Unions support illegals

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0728-...

L.A. union members, activists to caravan to Arizona to protest immigration law
More than 550 people representing 32 unions plan to travel in 11 buses for a rally at the state Capitol and a vigil with local groups on the day the law is set to take effect.

As a judge weighs whether to halt Arizona's controversial immigration law, hundreds of Los Angeles union members and activists are planning a bus caravan to Phoenix on Thursday — the day the law is set to take effect.

More than 550 people plan to ride on 11 buses to Arizona to stage a protest and launch a partnership with Arizona groups to boost voter registration. During the one-day trip, sponsored by the Los Angeles County Federation of Labor, participants will meet with Phoenix Police Chief Jack Harris, march to the state Capitol and hold a vigil. The participants represent 32 unions.

SB 1070, signed into law by Gov. Jan Brewer in April and supported by a majority of Arizona residents, makes it a state crime to lack immigration documents and requires police to determine the immigration status of people they lawfully stop and subsequently suspect are in the country illegally.

"As Californians and Angelenos, we want to see how we can help not only defeat this specific law but also to help the Latino community be more active in the political process," said Maria Elena Durazo, executive secretary-treasurer of the labor federation. "Hopefully it will motivate some to go out and register to vote."

That is what happened in 1994 after California voters passed Proposition 187, which sought to restrict services from illegal immigrants before being struck down by the courts. More than one million California Latinos became citizens and voter registration spiked. Already, several groups in Arizona are registering voters and trying to increase Latino voter participation in an effort to shift the political landscape and stop any more anti-illegal immigrant laws from passing.

The caravan is just one of many activities planned Thursday. Immigration activists have declared it a "national day of action," with events planned in several cities to protest implementation of the Arizona law. They include a march across the Brooklyn Bridge in New York, a vigil outside a detention center in Georgia and a unity event in Chicago featuring faith, community and political leaders, along with 200 children. Chicago leaders also plan to deliver 2,000 letters to Chicago Cubs owner Tom Ricketts asking him to move the baseball team's spring training from Arizona to Florida.

The Obama administration filed a challenge to the law and argued in court last week that the federal government has the ultimate authority to implement immigration law and policy. The same day, immigrant rights groups argued that the law would lead to racial profiling and harassment of Latinos. U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton did not say whether she would stop the law or when she would issue a ruling.

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Meanwhile, Arizona is gearing up for Thursday, with officers receiving training and Phoenix officials planning for demonstrations. There also will be protests throughout California, including in Los Angeles, Bakersfield and Redlands.

Some who signed up for Thursday's bus caravan said they felt compelled to go to Arizona to show their opposition to the law and their support for immigrants.

"I look at things in a historical context," said Carlos Leon, 47, a detention officer with the Los Angeles County Probation Department who decided that he needed to speak up for the oppressed.

Leon said he believes the law is unjust and will result in people being questioned about their status based on their looks.

Even though his family has been in the United States for generations, Leon said he is still subjected to stereotypes. If the law goes into effect, he said he believes it will lead to more stereotyping and more fear among Latinos.

Rob Robbins, 71, a home care worker in Long Beach, said he grew up black in segregated Alabama in the 1940s and '50s and sees parallels between the racism of that time and now.

"Anytime I see signs of that coming alive in our country, it rises my indignation," he said. "SB 1070 basically says you are guilty because of how you look. That, to me, is not American."

Robbins said having so many illegal immigrants in the United States is a problem, but Arizona's law isn't the solution.

"We have borders in this country for a purpose," he said. "That is where the problem is, and that is where the problem should be dealt with."

It looks to me like adding 20 million voters to the Democrat voting pool is more important than protecting Union Jobs.

It looks to me like a poster who claims to want to "fight to restore the Republic" is in lockstep with the ignorant Right that has always attempted to keep the middle class down.
Maybe if you put a little energy into protecting the middle class and less into your 'bully pulpit" rants and conspiracies you could do some good.
It looks to me like alot of people are trying to stop a law that is un-American.

Atlantic Beach Man wrote:

It looks to me like a poster who claims to want to "fight to restore the Republic" is in lockstep with the ignorant Right that has always attempted to keep the middle class down.
Maybe if you put a little energy into protecting the middle class and less into your 'bully pulpit" rants and conspiracies you could do some good.
It looks to me like alot of people are trying to stop a law that is un-American.

