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We should worry more about home-grown radicals, says national security analyst

http://politix.topix.com/homepage/1678-white-...

A slew of media sources have covered the white supremacist and neo-Nazi ties of Wade Michael Page, the gunman believed to have killed six at a Sikh temple on Sunday.

The attack is being treated by the FBI as domestic terrorism, and that's prompted Peter Bergen, CNN's national security analyst, to ask whether right-wing extremists pose as much of a domestic terrorism threat as Al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda-linked militants have caused 17 deaths in four attacks on US soil since September 11, according to Bergen's analysis. In the same period, he writes, far right extremists have killed 15 in at least nine attacks, if Sunday's shooting in Wisconsin is included in the count.

In the past year, he adds, the FBI has convicted several white supremacists of plotting violent attacks - like Kevin Harpham, who was jailed for 32 years for planting a bomb at a Martin Luther King Jr. parade. And in 2011, four men in Georgia were arrested for planning an attack with ricin.

KKK GO AWAY! AMANDA TWO -Go back to California - we don't want you here spreading your hate in Arkansas.
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We should worry more about home-grown radicals, says national security analyst
http://politix.topix.com/homepage/1678-white-...
A slew of media sources have covered the white supremacist and neo-Nazi ties of Wade Michael Page, the gunman believed to have killed six at a Sikh temple on Sunday.
The attack is being treated by the FBI as domestic terrorism, and that's prompted Peter Bergen, CNN's national security analyst, to ask whether right-wing extremists pose as much of a domestic terrorism threat as Al Qaeda.
Al Qaeda-linked militants have caused 17 deaths in four attacks on US soil since September 11, according to Bergen's analysis. In the same period, he writes, far right extremists have killed 15 in at least nine attacks, if Sunday's shooting in Wisconsin is included in the count.
In the past year, he adds, the FBI has convicted several white supremacists of plotting violent attacks - like Kevin Harpham, who was jailed for 32 years for planting a bomb at a Martin Luther King Jr. parade. And in 2011, four men in Georgia were arrested for planning an attack with ricin.
KKK GO AWAY! AMANDA TWO -Go back to California - we don't want you here spreading your hate in Arkansas.
Have you noticed Amanda hasn't been here since that temple shooting? Maybe she's on the run.
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Have you noticed Amanda hasn't been here since that temple shooting? Maybe she's on the run.
She still spreads her hate shamelessly every day. Posts in Florida a lot where the Trayvon Martin case is still fresh. In threads like "The KKK is alive and well in Florida." She sure is a lot more distasteful after something like this isn't she?
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Hundreds of white supremacist groups are active in the US today and are experiencing a kind of resurgence, experts say.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/07/us/white-suprem...

Hundreds of white supremacist groups are active in the US today and are experiencing a kind of resurgence, experts say.

They are in the spotlight this week in the wake of a deadly shooting at a Sikh temple outside Milwaukee. Authorities have said they are looking into whether the gunman, who was killed, had ties to such a group.

"I know they're out there. I try not to alarm the public, but it's something that really needs to be taken a hold of now because more we see facts coming out that this is happening more often, and it's not going to stop anytime soon," said David Gletty, who worked as an undercover informant on extremist groups for the FBI.

Currently, there are more than 1,000 hate groups in the US, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks them and says it was tracking the WI gunman for years before the attack.

Wade Michael Page, 40, was a "frustrated neo-Nazi," said the center. His tattoos included the Celtic cross adopted by white supremacist groups, and he was a member of two "racist skinhead" bands, it said.

In addition, he was associated with Hammerskin Nation, according to Mark Potok, director of the center. "Hammerskins are the scariest, most violent skinhead group out there. So Page was in the middle of a scene that really was very violent, hyperpolitical. And he was not on the fringes of this scene. He was really in the thick of it."

On its website, Hammerskin Nation says it is "a leaderless group of men and women who have adopted the White Power Skinhead lifestyle." It adds, "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children."

Jack Levin, a professor of sociology and criminology at Northeastern Univ in Boston, pointed to several factors behind the strength of white supremacist groups, including a flagging economy and the election of the country's first black president.

"During tough economic times, the credibility of mainstream institutions and leaders declines dramatically and what happens is that more Americans have given up resolving their problems in the middle and have gone to the extremes," he said.

But there's a twist.

While the number of white supremacist groups is rising, the overall impact is not clear, said Levin.

That's because the groups, while there are more of them, are smaller, he said, adding that their splintering makes the cells more dangerous and difficult to disrupt.

"It's harder for the FBI to find an informant. It's more difficult for them to infiltrate. A small number of good friends can do incredible damage," said Levin.

Mark Pitcavage, director of investigative research at the Anti-Defamation League, said right-wing extremism is experiencing a resurgence.

But to grow, white supremacist groups have to buck a long-term trend toward inclusion, he said. "For the white supremacist movement to expand, that's swimming upstream."

According to Levin and Gletty, one of the main ways the groups recruit is through far-right music.

