Chambersburg green energy advocate offers efficiency idea

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Money-saving idea: Advanced Solar Industry workers install photo vault panels on the roof at Wayne Mackeys Cypress Street home earlier this year.

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Wayne Mackey

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#21
Jan 2, 2010
 
Reply to Sector R: 57 months is equal to 4.75 years.This stuff is good for the next 50 or more years. The $17,000 we will have invested in our solar PV Array will pay for itself in less than seven years. We expect to get .12 cents from the Borough of Chambersburg for every killowatt hour we generate in excess of what our home actually uses over the course of one full year. In addition, our PV system should generate six and a half Renewable Energy Credits every year. This will be around $2,000 extra income we will have coming in each year, and as the rates for each REC goes up, like they have already done in New Jersey to between $550 and $600 each, we stand to gain as much as five or six thousand dollars extra income a year. The homeowner can, if they so choose, hold on to the RECs each year until they reach the price the homeowner decides to sell them. They just keep on accumulating until the homeowner is satisfied with the price he/she is willing to sell them at. If you'd like, I will be happy to share the results of our first full year of operation on December 31, 2010 and you can judge the results for your self at that time. Oh, and by the way, when the borough Electric Utility rates go up another 20% this year, guess who is going to get the same increase in what they get for the electric they sell to the Borough. One thing for certain, it won't be you.

My wife and I will be purchasing a new Chevy Volt at the end of this year when they come to market. Guess again who won't be paying for any of the gas, or electric they use to zip around the streets and highways of Franklin County, PA...ever again. It probably won't be you.
Section R

Chambersburg, PA

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#22
Jan 2, 2010
 
Little by little you share the total expenses - now you say $17,000 for the solar panels. So you are up to 116 months of electric bills. Sill waiting on the final total cost figure. Attic insulation, labor, etc. etc. My offer still stands - give me the same amount of dollars you have spent on this project and I'll give you all my electric bill savings in return. What happens when Al Gores' climate change kicks in? Will this part of the world need less heating energy? This will result in less electric useage, way less than the 20% increase that you say the borough has planned.
Wayne Mackey

Chambersburg, PA

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#23
Jan 2, 2010
 
Response to above Questionmark:If you are seriously interested in having more numbers available to you consider these. Averaging $2,500 a year each year for 10 years equals $25,000. For 20 years, the number is $50,000. For 25 years, my wife and I would have spent $60,000, if we were are fortunate enough to live that long. And of course, all that depends on electric utility rates remaining at the same rate all of these many years. If they were to go up as much as 50% over these same 25 years, that would be a total expenditure of $90,000. Now, consider that instead of paying out this great sum of money to someone else, we start saving all of this money right from the get-go. Now, consider we invest this same capital in oil stocks for instance. Or perhaps, we invest it in comodities of various sectors of the economy such as food or good mutual funds over this same 25 year period getting an 8% compound interest rate. Why pay someone else, when you can pay yourself. Why not lock in your current and future electric utility rates at today's prices? And...don't forget those terrific yearly Renewable Energy Credit dividends!
Section R

Chambersburg, PA

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#24
Jan 2, 2010
 
I'm good at math as well and can make the numbers say what I want. Let's take the total expense that you paid for this project(still waiting on the total $$)and invest that in this that and the other...I'm betting the return would more than pay your monthly electric bill. The left over income reinvested and add the compound interest etc,etc,etc, would more than cover any future increases in utility rates plus buy that new Checy Volt. I'm not sure you really understand basic economics or you would not spend thousands and thousands to get pennies in savings of an electric bill. Please tell us - How much have you spent on this?

“Divine Hag”

Since: Jun 08

Briar Patch

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#25
Jan 3, 2010
 
How much money is your self-reliance worth?

Some of you want to focus on how this must be bad because it's green and Green=Al Gore=AGW.

There IS more to it.
It's about one less thing to worry about if you lose your job.
It's about spending some money now to give you more peace of mind in the future.

