Daniel Zamlen's death ruled accidental drowning; police now foc...

I hope the paper names the people who hosted the party and provided the booze to the kid.

The person responsible for consuming alcohol is Daniel but our vast majority of judean/christen brethen are never completely happy unless someone is burning from moral ineptitude.

We should close down Saint Thomas, a den of drunks and fiends.

If Daniel would have been under the age of 18, I would agree with trying to find out who provided him the alcohol. Since he was 18, he and he alone is responsible for his own behavior. Before he took that first drink, he knew he had diabetes and the combination could prove deadly. He chose while sober to take the first drink and to continue to drink until he was basically in a blackout from the combination of alcohol and in all liklihood insulin shock. He had an insulin pump for petes sake.

Lets place blame where it belongs and utilize the police the way they shoudl be utilized.

It is sad that a life has been lost, but Daniel is to blame for his own death, as hard as that may be to swallow for his family and others.

Personal responsibility wrote:

If Daniel would have been under the age of 18, I would agree with trying to find out who provided him the alcohol. Since he was 18, he and he alone is responsible for his own behavior. Before he took that first drink, he knew he had diabetes and the combination could prove deadly. He chose while sober to take the first drink and to continue to drink until he was basically in a blackout from the combination of alcohol and in all liklihood insulin shock. He had an insulin pump for petes sake.
Lets place blame where it belongs and utilize the police the way they shoudl be utilized.
It is sad that a life has been lost, but Daniel is to blame for his own death, as hard as that may be to swallow for his family and others.

100% agree. Every single person i know drank before they were 21, and knew that it messes you up. Daniel knew alcohol would impare his judgement, yet he comsumed anyway. Its sad he died, but he is responsible since he CHOSE to drink.

He made a bad choice and it probably wasn't the first time. He paid way too high a price but it is over. Hurting other people won't bring him back.

The only one responsible for this young man's death is himself. He was old enough to know and understand his medical condition and that drinking alcohol was dangerous and illegal. I'm sorry his family has had to bury their son but shifting the blame won't bring him back. Nor will it stop college parties from going on until the end of time.

New Mexico has a law where they can arrest a person as "a minor allowing themselves to be server alcohol" along with the person who actually supplies the booze. Seems to make a lot more sense.

Had Enough wrote:

We should close down Saint Thomas, a den of drunks and fiends.

This was a terrible accident. St. Thomas is a great institution that has done great things for the City of St. Paul.

Yes wrote:

I hope the paper names the people who hosted the party and provided the booze to the kid.

Why so some college kid trying to get his degree will be punished for another kid not being responsible....This is a terrible accident and there is no one denying that but Mr. Zamlen was an adult and made an adult decision. There is no crime here.

Yes, Dan did make the choice to drink - & paid the ultimate price. Would he have made that choice if people who are of legal age to buy alcohol made it available? If there was no alcohol available there wouldn't be a choice. Guess what, he wasn't the only underage person drinking at that party - I wonder how the parent's of the passed out girl who people were drawing on with markers would feel if they knew - perhaps she is a friend or relative of someone you know.
It's amazing that you are willing to blame the college, but not the provider of the booze. All the colleges in the country should be shut down if that's the case.
Perhaps when someone you love is killed as a result of someone's consumption of alcohol -underage or not- you will remember to blame your loved one, after all it was their choice to be at that particular place, at that particular time.

dans mom wrote:

Yes, Dan did make the choice to drink - & paid the ultimate price. Would he have made that choice if people who are of legal age to buy alcohol made it available? If there was no alcohol available there wouldn't be a choice. Guess what, he wasn't the only underage person drinking at that party - I wonder how the parent's of the passed out girl who people were drawing on with markers would feel if they knew - perhaps she is a friend or relative of someone you know.
It's amazing that you are willing to blame the college, but not the provider of the booze. All the colleges in the country should be shut down if that's the case.
Perhaps when someone you love is killed as a result of someone's consumption of alcohol -underage or not- you will remember to blame your loved one, after all it was their choice to be at that particular place, at that particular time.

I am so sorry for you loss but we must take personal responsibilty for our own behavior. Unless someone held Dan down and forced him to drink, it's no ones fault but his own. While finding the person that purchased the alcohol may be a source of relief from your pain, it will not bring Dan back. Perhaps you would find relief by educating diabetic students what could happen to them with even the slightest amount of alcohol.

Again, I am very sorry that you lost your son.

Hello, a majority of you on here SUCK at life. It's a LAW - Kevin's Law- Look it up slow kids. If you served me alcohol, it's ILLEGAL. I can't buy it myself.. I'm going to be 18 in October. I'm going to get in your face personally if I hear anyone else complaining about "It was Daniel's choice" Grow up, cause I'm going to assume YOU have NO: Job, life, family, SIBLINGS, friends, or children.
I am his sister I grew up with him for 17 years. I was more afraid of him finding out if I did something wrong that if our parents did.
I can't stand it when someone says "ohh it's his fault." MAYBE IT'S YOUR FAULT! Why aren't you taking our strong opinions and no brain comments to fight against underaged drinking.
I am at my school in Northern Minnesota. I think the cities has a larger problem with it than we do.
I'm allowed to say what ever I want, what are you really going to do to me??
I already lost MY big brother, but it's OK, cause it was "his fault" and we'll never stop college drinking cause YOU ARE OUT BUYING FOR THEM.
Go find something better to do than blame a dead young man.
OR I will find something for you to do!.
Have a glorious day.
Andrea ZAMLEN.
His sister.

