Carroll Valley killing suspect has a history of violence

This is interesting in light of the comments made by Ski Liberty Marketing Director Anne Weimer who stated that Armstrong does not have a history of negative behavior. Apparently Ski Liberty has a weak employee screening program.

Harry Smith wrote:

This is interesting in light of the comments made by Ski Liberty Marketing Director Anne Weimer who stated that Armstrong does not have a history of negative behavior. Apparently Ski Liberty has a weak employee screening program.

If you are going to be a supervisor of 14 years old and up, shouldn't there have been a background check. I would have never let my son work there if I knew that the man who was supervising him had a horrible criminal record. He seems very violent to me. So much for all who said he was a nice guy!!!

Sounds like he has a serious problem with alcohol...

just curious wrote:

<quoted text> If you are going to be a supervisor of 14 years old and up, shouldn't there have been a background check. I would have never let my son work there if I knew that the man who was supervising him had a horrible criminal record. He seems very violent to me. So much for all who said he was a nice guy!!!

He was a nice guy. He was never violent at work. In the 3 years that I worked with him I don't think I even heard him raise his voice. No-one who worked around him would have ever thought he'd be capable of something like this.

sss wrote:

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He was a nice guy. He was never violent at work. In the 3 years that I worked with him I don't think I even heard him raise his voice. No-one who worked around him would have ever thought he'd be capable of something like this.

The fact is he did what he did and Liberty should have ran a background check!!!!!

I believe something happened last winter(2007) that was swept under the carpet. Many teens got fired that was working on his watch.I believe it involved underage drinking. A parent found out and complained. I don't know all the details but I am sure the teens that were involved and management at Liberty know. It is worth someone looking into...

neighbor wrote:

<quoted text>The fact is he did what he did and Liberty should have ran a background check!!!!!

He did do what he did, and there's no changing that. I think we all understand that.

There wasn't anything anyone at Liberty could have done to prevent it. The crime wasn't commited on their time or property. Even if they did do background checks, what would have prevented them from hiring him? People with criminal histories need to make an income somehow, and just because you have a past doesn't mean you automatically get denied employment.

worth looking into wrote:

I believe something happened last winter(2007) that was swept under the carpet. Many teens got fired that was working on his watch.I believe it involved underage drinking. A parent found out and complained. I don't know all the details but I am sure the teens that were involved and management at Liberty know. It is worth someone looking into...

Kids went down to their cars and were drinking while on the clock. Rules were changed after that. Nothing to do with this story. Stop digging.

sss wrote:

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Kids went down to their cars and were drinking while on the clock. Rules were changed after that. Nothing to do with this story. Stop digging.

The fact is, if Liberty would have done a criminal background check, I doubt he would have worked there and he wouldn't have been put in a situation where many people trusted him. People tend to trust authority. They may have never met. I think that it does have alot to do with this situation due to the fact Liberty hired someone that had a history of violence and put him in a position working with young teens, not to mention the children who are customers.

...there seems to be a pattern here. He's charged, found guilty (of murder
or whatever), sentenced and then....
Voila! Some nutty judge puts him on
probation so he can kick somebody
else senseless. And don't blame the alcohol; this guy is a menace and
evil personified, drunk or sober.

Don't come down on Liberty, they do screen their employees and ask for refferences. This has nothing to do with them. He was never violent at work, even when others were acting disturbed or angry he was always calm. The violence was hust that, in his past. If you read the whole article, it seems he had grown up since then and tried very hard to get his life on track after being out of control (due to alcohol and anger) on 2 occasions, one when he was 18 and one when he was 26. He had paid for his behavior and seemed to have learned from its consequences. He got his GED, got married, had a child and was doing his best to be a good husband, father employee and friend. I don't know what happened or why. I hope we find out someday. What he has done is deplorable and inexcusable

Why did PSP take this case? Why do we have local police? It seems to me that PSP should just take over everyone's territory since the yokels can't get it done themselves.

Thank you PSP for being there. You guys are the best.

so now it's liberty's fault?
if they(jason and andy) worked at burger king, would it be their fault then?

we could probably blame the entire world, but as sad as it is, it won't bring andy back.
quit playing the blame game.
jason admitted, to a few people from what i read, that he killed andy. there's the one you can put the blame on.

Nobody at Liberty is to blame for what happened, but perhaps for putting kids under the authority and influence of this violent criminal. If my kid worked at Liberty, I would be expecting some answers why they would be introduced to and be under the authority of someone with this background. There is something to be said for being informed of potentially dangerous criminals. And are there other supervisors with similar records. There are a LOT of kids who work there and the last thing they need at that point in their life is a supervisor who is a bad influence. Ski Liberty has a certain responsibility to these kids in that regard.

worth looking into wrote:

I believe something happened last winter(2007) that was swept under the carpet. Many teens got fired that was working on his watch.I believe it involved underage drinking. A parent found out and complained. I don't know all the details but I am sure the teens that were involved and management at Liberty know. It is worth someone looking into...

And why were the teens fired, rather than the boss who allowed it? One would assume Liberty was aware of Jason's background and were afraid of him.

worth looking into wrote:

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The fact is, if Liberty would have done a criminal background check, I doubt he would have worked there and he wouldn't have been put in a situation where many people trusted him. People tend to trust authority. They may have never met. I think that it does have alot to do with this situation due to the fact Liberty hired someone that had a history of violence and put him in a position working with young teens, not to mention the children who are customers.

Back ground check? If he was going to do this, it would not have mattered where he work, just a different victim. You seem like the type of person that would sue Ski Liberty for this mans actions.

Get a life!

Andy was my friend and everyone is really sad about it. Jason may have been nice but he must have had some sort of rage for some reason. All we can do is celebrate Andy's life and be glad Jason is put away. We can't blame Ski Liberty just because we want reasons and answers. Jason did a horrible thing and the only one to blame is him.

RIP Andy

A man gets 30yrs in prison for stealing money,yet its ok to get a 2nd offense for hurting a human and get probation.
These judges need to be sent back to school or something.

Joe in Hangover wrote:

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Back ground check? If he was going to do this, it would not have mattered where he work, just a different victim. You seem like the type of person that would sue Ski Liberty for this mans actions.
Get a life!

I have never sued anyone in my life. I, as a mother, am upset that these young kids were supervised by a violent man. Ski Liberty has a responsibility to make sure that their employees are checked out before putting them in a position of supervising children. When I volunteer at the school, they do a background check. My child worked for this man, and I assumed that Liberty would choose their supervisors a little more carefully.