Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

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paul wrote:

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Well done.

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KiMare wrote:

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Slimy, slimy, slimy...
Why do gays have to resort to such dubious tactics to justify their argument? You need to ask yourself what that says about your cause.
Gays have used unscientific studies with unqualified participants to justify gay marriage and adoption. That is now not only admitted by professionals (who already knew it, but ignored it), but this study is the first long term study of eight family types using over 3000 participants. Their focus was to take a snap shot in the normal world. What they found was that gay couples with children had exactly the same situation as straight foster, step and adopted families, only slightly more negative. What those gay and straight families could not and never can directly identify with is marriage with biological children. Those continue to out perform all other types of families. Moreover, biological parents and children prefer that situation over any other by a extreme measure!
You want a select group segregated from other situations to hopefully try to disprove the evolutionary normal. Only happen if you abuse the scientific method. Oh wait, you already did that...

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KiMare wrote:

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Thank you Paul

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dances with weebles wrote:

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you do realise, don't you, that unless you're either gay and looking to get married, or are supporting the rights of gays to get married, then none of this is your business at all.

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paul wrote:

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You are welcome. This is one angry site.

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dances with weebles wrote:

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well, i've got a grandson who is trying his damnedest to prove that it's more than an 'unproven idea'. what's more, he's got something just as good as a mother and a father... he's got a woman who is his mother and father combined, and also a second mother. not only that, but he's got uncles, aunts, and a whole slew of grandparents who adore him, so piss off.
unethical my bleeding hemorrhoids.

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KiMare wrote:

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Yeh, it is my business for countless reasons.
Censorship? Really?! Are you serious?
You really 'think' changes of this magnitude don't affect everyone?
Trying to pass a gay twirl with me???
Smile.

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KiMare wrote:

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Weebles, you never explained this. Surely there is a article about it you could share?...
By the way, the closest one person could be to being a mother and father combined is me, a lesbian trapped in a straight man's body.
I would never deliberately plant that relationship on a child. It could only, ever be, solely for my benefit, not theirs.
A truly caring parent grieves for their child, even struggle with horrible guilt (deserved or not), when some circumstance imposes the loss of a parent on their child.

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KiMare wrote:

Good question. Here are some responses and thoughts;
If you
believe denying marriage to a relationship
will prevent love
If you
demand any committed relationship
has to be called marriage
If you
claim rights and benefits can only be acquired
by a imposition on marriage
If you
equate the diversity of two genders
with the redundancy of same genders
If you
desecrate the sacred tradition of all major religions
and violate the historic practice of every single culture in history
If you
believe a fundamental change to the building block of society
will have absolutely no affect
If you
think a law can change
the reality of crucial distinctions in relationships
If you
pretend duplicating sexuality
is the same as blending masculinity and femininity
If you
condemn some children to parents of only one gender
and deliberately deny some children one natural parent
If you
ignore the design of sexual union
to manipulate a harmful act
If you
violate evolution's law of reproduction
to equate a genetic dead end
If you
risk the healthiest human relationship
to include one of the unhealthiest
If you
parallel the sole birthplace of every other relationship
with one that can reproduce none
If you
dilute all these things
down to just 'a committed relationship of two people'
Then, and only then, can you equate same-sex unions with marriage.

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KiMare wrote:

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Slimy, slimy, slimy...
Why do gays have to resort to such dubious tactics to justify their argument? You need to ask yourself what that says about your cause.
Gays have used unscientific studies with unqualified participants to justify gay marriage and adoption. That is now not only admitted by professionals (who already knew it, but ignored it), but this study is the first long term study of eight family types using over 3000 participants. Their focus was to take a snap shot in the normal world. What they found was that gay couples with children had exactly the same situation as straight foster, step and adopted families, only slightly more negative. What those gay and straight families could not and never can directly identify with is marriage with biological children. Those continue to out perform all other types of families. Moreover, biological parents and children prefer that situation over any other by a extreme measure!
You want a select group segregated from other situations to hopefully try to disprove the evolutionary normal. Only happen if you abuse the scientific method. Oh wait, you already did that...

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dances with weebles wrote:

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what the hell are you talking about here...'the truly caring parent grieves for their child for what?
and the articles are all out there for everybody to read... go to the research hospitals and ask questions about female sperm through stem-cell therapy. it's happening quite often now. a woman can fertilise her own ovum, or use the stem cells of another woman.
it seems that now women have the capability and the joy of being able to chlorinate the gene pool and do away with the genetic lines of people who would say stupid things like 'i'm a lesbian trapped in a straight man's body'. either that or you're trying to tell us that you're a transsexual without actually coming out and saying it. are you ashamed of the truth?
it's time for you to come into the 21st century, i guess, so that you can see all the wonderful things that god is enabling our doctors and medical scientists to perform for our good.

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dances with weebles wrote:

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what the hell are you talking about here...'the truly caring parent grieves for their child for what?
and the articles are all out there for everybody to read... go to the research hospitals and ask questions about female sperm through stem-cell therapy. it's happening quite often now. a woman can fertilise her own ovum, or use the stem cells of another woman.
it seems that now women have the capability and the joy of being able to chlorinate the gene pool and do away with the genetic lines of people who would say stupid things like 'i'm a lesbian trapped in a straight man's body'. either that or you're trying to tell us that you're a transsexual without actually coming out and saying it. are you ashamed of the truth?
it's time for you to come into the 21st century, i guess, so that you can see all the wonderful things that god is enabling our doctors and medical scientists to perform for our good.

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Not Yet Equal wrote:

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Talk about twirl.
Nowhere in this list of prejudices is there any scientifically supportable justification nor legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of equal rights.
The appeal to appease religious beliefs not shared by all believers, reveals the opposition comes from a religious interpretation. This ignores the fact atheists are still allowed to marry and do so every day.

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Not Yet Equal wrote:

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As usual, you rely on demeaning, pejorative terminology while promoting false information.
Again, this study compared intact straight families to non intact families. It showed what we already know: intact families fare better than non intact families. It did not show children of intact same sex parents do not do equally as well as children of non intact families.
The attempt to denigrated and demean same sex parent families by using false comparisons fulfills the definition most attach to the pejorative term "slime".

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staggers with drunks wrote:

Whatever you are drinking..I would like to order a whole case.
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KiMare wrote:

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Post one example.

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KiMare wrote:

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-You are confusing prejudice with facts.
-Every single point distinguishes marriage from gay unions. You have to be blind in one eye, can't see out of the other, deaf and incredibly dumb to ignore any one of them.
-I appealed to no religious belief. I simply pointed out the crass uncivilized trampling of social customs INCLUDING RELIGION. No caring person would desecrate every single significant religion and culture in existence!
*You have provided nothing that equates gay unions with the relationally unique union of diverse genders that are the sole and natural source of human fruit.