Andrea Zamlen wrote:

Hello, a majority of you on here **** at life. It's a LAW - Kevin's Law- Look it up slow kids. If you served me alcohol, it's ILLEGAL. I can't buy it myself.. I'm going to be 18 in October. I'm going to get in your face personally if I hear anyone else complaining about "It was Daniel's choice" Grow up, cause I'm going to assume YOU have NO: Job, life, family, SIBLINGS, friends, or children.
I am his sister I grew up with him for 17 years. I was more afraid of him finding out if I did something wrong that if our parents did.
I can't stand it when someone says "ohh it's his fault." MAYBE IT'S YOUR FAULT! Why aren't you taking our strong opinions and no brain comments to fight against underaged drinking.
I am at my school in Northern Minnesota. I think the cities has a larger problem with it than we do.
I'm allowed to say what ever I want, what are you really going to do to me??
I already lost MY big brother, but it's OK, cause it was "his fault" and we'll never stop college drinking cause YOU ARE OUT BUYING FOR THEM.
Go find something better to do than blame a dead young man.
OR I will find something for you to do!.
Have a glorious day.
Andrea ZAMLEN.
His sister.

WOW! Great family representation, I would think that the Zamlen family would choose a better spokes person. Regardless, I am sorry you lost your brother, hopefully you learn from this sad situation.

I guarantee you if this was my brother or son the host of that party would be suffering!!!

Surprised that name hasn't come out yet.

If you were afraid of Daniel finding out about something you did wrong than your parents. It would seem he had a degree of intelligence and thoughtful choice regarding how he chose to live his life. He paid a high price. Being young too often means you think you are invincible. You are not. Daniel paid a high price. I hope others can learn from his terrible mistake. This was a choice, and he made it.

Blaming others is only going to keep you from moving on and fixating on a very tragic point in Daniel's life. Remember the more positive things.

dans mom wrote:

Yes, Dan did make the choice to drink - & paid the ultimate price. Would he have made that choice if people who are of legal age to buy alcohol made it available? If there was no alcohol available there wouldn't be a choice. Guess what, he wasn't the only underage person drinking at that party - I wonder how the parent's of the passed out girl who people were drawing on with markers would feel if they knew - perhaps she is a friend or relative of someone you know.
It's amazing that you are willing to blame the college, but not the provider of the booze. All the colleges in the country should be shut down if that's the case.
Perhaps when someone you love is killed as a result of someone's consumption of alcohol -underage or not- you will remember to blame your loved one, after all it was their choice to be at that particular place, at that particular time.

Life isn't fair, it can be quite cruel. I hope you find peace.

Andrea Zamlen wrote:

Hello, a majority of you on here **** at life. It's a LAW - Kevin's Law- Look it up slow kids. If you served me alcohol, it's ILLEGAL. I can't buy it myself.. I'm going to be 18 in October. I'm going to get in your face personally if I hear anyone else complaining about "It was Daniel's choice" Grow up, cause I'm going to assume YOU have NO: Job, life, family, SIBLINGS, friends, or children.
I am his sister I grew up with him for 17 years. I was more afraid of him finding out if I did something wrong that if our parents did.
I can't stand it when someone says "ohh it's his fault." MAYBE IT'S YOUR FAULT! Why aren't you taking our strong opinions and no brain comments to fight against underaged drinking.
I am at my school in Northern Minnesota. I think the cities has a larger problem with it than we do.
I'm allowed to say what ever I want, what are you really going to do to me??
I already lost MY big brother, but it's OK, cause it was "his fault" and we'll never stop college drinking cause YOU ARE OUT BUYING FOR THEM.
Go find something better to do than blame a dead young man.
OR I will find something for you to do!.
Have a glorious day.
Andrea ZAMLEN.
His sister.

first, my deepest sympathy to you and your family during this horrific time.
this was certainly a tragedy, and everyone likes to find blame. i believe there is plenty of blame to go around. daniel was just about 19. that is plenty old enough to make decisions. it is called being responsible. we can blame whoever hosted the party, we can blame whoever provided the booze. we can blame daniel for partaking in it. i personally also find blame with the girls who took his phone call, heard him cry for help, but did nothing further. i read they thought he got in a car and got a ride home or something ridiculous. no one that screams for help and their phone cuts out is okay. others at the party could have been looking out for him as well, like when he left the party someone could have gone after him. basically, there are a lot of people to blame.
unfortunately, blaming anyone does not bring him back.

let's hope his story can be used as a lesson to others and his story, while tragic, can save lives.

again, my deepest sympathies to you and your family and friends. i cannot even imagine what you must be going through.
however, I would stop reading any comments on these threads. it is not worth your heartache.

Yes wrote:

I hope the paper names the people who hosted the party and provided the booze to the kid.

Should be murder !!

Personal responsibility wrote:

If Daniel would have been under the age of 18, I would agree with trying to find out who provided him the alcohol. Since he was 18, he and he alone is responsible for his own behavior. Before he took that first drink, he knew he had diabetes and the combination could prove deadly. He chose while sober to take the first drink and to continue to drink until he was basically in a blackout from the combination of alcohol and in all liklihood insulin shock. He had an insulin pump for petes sake.
Lets place blame where it belongs and utilize the police the way they shoudl be utilized.
It is sad that a life has been lost, but Daniel is to blame for his own death, as hard as that may be to swallow for his family and others.

Tell that to all the bar owners who can get sued for serving to much booze to a customer.