“How Do You Avoid Apathy? ”

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#42 May 23, 2012
noshellswill wrote:
<quoted text>Sociopath? I don't know. Try this comparison.

Typhoid Mary was a quiet, well spoken young Irish servant girl who felt her "rights" to free association and employ entitled her to contact and infect dozens of young children with the disease she carried yet did **not** express. She understood she was a disease carrier, but never saw that constrained her rights-of-association. Similarly our failure to coldly gulag all HIV+ carriers killed tens of thousands of blameless Americans.

Typhoid Mary was a MONSTER, eventually restrained and isolated, kinda like modern FACEBOOK capitalists or gangstabroz krak pushers. Or arguably like our gun-toting young lady.....

This type of subtle yet horrific behavior is supposed to be "caught" by forced sentencing. A few semi.**innocents** get thrown under the bus, but that happens with any **medication**. The pills cure most, and kill a few unlucky out-liers. You still push the pills as a most probable cure ... nothing to see so move on.
Where did this Mary contact with children occur?

I still don't see how this example fits in with this story.

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#43 May 24, 2012
So what are the facts here?
1. She was convicted by a jury of her peers on the charges brought against her.
2. The Judge abided by the laws that governor him when it comes to sentencing.
3. Alexander had a chance for a plea agreement the case went to the trial despite her case qualifying for a 20 year minimum mandatory sentence. She was aware of the chance she was taking.
4. Mandatory Sentences and Zero Tolerance laws are Assignee.
5. Connie Brown she open her mouth more often because she is better than most comics of today.
Now a question:
1. Wonder if Alexander have been charged with three counts of aggravated assault if she had just killed the abusive POS. No bullets being randomly discharged into a wall.
2. Mrs. Brown Spoke of a “white man was convicted of murder in Jacksonville on Friday and sentenced to 15 years” what murder count? Context does matter.

Zero Tolerance laws equal Zero Brains, Zero Common Sense (which is not common) and Zero Freedom!!!!!!
noshellswill

Saint Augustine, FL

#44 May 24, 2012
thamanjimmy wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did this Mary contact with children occur?
I still don't see how this example fits in with this story.
Typhoid Mary was a 19-th Century American "servant/maid" working in the homes of wealthy families. Interesting & complex case, medical and legal .. look it up on WIKI.

The current woman PERP ... on probation for previous felony ...**felt** she had a right to get-a-gun and shoot it ... tuff-titty the law says otherwise and proscribes fierce penalties. She got 'em!

Perhaps the far-sighted "wise King" remits her sentence ... should we be so wise as to hire a king!

Corey Embarrasses Florida

Gambrills, MD

#45 May 25, 2012
Angela Corey has the nation wondering what is wrong with Florida over this case.
The neighborhood watch case is building up to be more of a fiasco. The more evidence I hear about the case, the less I support charges. At best it's a weak case!

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#46 May 25, 2012
Corey Embarrasses Florida wrote:
Angela Corey has the nation wondering what is wrong with Florida over this case.
The neighborhood watch case is building up to be more of a fiasco. The more evidence I hear about the case, the less I support charges. At best it's a weak case!
When I voted in this poll, I said NEED MORE EVIDENCE. And we do. I still know a couple of facts. A teenager is dead. Zimmerman is alive. Martin had NO weapons. Zimmerman had a gun and used it. Martin was doing NOTHING illegal when approached. Zimmerman was TOLD by the 911 dispatcher to NOT approach the person.

That alone is enough evidence ON FACE VALUE to say that Zimmerman is guilty of a couple of things. The kid is dead and even if the kid went after Zimmerman, he had no weapon. Zimmerman could have retreated to his car. He is following this kid like a stalking animal and at one point in the tapes does not even know where he is while chasing the kid.Zimmerman had the UPPER hand the entire time. It is HIS choices that caused this. The kid was doing nothing but walking to the store for a drink and some candy.

Zimmerman is going to be found guilty and he is going to jail. We only need more information to determine for HOW LONG!

