puff of logic

Portland, TN

#34298 May 7, 2012
Exasperated1 wrote:
<quoted text>
doncha think there would be CONSTANT reinvestment if the venture was profitable??? That is exactly what has happened since the beginning of the industrial age. Big money has invested, as the return was profitable. That is what a free market system is all about. This USED to be a country where ya worked hard, studied hard, a smidgeon of luck along the way, success was possible....today? not so much.
"This USED to be a country where ya worked hard, studied hard, a smidgeon of luck along the way, success was possible....today? not so much."

Oui, all of the above is true when the sides are stacked evenly it does work. I not see the republicans using as you describe "Free market system" though. It shows more tailored to the wealthy only to invest and enjoy. One sided ventures only. Theirs!!
And much investment in abroad only.
With USA, There should be only unemployed to those that truly do not want to work. For there is no such perfect country. There is always room within the infrastructure for improvements and repairs.
That brings guaranteed jobs.
Perhaps I am wrong somehow?
puff of logic

Portland, TN

#34299 May 7, 2012
I want to thank all of you posters. Don't you just love a juicy debate? I gain so much enlightenment from your diverse opinions. You may know more about "Your USA" than puff from outside looking in .. but puff can easily sort through the "logic" without confusion.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#34300 May 7, 2012
Exasperated1 wrote:
Why is it mitt, to "defend your position" you have to denigrate to crude language? This happens often. Can you not express yourself without it? An even more pressing thought (after I read your posts) is why not work to a compromise and understanding of both sides. This "tit-for-tat" philosophy held by "most" on this site only reinforces the political position of those on the left and right. Which is exactly what has happened in congress and stagnating our country. Maybe its because I stand in the middle, that its just so.....exasperating.
If all you're worried about is getting your little sensitivities irritated, why don't you just go back to that other Forum , where you were petted, pampered, & coddled? Nobody wants to hear it on this one & Nobody's going to pet, pamper, & coddle you! There are Grown-up Intelligent People on this Thread , discussing serious issues & you whining about how they express themselves like alittle spoiled Baby trying to get attention, is not wanted nor appreciated by anybody who posts here!
puff of logic

Portland, TN

#34301 May 7, 2012
Puff can clearly see that your politicians have learned it's cheaper than ever for your United States to borrow. That's because global investors desperately want the safety of you USA dollars. Almost everywhere else on the planet is riskier to do so. Think, Europe is in a debt crisis, and many developing nations are gripped by fears the contagion (oui good word) will spread to them, Japan remains in critical condition, China's growth is slowing some.

Now .. add some logic!

Put this together with two other facts:

Unemployment in USA remains sky-high. <<==
Your nation's infrastructure is crumbling. <<==

Cheap borrow .. <<==

Connect your dots. Oui?

Your roads, bridges, water and sewer systems, subways, gas pipelines, ports, airports, and school buildings are desperately in need of repair.

Anyone with half a brain will see this is the ideal time to borrow money from the rest of the world to put Americans to work rebuilding the nation's infrastructure. Your deferred maintenance system puff see before her is taking a huge toll for your USA... just saying!
Dunlapian

Dunlap, TN

#34302 May 7, 2012
As the Republican National Committee attacks President Obama on jobs, they themselves are using a overseas call center.
Republicans just don't get it about American jobs.
http://www.aflcio.org/Blog/Economy/Republican...
puff of logic

Portland, TN

#34303 May 7, 2012
Oh My ... monsieur and new President of France, François Hollande just delivered victory speech.

In small talk .. he says "Goodbye" Nicolas Sarkozy.

For France it be first left wing president in almost 20 years. He is vowing to transform Europe's handling of the economic crisis by fighting back against the German led austerity measures.

In France, There much public dislike of the monsieur Nicolas Sarkozy viewed by many as the "president of the rich". Quite popular and liked in the beginning. But clearly failed to deliver his promises made.

USA elections are nearing. Now is time to remember american politicians promises too.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#34304 May 7, 2012
I wish that all of the TEApublicans would just research & read what led up to the "crash of '29" & hence, the "Great Depression". Although, Economists say that this is different in referring to wht it will take to pull us out of it & recover, what led up to it is very similar. After World WarII, we changed our economic Theory of Government to one that a German Economist promoted & it worked well for us, until 1980, when Reagan was elected. That's when the "Powers that be" in his Administration, decided that they would change our economic Theory to give it all to Wealthiest & Big Corporations, came up with NAFTA, & let all the "Wealth trickle down", eventually to the average Worker & People & it's been a downhill slide ever since for everybody, EXCEPT the Wealthiest & the Big Corporations! Even the Ones in Reagan"s Administration who were part of changing to this disastrous Economic Theory, who was an Austrian btw, have publicly admitted that it DOES NOT WORK! And yet, we continue on with it, as it destroys our Country. It would take another 50 years, at least, to change back to the old Economic Plan that worked for us, at least, but we have to start sometime & now, looks like the most necessary time that we're ever going to have, to me, before we go completely under, as a Nation. If we could get the Wealthy & the big Corporation Pay-offs out of Washington, then maybe our Leaders would start thinking about doing just that, which would be the best thing for our Country & ALL of us, instead of only thinking about enriching themselves.
When they have destroyed her, they will have enough money to abandon her & leave to go live in another Country in luxury, while the rest of us will be left to pick up the pieces & start all over rebuilding her, which will take generations...if we're lucky enough that another Country doesn't decide to take her over, in which case we'll all be dead!