Crushing out weetbakkk thieves is **VERY** American. Crushed-out or driven into the sea ... either way twenty-% of those 13-million stolen jobs can go back to American citizens.

Then, plundering illegals dispatched, biiitch-slapping weeetbakkk excuse-making lib.com pals is just plain fun.

Atlantic Beach Man wrote:

It looks to me like a poster who claims to want to "fight to restore the Republic" is in lockstep with the ignorant Right that has always attempted to keep the middle class down.
Maybe if you put a little energy into protecting the middle class and less into your 'bully pulpit" rants and conspiracies you could do some good.
It looks to me like alot of people are trying to stop a law that is un-American.

I am in the middle class, and the only thing that can keep me down is the confiscation of my money through higher taxes, so a dam political can use it to buy votes. How in the heck is the Arizona law un-America, I guess in your opinion we should we should just open the boarders and let any and everyone in who wants to come? That is what you are saying right? I am 100% for and support legal immigration; we have rules and rule of law.

BTW, the Arizona Law is not that much different than Federal Law that was and has been in place for sometime, I guess that law is Un-America also?

Unions, religions, democrats, any group that needs a membership shot in the arm from easily lead poor folk will certainly back illegals getting a free ride to citizenship.

The "confiscation of my money through higher taxes" is old rhetoric, have you driven anywhere, been to a state or national park, seen what those taxes pay for and support.
Quit crying, I pay as much or more taxes than you do and complain a lot less. We live in a civilization, taxes are part of it. You focus on the waste but never remark upon the benefits. Spend some time in another country, see how those taxes are spent.
I agree with watchdogging but all you do is see aliens in the clouds.
The Arizona law is unAmerican because an individual on the street can be confronted and asked to see "THEIR PAPERS". THAT IS WRONG, bottom line. If it was checking their staus at arrest I would be fine with it.
When Uncle Sam starts asking for PAPERS it is time to remember history.
Illegal immigration got out of control cause AMERICANS wanted goods and services cheaper, the same reasom companies migrated overseas.
You want no taxes but goverment asking for everyone's papers.
How does that work? Everybody wants a big money job, cheap goods and services, no taxes, no crime, no unwed mothers no ths, no that.

We have forgotton the value of things and are focused on the price of everything.

Atlantic Beach Man wrote:

The "confiscation of my money through higher taxes" is old rhetoric, have you driven anywhere, been to a state or national park, seen what those taxes pay for and support.
Quit crying, I pay as much or more taxes than you do and complain a lot less. We live in a civilization, taxes are part of it. You focus on the waste but never remark upon the benefits. Spend some time in another country, see how those taxes are spent.
I agree with watchdogging but all you do is see aliens in the clouds.
The Arizona law is unAmerican because an individual on the street can be confronted and asked to see "THEIR PAPERS". THAT IS WRONG, bottom line. If it was checking their staus at arrest I would be fine with it.
When Uncle Sam starts asking for PAPERS it is time to remember history.
Illegal immigration got out of control cause AMERICANS wanted goods and services cheaper, the same reasom companies migrated overseas.
You want no taxes but goverment asking for everyone's papers.
How does that work? Everybody wants a big money job, cheap goods and services, no taxes, no crime, no unwed mothers no ths, no that.
We have forgotton the value of things and are focused on the price of everything.

You term the AZ law "unAmerican" [sic], yet it is law in this country at the federal level and, as we're seeing with AZ, the state level. And it is enforceable. Our gov't has failed by not enforcing the law. I understand the U.S. Supreme Court has held that all elements of probable cause do not have to be met to warrant a stop. So, yes, it is very American to prove citizenship. In fact, it is very American to want to prove citizenship. Conversely, it is very un American to want a don't ask don't tell policy while accepting benefits and various resources paid for by tax revenue, by which the illegal immigrant didn't contribute.

And with regard to benefits of tax dollars. Yes, there are many benefits. However, the waste far outweighs the good use of tax dollars collected. Every taxpayer, regardless of who pays more, has a valid gripe when it comes to identifying waste and fraud (as in illegal immigration).