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#47 May 25, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>When I voted in this poll, I said NEED MORE EVIDENCE. And we do. I still know a couple of facts. A teenager is dead. Zimmerman is alive. Martin had NO weapons. Zimmerman had a gun and used it. Martin was doing NOTHING illegal when approached. Zimmerman was TOLD by the 911 dispatcher to NOT approach the person.
That alone is enough evidence ON FACE VALUE to say that Zimmerman is guilty of a couple of things. The kid is dead and even if the kid went after Zimmerman, he had no weapon. Zimmerman could have retreated to his car. He is following this kid like a stalking animal and at one point in the tapes does not even know where he is while chasing the kid.Zimmerman had the UPPER hand the entire time. It is HIS choices that caused this. The kid was doing nothing but walking to the store for a drink and some candy.
Zimmerman is going to be found guilty and he is going to jail. We only need more information to determine for HOW LONG!
Come on Selecia, based on your post you seem to be implying that Zimmerman should had asked Mr. Martin if he had a Gun? Really? If someone attacks you will you start asking them questions about what weapons they may have or which martial arts skills? Based on some of your past post I don’t see you doing that.

Yes Mr. Martin is dead and Zimmerman is at least guilty of questionable judgment and in a civil case for wrongful death he will lose as will the home owners association. Have you read the state law and thus requirements to find someone guilty of second degree murder? Unless the jury has the option to find him guilty of a lesser charge, like manslaughter I will be shocked if he is found guilty based on the information we currently have.
noshellswill

Saint Augustine, FL

#48 May 25, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>When I voted in this poll, I said NEED MORE EVIDENCE. And we do. I still know a couple of facts. A teenager is dead. Zimmerman is alive. Martin had NO weapons. Zimmerman had a gun and used it. Martin was doing NOTHING illegal when approached. Zimmerman was TOLD by the 911 dispatcher to NOT approach the person.
That alone is enough evidence ON FACE VALUE to say that Zimmerman is guilty of a couple of things. The kid is dead and even if the kid went after Zimmerman, he had no weapon. Zimmerman could have retreated to his car. He is following this kid like a stalking animal and at one point in the tapes does not even know where he is while chasing the kid.Zimmerman had the UPPER hand the entire time. It is HIS choices that caused this. The kid was doing nothing but walking to the store for a drink and some candy.
Zimmerman is going to be found guilty and he is going to jail. We only need more information to determine for HOW LONG!
Here's what we know: punk Negro savage attacks white man. White man shoots him dead. With Bantu out of control (see all the posted examples), this self.defence action should be performed to repulse every attack.

Protects innocents, culls herd, rejects victimhood and stiffens the spine. Next ...
Westside conservative

Jacksonville, FL

#49 May 25, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>When I voted in this poll, I said NEED MORE EVIDENCE. And we do. I still know a couple of facts. Zimmerman was TOLD by the 911 dispatcher to NOT approach the person.
That alone is enough evidence ON FACE VALUE to say that Zimmerman is guilty of a couple of things. Zimmerman had the UPPER hand the entire time. It is HIS choices that caused this. The kid was doing nothing but walking to the store for a drink and some candy.
Zimmerman is going to be found guilty and he is going to jail.
This is the same false information that the media has passed on and on.

straight from mother jones website not really a right wing site there is
"911 dispatcher:
Are you following him?[2:24]

Zimmerman:
Yeah.[2:25]

911 dispatcher:
OK.
We don’t need you to do that.[2:26]"

They did not tell him not to follow nor to stop but we don't need you to do that. That is not a don't follow him by any stretch of the imagination and would leave a reasonable person who is concerned about a suspicious person in their neighborhood to feel free to keep eyes on them until the police show up. Otherwise why bother to call because the police would probably be unable to locate him without a good idea of where he last was.

I do believe Zimmerman used a racial slur while on the phone and while idiotic, I don't believe that affects what followed.

According to the call Zimmerman saw him wondering in and out around the houses. Even if you live in a neighborhood you don't go wandering around your neighbor's house in the middle of the afternoon. Now granted we don't know what Zimmerman mean when he said wandering it could be he was trying to make things sound more suspicious to the police or it could be that Martin was cutting through yards. Things we don't know with the evidence at hand.

So at some point there was a confrontation. Now Zimmerman claimed he lost sight of Martin and was returning to his vehicle when Martin attacked him from behind. Again facts from one party only. Now some say they have no problem with Martin approaching Zimmerman for following him but yet say Zimmerman never should have followed Martin but waited for the police. How does that work? You can't follow a suspicious person in your neighborhood but should call the police and yet its perfectly fine to confront and even attack someone who is following you without calling the police. Really?

Finally we have the fight and witness stories have changed. What has been consistent is that Zimmerman has injuries consistent with a pretty significant beating. We even have a witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman pummeling him, "MMA" style. At some point Zimmerman claims he was in fear for his life and pulled his weapon firing one shot striking and killing Martin.