It's about the safety and stability of YOUR home when a storm, incompetence or worse leaves everyone else without power.

The actions of the Mackey's are similar to those who choose to grow and/or hunt for their own food, those who can and dehydrate ~~ they went one step forward.

So what if it is worth it to you?

“Divine Hag”

Since: Jun 08

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#26
Jan 3, 2010
 
Dang it

"So what if it ISN'T worth it to you?"

“Not fallen”

Since: May 08

WalMartBoro, PA

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#27
Jan 3, 2010
 
*WOW!!!WHEW!!!*

This is a breath of fresh air--I can't believe I'm reading this discussion in the Public Opinion. No cut & paste, detailed, experience-based opinions and good communication skills!?!?!. I don't even care if I conclude for myself who gives the best argument, LOL. This exchange between Mr. Mackey and 'Section R' woke me up this morning.

CHARGE!!!

“Not fallen”

Since: May 08

WalMartBoro, PA

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#28
Jan 3, 2010
 
*No cut & paste.(period)
Dave

Carlisle, PA

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#29
Jan 4, 2010
 
Stanleysteamer wrote:
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Tex:
Not 1 bit - my power comes from outside the Borough so its not "his electricity" and I am more than delighted to buy it.
I also own stock in Allegheny, PPL, Exxon, Chevron, Cheasapeake, MedtEd, Excelon Energy, and a few others.
So ching-ching.
Plus, I don't have the hours and expense of screwing around to save just a few bucks.
And, I get nice dividends too ha-ha.
This blowing all your money on upgraded stuff and trying to save a few nickels on electricity is dumb in my opinion, and almost Communist in nature.
Just my opinion.
What he is saving on the Grid, I'm burning it up 24/7 AND getting dividend checks for!!
So, it works out for me to be almost FREE to me.
What a frickenm idiot. Spending money so he can make money from the stocks of the companies he buys from. Isn't that about the dumbest thing ever. Why don't you buy some GM stock & then run out & buy 100 chevys - let me know how that works out.

And Wow, you must be a total dolt to think it takes a lot of time to look at your electric bill & compare it to last's years usage especially since they tell you that on the frickin bill.

Its all about the math. Oil is going up, electric is going up, gas is going up. If you make a $20,000 investment & it saves you $3,000 a year for 30 years, that's a great investment.
Dave

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Jan 4, 2010
 
A note to Section R. You forgot to figure in the increased value to his home.
Section R

Big Cove Tannery, PA

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#31
Jan 4, 2010
 
Dave wrote:
A note to Section R. You forgot to figure in the increased value to his home.
Does it make more sense to you to spend even more to save the $3,000.00/year electric bill? Lets say....ohhh...$120,000.00 invested to stop paying the borough each month. That seems like the right number that Mr. Mackey spent on this project. Divided by $250.00/month = 40 years of electric. Or invest the money to start and use the return to pay the electric, any increases, and buy that new Chevy Volt. This is all about the value of money and what it can do for you. And Dave, who do you think set up the camera when Neil Armstrong took that first step?
Section R

Big Cove Tannery, PA

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#32
Jan 4, 2010
 
A note to Dave

"Don't forget those terrific yearly renewable energy credit dividends !" quoted by Mr. Mackey

Does that him a "frickenm idiot" ?
Bin

United States

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#33
Jan 4, 2010
 
Since this is the green energy thread, I have heard of a new siphoning technology that will siphon water from a river and it can be used to make electricity and then return the water back to the river with no harmful environmental effects. This controllable siphon can be used without damming and it can be screened to protect the fish. It is a free source of renewable energy and it works 24 hours a day by atmospheric pressure. Has anyone on here ever heard of this?
Wayne Mackey