"The music is a very creative tool and a very important tool for bringing in the youth. They bring in these kids that are on the outskirts of society that feel rejected by society ... They brainwash them into believing that hate is the way to go and following them is the only way to go," said Gletty.

"There are many teens who commit what I would call thrill hate crimes," said Levin. "Often, they're inspired by the white power rock lyrics and the literature of white power groups. They may not themselves be members of these groups, but they are influenced by them."

In such a way, these groups can have an impact greater than their numbers.

"We have 300 million people in this country, so even the fringe of the fringe is a lot of folks," said Pitcavage
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what about the fort hood shooting ,the fed government calls it a work place incident,what about the shooting in arkansas at the recuiting office oh yea he was a muslim too.
but they acknowledge this guy being a terrorist!!
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<quoted text>Have you noticed Amanda hasn't been here since that temple shooting? Maybe she's on the run.
oh shut up. She has just as much right to voice her opinions on who commits the most violent crimes, who tends to sell drugs instead of working, who sits on the porches, who wears their pants down to their knees, as you two asshats have a right sitting here arguing that it's not so.
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what about the fort hood shooting ,the fed government calls it a work place incident,what about the shooting in arkansas at the recuiting office oh yea he was a muslim too.
but they acknowledge this guy being a terrorist!!
You right wingers are so not funny:

Fort Hood shooting was terrorism, U.S. says

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/01/15/us-...

The shooting rampage at a U.S. Army base in November was "an act of terrorism," an Obama administration official said on Friday, as the Pentagon ordered an overhaul of protocols to spot threats within the military.
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Racist and "hyperpolitical" - sound familiar?
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oh shut up. She has just as much right to voice her opinions on who commits the most violent crimes, who tends to sell drugs instead of working, who sits on the porches, who wears their pants down to their knees, as you two asshats have a right sitting here arguing that it's not so.
This is what you are supporting?

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/sanford-fl/T7...

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We should worry more about home-grown radicals, says national security analyst
http://politix.topix.com/homepage/1678-white-...
A slew of media sources have covered the white supremacist and neo-Nazi ties of Wade Michael Page, the gunman believed to have killed six at a Sikh temple on Sunday.
The attack is being treated by the FBI as domestic terrorism, and that's prompted Peter Bergen, CNN's national security analyst, to ask whether right-wing extremists pose as much of a domestic terrorism threat as Al Qaeda.
Al Qaeda-linked militants have caused 17 deaths in four attacks on US soil since September 11, according to Bergen's analysis. In the same period, he writes, far right extremists have killed 15 in at least nine attacks, if Sunday's shooting in Wisconsin is included in the count.
In the past year, he adds, the FBI has convicted several white supremacists of plotting violent attacks - like Kevin Harpham, who was jailed for 32 years for planting a bomb at a Martin Luther King Jr. parade. And in 2011, four men in Georgia were arrested for planning an attack with ricin.
KKK GO AWAY! AMANDA TWO -Go back to California - we don't want you here spreading your hate in Arkansas.
It's not a question of what's happened since 9-11 it's what happened on 9-11.I don't think 15 killed in nine attacks is a very good comparison to what Al Qaeda did on 9-11.
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<quoted text>It's not a question of what's happened since 9-11 it's what happened on 9-11.I don't think 15 killed in nine attacks is a very good comparison to what Al Qaeda did on 9-11.
Al Qaeda and the neo-Nazis are both terrorist organizations and we shouldn't tolerate either one of them.
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<quoted text>It's not a question of what's happened since 9-11 it's what happened on 9-11.I don't think 15 killed in nine attacks is a very good comparison to what Al Qaeda did on 9-11.
So we can kick in all the thousands the KKK has killed in US history? You guys will do anything but admit that racists killings are a problem.
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So we can kick in all the thousands the KKK has killed in US history? You guys will do anything but admit that racists killings are a problem.
What is your source that says KKK has killed thousands?
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Not keeping tabs but kkk is as much terrorists as al queda. And they live among us so they should all be jailed permanently. They're too hard to rehab and are no better than child molesters. We got no use for them in modern society.
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I suppose the Black Panthers who operate with a blind eye from Washington are just misguided youths?
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What is your source that says KKK has killed thousands?
"Across the South, the Klan and other terrorist groups used brutal violence to intimidate Republican voters. In Kansas, over 2,000 murders were committed in connection with the election. In Georgia, the number of threats and beatings was even higher. And in Louisiana, 1000 blacks were killed as the election neared. In those three states, Democrats won decisive victories at the polls."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/fe...

And that's just one piece of their history.
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You can't judge all white supremacists on the actions of a few, most just want peace and to be left alone.
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You can't judge all white supremacists on the actions of a few, most just want peace and to be left alone.
So when are we going to learn not to judge 2 billion Muslims over the actions of a few? And isn't judging all blacks by the actions of a few what white supremacy is all about?
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The majority of white groups are only into the preservation of their race.
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<quoted text>So when are we going to learn not to judge 2 billion Muslims over the actions of a few? And isn't judging all blacks by the actions of a few what white supremacy is all about?
and we shouldn't judge all sharks by the actions of a few that like to eat people

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