So as you have told us in the past that you are always armed I ask you to put yourself in a similar scenario. You see a suspicious person walking through your neighborhood and call police. The person confronts you and knocks you to the ground. Once your on the ground that person begins striking you continuously and it is clearly apparent you are losing this fight. Knowing that you are armed, lost the physical confrontation, this person continues striking you even though you are out of the fight and you have no clue what will happen when you lose consciousness what will you do? Will you continue to take the beating hoping for the best or if you have access to your firearm, retrieve it and discharge one shot to stop your attacker?

Did Zimmerman initiate the incident, absolutely did Martin raise the stakes, absolutely. Is it tragic, absolutely but once Martin engaged Zimmerman rather than calling the police or leaving the area he set the rest of this scenario in motion to its inevitable end.

You assume a lot for Martin but give Zimmerman little room. You hold Zimmerman at fault for everything and forgive Martin's every part in this tragedy.

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#50 May 25, 2012
Westside conservative wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the same false information that the media has passed on and on.
straight from mother jones website not really a right wing site there is
"911 dispatcher:
Are you following him?[2:24]
Zimmerman:
Yeah.[2:25]
911 dispatcher:
OK.
We don’t need you to do that.[2:26]"
They did not tell him not to follow nor to stop but we don't need you to do that. That is not a don't follow him by any stretch of the imagination and would leave a reasonable person who is concerned about a suspicious person in their neighborhood to feel free to keep eyes on them until the police show up. Otherwise why bother to call because the police would probably be unable to locate him without a good idea of where he last was.
I do believe Zimmerman used a racial slur while on the phone and while idiotic, I don't believe that affects what followed.
According to the call Zimmerman saw him wondering in and out around the houses. Even if you live in a neighborhood you don't go wandering around your neighbor's house in the middle of the afternoon. Now granted we don't know what Zimmerman mean when he said wandering it could be he was trying to make things sound more suspicious to the police or it could be that Martin was cutting through yards. Things we don't know with the evidence at hand.
So at some point there was a confrontation. Now Zimmerman claimed he lost sight of Martin and was returning to his vehicle when Martin attacked him from behind. Again facts from one party only. Now some say they have no problem with Martin approaching Zimmerman for following him but yet say Zimmerman never should have followed Martin but waited for the police. How does that work? You can't follow a suspicious person in your neighborhood but should call the police and yet its perfectly fine to confront and even attack someone who is following you without calling the police. Really?
Finally we have the fight and witness stories have changed. What has been consistent is that Zimmerman has injuries consistent with a pretty significant beating. We even have a witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman pummeling him, "MMA" style. At some point Zimmerman claims he was in fear for his life and pulled his weapon firing one shot striking and killing Martin.
So as you have told us in the past that you are always armed I ask you to put yourself in a similar scenario. You see a suspicious person walking through your neighborhood and call police. The person confronts you and knocks you to the ground. Once your on the ground that person begins striking you continuously and it is clearly apparent you are losing this fight. Knowing that you are armed, lost the physical confrontation, this person continues striking you even though you are out of the fight and you have no clue what will happen when you lose consciousness what will you do? Will you continue to take the beating hoping for the best or if you have access to your firearm, retrieve it and discharge one shot to stop your attacker?
Did Zimmerman initiate the incident, absolutely did Martin raise the stakes, absolutely. Is it tragic, absolutely but once Martin engaged Zimmerman rather than calling the police or leaving the area he set the rest of this scenario in motion to its inevitable end.
You assume a lot for Martin but give Zimmerman little room. You hold Zimmerman at fault for everything and forgive Martin's every part in this tragedy.
All your argument proves is that you place HUMAN LIFE below POSSESSIONS. Was it Zimmerman's place to shoot an unarmed person EVEN IF they were stealing something?
Corey Embarrasses Florida

United States

#51 May 25, 2012
If you had some stranger walking around your property, would you ignore him? NO!
Can hands be deadly weapons? YES!
Was Zimmerman injured? Yes
Was he profiling? NO! In fact he had complained about Police treatment of blacks!

Any 1st year law student can see how weak the Zimmerman case is!
Westside conservative

Jacksonville, FL

#52 May 25, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>All your argument proves is that you place HUMAN LIFE below POSSESSIONS. Was it Zimmerman's place to shoot an unarmed person EVEN IF they were stealing something?
Selecia you soooooo missed my point. Its not about possessions. Its about the fact that Zimmerman felt he was in danger of death or great bodily harm. He was trapped under an individual who was striking him, "MMA" style. He felt he had no other option than to fire not a barrage but one single shot to stop his attacker. Unfortunately it was a fatal shot. I am saying many of us in the same position may have done the same.