Chambersburg, PA

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#34
Jan 5, 2010
 
Reply to Dave in Orby,

Thank you for noting the point about the increase in the value of my property. Yep, it's true! With the purchase of just the Solar PV array on my roof, the property value of my home has increased $24,000 in value. So, for that same $17,000 investment, I get $24,000 increase in my homes value. Not too bad if I say so myself. The other great thing about it is that I do not have to pay any additional property taxes because the PV Array is considered an appliance. And...I checked all of this out way before I signed on the dotted line ...it doesn't increase my home owner's insurance one dime.
Wayne Mackey

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Jan 5, 2010
 
Reply to the individual who mocked me for keeping an accurate 5 year record of my electric utility bills: In order to be able to compare how each new energy saving product impacted my bottom line, I had to first establish a base figure. I simply called up our electric utility provider and asked them for the record back to 2005. that was back in 2007 when I forst started to consider doing this green retrofit. Each tome thereafter when I purchased say attic insulation for example, I could check the next month's electric bill to determine if it made any reduction in my electric usage. Then... as I added additional investments in green products, I could very easily check to see what impact, if any, it had the following month and so on it went until I was able to determine that overall I had actually cut my electric utility bill by a wopping 65%. I grouped all of my January's, February's, Marche's, etc togather year after year on my spreadsheet down the column. That way, I could very easily and quickly see what the savings were each month and compare them to all of the previous Januarys etc.
Wayne Mackey

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#36
Jan 5, 2010
 
Relpy To Sector R: As I stated to you right from the beginning. My home is 30 years old. Some things reach the end of their product cycle. They either needed to be replaced or I'd have had to go back to the stone age or do without modern conveniences period. About four years ago, I had quadrupal by pass heart surgery. That cost quite a bundle. I suppose you think that it was too much to pay to have that replament done as well.

As for the cost of doing all of this. I think you missed the whole reason for my doing this project in the first place. Yes, I wanted to reduce my electric utility bill to keep up the increasing costs of electricity utility bill in the face of a possible 40% increase in electric utility rates when the Rate Caps came off. But, I too wanted to take advantage of hiring two of the very finest craftsmen I'd ever came across and who were out of work and who desperately needed to find work in order to sustain their families. neither of these fine craftsmen had insurance of any kind. he wasn't able to get any either because he had a pre-existing condition... skin cancer on his arms and face from constantly being out in the sun all day long doing his miraculous work. His condition was also exacerbated by the fact that when he was able to buy the medicines from the pharmacy, unknown to him at the time, he was actually causing himself more harm. The medicines he was using to combat his cancer, also helped to destroy his 16 year old kidney transplant. Following the project he completed right after he concluded my projects here at my home, his kidney's finally failed him completely and he is now on Social Security Disability after having to manage for five months all on his own. If you knew this man, as I have come to over these past two years, you would come to admire his creativity and skill at taking a homeowners dreams and making them into a concrete reality. Talk about having value. This man is a treasure and one worth retrofitting no matter how much it costs. I sincerely he will someday be able to get back on his feet both from a healt standpoint and from being able to return to full time work...with health insurance to boot.
Wayne Mackey

Chambersburg, PA

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#37
Jan 5, 2010
 
Reply to Everyone: Within a year or two, we will begin experiencing hyper inflation. It can't be avoided with all of the stimulus money that has been poured into the economy to keep it all from colapsing. That will raise the prices of commodities such as oil and coal. If you think things are expensive now, just wait and see what we will have to pay for electricity then. Then the next thing that's going to happen is that we are all going to have to pay increased taxes and all the while have services cut to many of our domestic social service plans and entitlements. I can't do anything about the mess that this country is in right now, except...get my electric utility bills and my transportation costs under complete control...and advise you all do the same. With this Greener American Homes Initiative, I at least want to get those 20,000,000 laid off workers back to work as soon as possible so they at least have a fighting chance to survive and thrive. Now...let's us all get to work!!!
Section R

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#38
Jan 6, 2010
 
You heard the call...lets all get them wagons in a circle.

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