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#34305 May 7, 2012
I should make clear that the disasterous economic plan, the "Trickle Down" Economic Theory, was a Plan developed by an Austrian. The Plan developed by a German, that we went by from the end of World WarII until 1980, is the Plan that worked well for ALL of us.
I did know both of their Names, but I have forgotten them.
puff of logic

Portland, TN

#34306 May 7, 2012
monsieur Romney and monsieur Sarkozy carry striking resemblance. Both fit the "President of the rich"
and both "Playboy Lifestyles".
A rich person (Sarkozy) in comprehending peasants (France) Knows of their existence. But blind to their needs.
USA (citizens): Hum "Needs"? monsieur Romney?
It has never really in truth been a thought to him. Because of wealth .. No worry ever!
Désolé... Puff livrer coup bas!

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#34307 May 7, 2012
Really Sassy wrote:
<quoted text>
If all you're worried about is getting your little sensitivities irritated, why don't you just go back to that other Forum , where you were petted, pampered, & coddled? Nobody wants to hear it on this one & Nobody's going to pet, pamper, & coddle you! There are Grown-up Intelligent People on this Thread , discussing serious issues & you whining about how they express themselves like alittle spoiled Baby trying to get attention, is not wanted nor appreciated by anybody who posts here!
hahahhaha. Its a sad, sad day when a mature adult cannot articulate their thoughts in an intelligent manner without having to resort to profanity to do so, but then maybe that is probably why I see you swearing so often on here: No maturity, no intelligence.

Do not even attempt to limit my RIGHTS to voice my opinion whenever and wherever I chose. I thought you were at least smart enuf not to do that, clearly I was wrong.

“"U.S. Constitution"”

Since: Mar 09

Tea-Party

#34308 May 7, 2012
Really Sassy wrote:
I should make clear that the disasterous economic plan, the "Trickle Down" Economic Theory, was a Plan developed by an Austrian. The Plan developed by a German, that we went by from the end of World WarII until 1980, is the Plan that worked well for ALL of us.
I did know both of their Names, but I have forgotten them.
While tax cuts to 95% of America sounds great on paper, don't forget the back story: If there is no job, there is no income to tax. A tax cut on zero dollars is zero. So, when you make decision to vote, ask yourself, who understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of saving your job. While the media wants to tell you "It's the economy Stupid" I'm telling you it isn't.

If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steamrolled the Constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me in the South Caribbean sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#34309 May 7, 2012
Drex, the TEApublicans campaigned on creating jobs in the last election...they have not done that & they won't even talk about it since the election, except to say something just like you did, which is cut more of the Wealthy's taxes if you want more jobs because the Wealthy are the only Ones who can create jobs.
The truth is that Obama's fought-for efforts are what has created what few jobs have been created in this Country. The Wealthy may have created jobs out of this Country, but not IN this Country & they won't because they want Low-wage, Slave Labor to maximize their profits.
BTW, will you take me with you to the Caribbean? Lol!

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#34311 May 7, 2012
true...very true...those nasty old rich pubs have not reinvested in this country lately...but not for the reasons stated above. Each day, the EPA comes out with more and more excessive regulation..specifically tailored to meet their aggenda and stop job growth. Any businessman worth "their salt" will not people at this point because of obamacare and the massive expenses associated with that. Even when job opportunities land in our lap (keystone) obama has nixed it. Ya can't have it both ways liberals...ya either want job growth or ya don't....but don't complain there is none when your own aggenda has set the background for the same.

“"U.S. Constitution"”

Since: Mar 09

Tea-Party

#34312 May 7, 2012
Today's Illegal Immigration News
Monday, May 7, 2012

IS HILDA SOLIS REALLY SECRETARY OF THE “ILLEGAL” LABOR DEPARTMENT?

