Who will win the republican nomination?

Mickler wrote:

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The difference is that we back our own play. Israel expects us to back it's as well. That's a big difference.

True. Just as West Germany would have expected us to help them in the 60's and 70's and South Korea and Taiwan would expect us to help them today. Our country was able to secure our independence from England in part because France helped us and since the beginning we have come to the aid of other countries. And it's been both parties that have supported other countries, whether it's Korea, Israel or Afganistan.

An isolationist position really belongs to the Libertarians, and in '08 Barr received less than 1% of the national vote, so it's not a hot button item. Even today, Paul is doing ok because of his economic ideas, but he's not doing any damage to Romney or Gingrich with his foreign policy positions.

noshellswill wrote:

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You are claiming what with those cherry-picked numbers ? That Germany didn't experience a financial and kultural collapse after WW1? That German loss in WW1 didn't directly produce Hitlers rise to power?
Do you really believe that German citizens just took it into their heads in 1932 that a 30% vote-getter was to become their dictator?

1). Germany did experience a financial collapse after WW1, but they like all of Europe quickly recovered during the boom times of the 1920's. As I said, by 1928 they had almost 0% unemployement and Hitler and the Nazi's weren't even an afterthought. Go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_e...
and you'll see that the Nazi party finished 9th in the election with less than 3% of the vote. If WW1 created Hitler, explain why 10 years after the end of WW1, the Nazi party LOST 2 seats in the '28 election?

2) Hitler was the result of the Depression in '29 which had nothing to do with WW1. He came about as a result of racism and isolationism, two ideals you strongly believe in.

3)Go here http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofh... and you'll see that even in the 1930 elections, Hitler still only had 18% of the vote, which made the Nazi party the #2 party behind the Social Democratic Party, which had been #1 for a long time and still controlled 30% of the seats. He came into power by promising something for everyone and creating a scapegoat (the Jews) for the economic collapse.

FLBeaver wrote:

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True. Just as West Germany would have expected us to help them in the 60's and 70's and South Korea and Taiwan would expect us to help them today. Our country was able to secure our independence from England in part because France helped us and since the beginning we have come to the aid of other countries. And it's been both parties that have supported other countries, whether it's Korea, Israel or Afganistan.
An isolationist position really belongs to the Libertarians, and in '08 Barr received less than 1% of the national vote, so it's not a hot button item. Even today, Paul is doing ok because of his economic ideas, but he's not doing any damage to Romney or Gingrich with his foreign policy positions.

I've repeatedly made the distinction that we "blindly" back Israel. I, along with many others, think it is past time that we stop doing so. This isn't an isolantionist position.

Mickler wrote:

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I've repeatedly made the distinction that we "blindly" back Israel. I, along with many others, think it is past time that we stop doing so. This isn't an isolantionist position.

And I don't think we "blindly" back Israel. There are multiple sources that provide information on the aid the US gives Israel, almost all of which is in the form of military aid. That aid goes through Congress and when Senator Paul called for cutting aid to Israel he got hammered by both sides.

I will agree that the position may not be an isolationist position. It might be one of non-interventionism. However, if it is one of non-intervention than you are in favor of increasing our participation in NAFTA, perhaps creating a Pacific Free Trade Act?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_no...

In what ways is your position not aligned with isolationism? Paul is most definitely an isolationist, so I'm curious what you see as the differences between an isolationist and a non-interventionalist.

FLBeaver wrote:

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1). Germany did experience a financial collapse after WW1, but they like all of Europe quickly recovered during the boom times of the 1920's. As I said, by 1928 they had almost 0% unemployement and Hitler and the Nazi's weren't even an afterthought. Go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_e...
and you'll see that the Nazi party finished 9th in the election with less than 3% of the vote. If WW1 created Hitler, explain why 10 years after the end of WW1, the Nazi party LOST 2 seats in the '28 election?
2) Hitler was the result of the Depression in '29 which had nothing to do with WW1. He came about as a result of racism and isolationism, two ideals you strongly believe in.
3)Go here http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofh... and you'll see that even in the 1930 elections, Hitler still only had 18% of the vote, which made the Nazi party the #2 party behind the Social Democratic Party, which had been #1 for a long time and still controlled 30% of the seats. He came into power by promising something for everyone and creating a scapegoat (the Jews) for the economic collapse.

Yes ... read the WIKI article on the Weimar Republic. Learn some history. Zero unemployment in 1928 ... really ? Did Gub'mnts even keep close track then? Germany DID get a cocaine rush with all that **borrowed American money**. A faked prosperity like Greenspan gave American under Bush Sr.

Failed to mentioned that did you? Germany never truly recovered from WW1 till Hitler! Another, better man could have done it, but give the b*stard his due. No WW1 German loss no Hitler -- and no American involvement in WW1, no German loss. It's that simple.

German unemployment increased ( I read ) by 2.5-million between 1928 & 1930. A faked well-being collapses! Germany **never** earned its own 1923-1928 high-life. A fake cosmopolitan high-life was created. When American banks went bust they called in the loans they had made to Germany. Germany in 1929 without sufficient value creation of its own went bust!

Yes yes I know you will tell any lie or half-truth to attack my perfectly rational republican/nationalist positions. Again, stop cherry picking numbers to defend your cosmopolitan, empire-building politics. Face the obvious.

Watch the debate tomorrow to see if you still support the candidate you voted for. Still anybody's game.

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At this point I wish they would spend more time telling us why they should be the candidate rather than why the other guy should not. None of them are perfect, and we've never had a candidate since Jefferson that has been. So tell us what you would do and how/why you can beat Obama. While there are some I like more than others, my candidate is definitely Anybody But Obama.

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