Atlantic Beach Man wrote:

The "confiscation of my money through higher taxes" is old rhetoric, have you driven anywhere, been to a state or national park, seen what those taxes pay for and support.
Quit crying, I pay as much or more taxes than you do and complain a lot less. We live in a civilization, taxes are part of it. You focus on the waste but never remark upon the benefits. Spend some time in another country, see how those taxes are spent.
I agree with watchdogging but all you do is see aliens in the clouds.
The Arizona law is unAmerican because an individual on the street can be confronted and asked to see "THEIR PAPERS". THAT IS WRONG, bottom line. If it was checking their staus at arrest I would be fine with it.
When Uncle Sam starts asking for PAPERS it is time to remember history.
Illegal immigration got out of control cause AMERICANS wanted goods and services cheaper, the same reasom companies migrated overseas.
You want no taxes but goverment asking for everyone's papers.
How does that work? Everybody wants a big money job, cheap goods and services, no taxes, no crime, no unwed mothers no ths, no that.
We have forgotton the value of things and are focused on the price of everything.

You are incorrect Sir, by say saying that I want “No Taxes” I have little issue with paying some taxes, but 25% or higher so some dam politician can buy votes to create his or her life long career, heck no. BTW, if some does not feel like they are paying enough taxes they can always write the government a check, no they want everyone else pay the taxes as they “FEEL” should be paid.

I will agree, we live in a great country and we all benefit form the taxes that are paid, but at some point the government needs to behavior as the rest of us do and spend and save responsible. I do not want to live in Mexico City, been their and have no desire to go back.

As far as the papers go they I guess you are also against law enforcement asking you for proof of insurance and a drivers license also. I sure as hell do not want the required to be that someone must be arrested and then processed before they are given a chance to prove they are here legally.

Atlantic Beach Man wrote:

The "confiscation of my money through higher taxes" is old rhetoric, have you driven anywhere, been to a state or national park, seen what those taxes pay for and support.
Quit crying, I pay as much or more taxes than you do and complain a lot less. We live in a civilization, taxes are part of it. You focus on the waste but never remark upon the benefits. Spend some time in another country, see how those taxes are spent.
I agree with watchdogging but all you do is see aliens in the clouds.
The Arizona law is unAmerican because an individual on the street can be confronted and asked to see "THEIR PAPERS". THAT IS WRONG, bottom line. If it was checking their staus at arrest I would be fine with it.
When Uncle Sam starts asking for PAPERS it is time to remember history.
Illegal immigration got out of control cause AMERICANS wanted goods and services cheaper, the same reasom companies migrated overseas.
You want no taxes but goverment asking for everyone's papers.
How does that work? Everybody wants a big money job, cheap goods and services, no taxes, no crime, no unwed mothers no ths, no that.
We have forgotton the value of things and are focused on the price of everything.

shut up wino. better get back to panhandling tonight. your naacp dues are due again.

I really have a hard time understanding what is so wrong with carrying your papers with you. I lived in Europe, I've traveled to many foreign countries and NEVER did I go anywhere in those places without my passport and other REQUIRED documentation. When my husband goes to Canada to fish, he has an entire Ziploc filled with required paperwork. Everytime I have changed jobs in the past 20 years I have had to provide proof of my citizenship. The problem isn't the law--it's unequal enforcement.
I think AZ should countersue the Fed for damages caused by its failure to enforce the Fed law. The judge basically ruled that AZ can't aid in the enforcement of Fed law because the Fed status quo is non-enforcement.
I also think we need to send a bill to the DNC for all the money the Obama Fundraising Tour is costing taxpayers. He has spent more time raising money for Democrats than he has doing the job he was elected to.

kckt wrote:

I really have a hard time understanding what is so wrong with carrying your papers with you. I lived in Europe, I've traveled to many foreign countries and NEVER did I go anywhere in those places without my passport and other REQUIRED documentation. When my husband goes to Canada to fish, he has an entire Ziploc filled with required paperwork. Everytime I have changed jobs in the past 20 years I have had to provide proof of my citizenship. The problem isn't the law--it's unequal enforcement.
I think AZ should countersue the Fed for damages caused by its failure to enforce the Fed law. The judge basically ruled that AZ can't aid in the enforcement of Fed law because the Fed status quo is non-enforcement.
I also think we need to send a bill to the DNC for all the money the Obama Fundraising Tour is costing taxpayers. He has spent more time raising money for Democrats than he has doing the job he was elected to.

In a good portion of States it already is a law to have some form of ID on you at all times. Maybe most States.
It's just not enforced.

Vagancy laws