That’s the question one reporter asks following her speech at the Building and Construction Trades National Conference where Labor Department Secretary Hilda Solis took the opportunity to stump for amnesty, saying:“We all know that what we really need is comprehensive immigration reform so everyone has a level playing field. So thank you for standing with President Obama on our push for immigration reform.”

Of course, this is not the first time Sec. Solis has peddled amnesty. In August 2011, during a ‘Labor Rights Week’ event, Solis announced that the U.S. government had entered agreements with several foreign countries to protect the “rights” of illegal immigrants illegally working in this country. Back in 2010, Solis announced the “We Can Help” program to protect day laborers, even if they are illegal immigrants, adding 250 field investigators to enforce labor laws, but who would not enforce immigration laws. And let’s not forget the taxpayer funded ad and toll-free hotline for illegal immigrants to report any possible infractions of their ‘rights.’

~~~~~~~~~~

???? Protect the *rights* of illegal (immigrants) illegally working in this country???

???? A level playing field?? Illegals competing with legal Americans for jobs???

???? Infractions of their "rights" ???
Tom

Livingston, TN

#34313 May 7, 2012
The Losers; All Republican

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"Michele Bachmann endorsed Mitt Romney on Thursday. Guess Michele's trying to prove that even though she didn't get the nomination, she's still capable of making those tough decisions."
- Janice Hough
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Sen. John McCain’s Advice to Mitt Romney: Pick a Running Mate You Trust
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/...
This morning on ABC's This Week, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., weighed in on Mitt Romney's hotly anticipated vice presidential pick. The former presidential candidate's advice was clear.

"The absolute, most important aspect is, if something happened to him, would that person be well qualified to take that place?" said McCain. "I happen to believe that was the primary factor in my decision in 2008. And I know it will be Mitt's." ...
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"John McCain advised GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney to pick a running mate “he could trust”. Apparently, the concept of “having a fully functioning brain” still hasn't occurred to him."
- Jerry Perisho
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2012 Veepstakes
http://www.willdurst.com/scenarios/05.05veeps...
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"We're going to beat you like a drum in November. Don't take it personally. You seem like a nice guy, but you're going down, bro."
- Charles Barkley
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"Rick Perry says if Mitt Romney doesn't win “God help us.” And God is thinking, wait a minute, I'm already working on helping Texas survive your being Governor."
- Janice Hough
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"Occupy Wall Street is back. There were protests everywhere... They marched all the way to the White House. It's not easy to get all the way to the White House. Just ask Newt Gingrich."
- Craig Ferguson
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Sad news......
The penguin that bit Newt Gingrich died of Newt Gingrich poisoning.
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"Newt Gingrich dropped out of the GOP presidential race on Wednesday after he won in Georgia and in South Carolina. He nearly won in the Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Louisiana and Alabama primaries. You know you're not in touch with the American people when the only states that support you are the ones that tried to leave the Union.
- Argus Hamilton

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#34314 May 7, 2012
Drex, I believe that "Day Labors" refers to Farm Workers who come here to work during the growing season, but return to their Country (Mexico) during the Off-season, not the Illegals who have set up permanent residence in this Country.
Now, while I oppose even the Day Laborers coming here to only work because they hurt our economy by taking their wages back to Mexico & circulating it in their economy, not ours...I do understand that the Rich Farmers & some Other Employers have to have them because Americans simply cannot and/or will not do the work that the Day Laborers do, in MOST cases. In other cases, it's just a matter of Greedy Employers employing them, instead of Americans, at cheap wages to, again, maximize their profits, which should be stopped. The Employers would rather pay that money to American Politicians to protect them, that to American Workers to work for them, & that's a shame!

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#34315 May 7, 2012
Tom wrote:
The Losers; All Republican
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"Michele Bachmann endorsed Mitt Romney on Thursday. Guess Michele's trying to prove that even though she didn't get the nomination, she's still capable of making those tough decisions."
- Janice Hough
----------
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Sen. John McCain’s Advice to Mitt Romney: Pick a Running Mate You Trust
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/...
This morning on ABC's This Week, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., weighed in on Mitt Romney's hotly anticipated vice presidential pick. The former presidential candidate's advice was clear.
"The absolute, most important aspect is, if something happened to him, would that person be well qualified to take that place?" said McCain. "I happen to believe that was the primary factor in my decision in 2008. And I know it will be Mitt's." ...
----------
"John McCain advised GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney to pick a running mate “he could trust”. Apparently, the concept of “having a fully functioning brain” still hasn't occurred to him."
- Jerry Perisho
----------
2012 Veepstakes