I in no way or manner put property above human life and its a disgrace that you would stoop to such a low tactic. You could neither infer that from my post or anything I said directly. Your assumption the dispatcher told him not to follow despite the clear evidence she did not shows facts have no place in your arguments. Your usually much better than that.
kckt

Palatka, FL

#53 May 25, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>All your argument proves is that you place HUMAN LIFE below POSSESSIONS. Was it Zimmerman's place to shoot an unarmed person EVEN IF they were stealing something?
You have never answered my direct question to you--If a guy starts beating the crap out of you and discovers your concealed weapon in the process, do you shoot him or allow him to use your gun to shoot you?
noshellswill

Saint Augustine, FL

#54 May 25, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>All your argument proves is that you place HUMAN LIFE below POSSESSIONS. Was it Zimmerman's place to shoot an unarmed person EVEN IF they were stealing something?
Yep ... my hard-earned possessions are worth more than one of your thieving Bantu savages. BANG! Next ...

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Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#55 May 25, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>All your argument proves is that you place HUMAN LIFE below POSSESSIONS. Was it Zimmerman's place to shoot an unarmed person EVEN IF they were stealing something?
No response for me, I am hurt.

“Plays well with others.”

Since: Jun 07

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#56 May 25, 2012
GAWD...how did you guys become...well so sensitive?

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#57 May 25, 2012
kckt wrote:
<quoted text>
You have never answered my direct question to you--If a guy starts beating the crap out of you and discovers your concealed weapon in the process, do you shoot him or allow him to use your gun to shoot you?
You fail to understand the difference between defend your own life or kill someone who you PROVOKED.
Westside conservative

Jacksonville, FL

#58 May 25, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>You fail to understand the difference between defend your own life or kill someone who you PROVOKED.
So if I follow somebody who I do not recognize in my neighborhood while calling the police and awaiting their arrival to keep him in sight until they make it, that justifies him attacking me? So I guess I would deserve a beating that breaks my nose, blackens my eyes, and leaves two gashes on the back of my head for following someone? Surely Selecia you aren't suggesting that mounting someone and beating them, "MMA style," is a justifiable action for the offense of following someone?

The question remains regardless of how we got there, once someone has you down, is beating you viciously, and you realize this isn't getting any better what do you do? Your armed so will this individual find your firearm and use it on you? Will he simply beat you to death? When fear falls upon you, would you fire one shot or several or would you be willing to sacrifice your life for the great offense of following someone?
nellie

Saint Augustine, FL

#59 May 26, 2012
Yes, I agree..the sentnce is outrageous...

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#60 May 26, 2012
Westside conservative wrote:
<quoted text>
So if I follow somebody who I do not recognize in my neighborhood while calling the police and awaiting their arrival to keep him in sight until they make it, that justifies him attacking me? So I guess I would deserve a beating that breaks my nose, blackens my eyes, and leaves two gashes on the back of my head for following someone? Surely Selecia you aren't suggesting that mounting someone and beating them, "MMA style," is a justifiable action for the offense of following someone?
The question remains regardless of how we got there, once someone has you down, is beating you viciously, and you realize this isn't getting any better what do you do? Your armed so will this individual find your firearm and use it on you? Will he simply beat you to death? When fear falls upon you, would you fire one shot or several or would you be willing to sacrifice your life for the great offense of following someone?
What you fail to understand is that Trayvon Martin is the one who was stalked and hunted down and WHEN HE DEFENDED himself, his reward was a bullet.
Westside conservative

Jacksonville, FL

#61 May 26, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>What you fail to understand is that Trayvon Martin is the one who was stalked and hunted down and WHEN HE DEFENDED himself, his reward was a bullet.
Once again how do you know he defended himself? How do you know he didn't see someone following him, turn, and charge after him? How do you know that Zimmerman was the aggressor? At what point does defending yourself from someone who is only following you justify you beating them to the point of a broken nose, blackened eyes, and two gashes across the back of their head? Per what information we have from the coroners report, Martin only had the bullet wound and injuries to his knuckles consistent with punching someone. That is not consistent with a fight but rather Martin administering a beating to Zimmerman.

At what point does someone following you in a neighborhood justify you physically attacking them? If it was good enough for Zimmerman to call the police and leave the situation alone why not hold Martin (who never called the police) to the same standard?

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