sarkozy.

For France it be first left wing president in almost 20 years. He is vowing to transform Europe's handling of the economic crisis by fighting back against the German led austerity measures.

In France, There much public dislike of the monsieur Nicolas Sarkozy viewed by many as the "president of the rich". Quite popular and liked in the beginning. But clearly failed to deliver his promises made.

USA elections are nearing. Now is time to remember american politicians promises too.

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I wish that all of the TEApublicans would just research & read what led up to the "crash of '29" & hence, the "Great Depression". Although, Economists say that this is different in referring to wht it will take to pull us out of it & recover, what led up to it is very similar. After World WarII, we changed our economic Theory of Government to one that a German Economist promoted & it worked well for us, until 1980, when Reagan was elected. That's when the "Powers that be" in his Administration, decided that they would change our economic Theory to give it all to Wealthiest & Big Corporations, came up with NAFTA, & let all the "Wealth trickle down", eventually to the average Worker & People & it's been a downhill slide ever since for everybody, EXCEPT the Wealthiest & the Big Corporations! Even the Ones in Reagan"s Administration who were part of changing to this disastrous Economic Theory, who was an Austrian btw, have publicly admitted that it DOES NOT WORK! And yet, we continue on with it, as it destroys our Country. It would take another 50 years, at least, to change back to the old Economic Plan that worked for us, at least, but we have to start sometime & now, looks like the most necessary time that we're ever going to have, to me, before we go completely under, as a Nation. If we could get the Wealthy & the big Corporation Pay-offs out of Washington, then maybe our Leaders would start thinking about doing just that, which would be the best thing for our Country & ALL of us, instead of only thinking about enriching themselves.
When they have destroyed her, they will have enough money to abandon her & leave to go live in another Country in luxury, while the rest of us will be left to pick up the pieces & start all over rebuilding her, which will take generations...if we're lucky enough that another Country doesn't decide to take her over, in which case we'll all be dead!

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I should make clear that the disasterous economic plan, the "Trickle Down" Economic Theory, was a Plan developed by an Austrian. The Plan developed by a German, that we went by from the end of World WarII until 1980, is the Plan that worked well for ALL of us.
I did know both of their Names, but I have forgotten them.
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monsieur Romney and monsieur Sarkozy carry striking resemblance. Both fit the "President of the rich"
and both "Playboy Lifestyles".
A rich person (Sarkozy) in comprehending peasants (France) Knows of their existence. But blind to their needs.
USA (citizens): Hum "Needs"? monsieur Romney?
It has never really in truth been a thought to him. Because of wealth .. No worry ever!
Désolé... Puff livrer coup bas!

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Really Sassy wrote:
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If all you're worried about is getting your little sensitivities irritated, why don't you just go back to that other Forum , where you were petted, pampered, & coddled? Nobody wants to hear it on this one & Nobody's going to pet, pamper, & coddle you! There are Grown-up Intelligent People on this Thread , discussing serious issues & you whining about how they express themselves like alittle spoiled Baby trying to get attention, is not wanted nor appreciated by anybody who posts here!
hahahhaha. Its a sad, sad day when a mature adult cannot articulate their thoughts in an intelligent manner without having to resort to profanity to do so, but then maybe that is probably why I see you swearing so often on here: No maturity, no intelligence.

Do not even attempt to limit my RIGHTS to voice my opinion whenever and wherever I chose. I thought you were at least smart enuf not to do that, clearly I was wrong.

“"U.S. Constitution"”

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Really Sassy wrote:
I should make clear that the disasterous economic plan, the "Trickle Down" Economic Theory, was a Plan developed by an Austrian. The Plan developed by a German, that we went by from the end of World WarII until 1980, is the Plan that worked well for ALL of us.
I did know both of their Names, but I have forgotten them.
While tax cuts to 95% of America sounds great on paper, don't forget the back story: If there is no job, there is no income to tax. A tax cut on zero dollars is zero. So, when you make decision to vote, ask yourself, who understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of saving your job. While the media wants to tell you "It's the economy Stupid" I'm telling you it isn't.

If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steamrolled the Constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me in the South Caribbean sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

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Drex, the TEApublicans campaigned on creating jobs in the last election...they have not done that & they won't even talk about it since the election, except to say something just like you did, which is cut more of the Wealthy's taxes if you want more jobs because the Wealthy are the only Ones who can create jobs.
The truth is that Obama's fought-for efforts are what has created what few jobs have been created in this Country. The Wealthy may have created jobs out of this Country, but not IN this Country & they won't because they want Low-wage, Slave Labor to maximize their profits.
BTW, will you take me with you to the Caribbean? Lol!

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true...very true...those nasty old rich pubs have not reinvested in this country lately...but not for the reasons stated above. Each day, the EPA comes out with more and more excessive regulation..specifically tailored to meet their aggenda and stop job growth. Any businessman worth "their salt" will not people at this point because of obamacare and the massive expenses associated with that. Even when job opportunities land in our lap (keystone) obama has nixed it. Ya can't have it both ways liberals...ya either want job growth or ya don't....but don't complain there is none when your own aggenda has set the background for the same.

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