http://www.willdurst.com/scenarios/05.05veeps...
----------
"We're going to beat you like a drum in November. Don't take it personally. You seem like a nice guy, but you're going down, bro."
- Charles Barkley
----------
"Rick Perry says if Mitt Romney doesn't win “God help us.” And God is thinking, wait a minute, I'm already working on helping Texas survive your being Governor."
- Janice Hough
----------
"Occupy Wall Street is back. There were protests everywhere... They marched all the way to the White House. It's not easy to get all the way to the White House. Just ask Newt Gingrich."
- Craig Ferguson
----------
Sad news......
The penguin that bit Newt Gingrich died of Newt Gingrich poisoning.
----------
"Newt Gingrich dropped out of the GOP presidential race on Wednesday after he won in Georgia and in South Carolina. He nearly won in the Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Louisiana and Alabama primaries. You know you're not in touch with the American people when the only states that support you are the ones that tried to leave the Union.
- Argus Hamilton
LMAO @ John McCain & Michelle Bachmann!
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#34316 May 7, 2012
Exasperated1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I honestly believe one of the premiere japanese companies would have bought GM and got it back up and running. Doesn't it strike you as odd, that these same Japanese firms are no doubt making money in the US by having their plants here rather than in japan and shipping them here? Labor is no doubt less expensive there. It might have been a German company as well. But there is NO DOUBT, it would have been bought and back in business without any interference. Our government has no business in the auto industry or the banking industry. I feel 100% certain the framers of our constitution felt the same way.
The Banks were FORCED to give those "risky loans" via our government. Another reason why there should be NO fannie Mae or freddie mac. By the way, did ya see where fanny needs another 19 billion last week? Our government has NO business in the housing industry. period. Its not WHY we have a government. I resent the government's interference in our lives.
I believe we should have LESS government, certainly not in every aspect of our lives. They need to concentrate on infrastructure, security, FDA...the biggies for our safety, but that is about it.
The Japanese E1 ?? Not a chance. Japan has been mired in a depression for more than a decade. None of their car companies could have swung a deal big enough to save GM. Maybe a part of Crysler but not GM.

The banks were forced to give a certain percentage of their loans to risky borrowers. NOBODY forced the investment banks to purchase those mortgages, slice and dice them, submit them numerous times to the rating agencies until they were given a good rating, selling them as "investment vehicles" and then betting against those investments using AIG.
I was good friends with a middle manager in the Countrywide chain.( I have posted this in the past...before you came to this thread I am sure.) Anyway this person told me that the investment banks were SO hungry to buy mortgages originated from Countrywide that her boss instructed the managers that if the borrower was BREATHING find a way to write the loan. The "government" was for the most part...not involved in this E1.
This middle manager was swimming in commission money and bonuses based on giving those breathing borrowers loans. GREED E1..not government....although they both begin with "g".
Without FHA, Fannie, Freddie, FmHA, VA loans etc, a HUGE segment of the population would never have experienced the American dream of homeownership. I guess those investors renting them out might be good for the investors....for the tenants...not so much. Have no fear though, if Mitt is elected, Ryan has plans for all of those agencies.
Belmont hill Mitt

Anderson, CA

#34317 May 7, 2012
Exasperated1 wrote:
<quoted text>
works for me!!(but you do know why I brought up Mr. Immelt in response to an accusation by Mitt). I would like to see the ENTIRE tax code completely eliminated and reworked from scratch. No more loop holes for corporations, no more "poor" families receive MASSIVE earned income credits when they have paid in ZILCH to begin with. If a bill has enuf muster to pass on either side of "the hill" then the other side should at least form a committee to discuss its merits (I think you know what I refer to there). The politicians in Washington have forgotten who they work FOR...maybe we just need a grassroots drive to send them a reminder....we could include a copy of Webster's definition of COMPROMISE...but would hafta send that to the white house as well.
after their army of ninja tax lawyers get through with their tax bills??

the top earners pay an average of about 16 %.

we as citizens paying median income pay about 22%.

middle americans pay federal taxes!! no matter what you say!

I can imagine that you would come up with a taxation regime that would reduce the deficit.?? that is the goal? oui?
we would have to seriously chop into military spending to do so.

during the 90's.
taxation on the ubber wealthy was just 3 percentiles higher!!

that is all we are fighting over!!

the official rate was 39% and the wealthy manage to pay about half of that after most of their income is sheilded in loopholes by the tax code you mentioned.

if we just got rid of some of those, things would be more like they used to.

you are right that the politicians dont work for us anymore.

who do they work for??

arnt you sick of all this corporate, or "dirty" union money getting laundered in our election cycle??

to effectively BUY our elections??

if you are, I shouldnt be hearing crickets when I mention the citizens united decision..

otherwise I can not really take you serioulsy when you make such a statement.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#34318 May 7, 2012
Some People have seriously lost their minds! They are about to cause the rest of us to lose ours & when that happens, then the WAR WILL BE ON!
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