Changes to Stop City and County Waste

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Aug 19, 2012
 
wow wrote:
now this sucks
well said

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Hypocrite Radar wrote:
"McMolly" Do you really think that building 6 houses will make a difference in the community?
Absolutely and I know it to be a fact. One of the things site locators look at when choosing a city to recommend for a business is new home starts. It's certainly not the only thing, but it is an important one for lots of reasons. This program incents private contractors to build new homes and risk their own money. It is not "government built homes" like we had in the Eisenhower addition. There is no taxpayer money used to build the homes. Other cities in SEK would do anything to get 6 new home starts by a private contractor and may copy this program.
We have to find new creative ways to keep our local economy functioning during this downturn. That way when it turns around our numbers will look better and we will be more attractive to potential new employers. I hope that will translate into new jobs and better wages for all the hard working people in this community, no matter what their annual income is.
On a related note, we have spent millions of dollars on programs for low income folks in recent years and I'm grateful for that. But many complain that our area is dying and we need to focus on turning it around. Shouldn't have a program now and then that is directed at moderate income people to try to increase that population? Wouldn't more moderate income people in the area help our economy and spread the tax burden so that it doesn't weigh so heavily on low income taxpayers?
I do not think 6 new houses will make any difference at all in determining a company relocating to Independence. They will give much more attention to available labor force; property, sales and income taxes; and operating expenses including utilities rent and maintenance.

In the last census Independence had a population loss of 350 or 3.7%. There are currently 170 houses for sale in Independence; 90 priced under $75,000 and 80 more than $75,000. Many of them are priced below their tax appraised value and many of them, especially at the low end of the price range, need substantial repairs to make them habitable. This would indicate to me unless measures are taken to combat the trend, the city is going to have a declining property tax base and a diminishing housing stock. I do not think 6 new subsidized $140,000 homes is in any way part of the solution.

I like Independence very much, and am new to the town, but I think we need to have an overall plan, with measurable short and long term goals, for the city to operate and solve its problems. It needs to be presented by the city manager & commissioners and must have widespread citizen support to succeed. The Chamber of Commerce website has an indepth analysis of downtown development that could be useful in formulating a plan. Single issue actions such as small-scale house building and property purchases contribute very little or nothing to the overall omprovement of the community.

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The median income per household in Independence as of 2009 was $38,197. Median income means that exactly half of the households in Independence have income above that figure and half have incomes below that figure.

By way of comparison, the Kansas as a whole has a median income of $47,817 for 2009.

My source for this information:

http://www.city-data.com/city/Independence-Ka...

348 (8.4%) households had less tha $10K of income.

617 (14.8%) had income between $10K and $20K.

824 (19.8%) had income between $20K and $30K.

383 (9.2%) had income between $30K and $40K.

400 (9.6%) had income between $40K and $50K.

449 (10.8% had income between $50K and $60K

366 (8.8%) had income between $60K and $75K.

403 (9.7%) had income between $75K and $100K.

218 (5.2%) had income between $100K and $125K.

98 (2.4%) had income between $125K and $150K.

25 (.06%) had income between $150K and $200K.

32 (.08%) had income greater than $200K.

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"burnett-lignon" I do not think 6 new houses will make any difference at all in determining a company relocating to Independence.

Six doesn't sound like a lot but remember it only matters to companies that have spec'd a rural area like SEK along with other details. Then it makes a big difference.

Compared to larger urban areas you would be right, it would be insignificant.
shappy

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Aug 19, 2012
 
Starts with commissioners, anyone have info on their jobs? The districts term pay? Getting good folks to run
Denny

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burnett-lignon wrote:
<quoted text>I do not think 6 new houses will make any difference at all in determining a company relocating to Independence. They will give much more attention to available labor force; property, sales and income taxes; and operating expenses including utilities rent and maintenance.
In the last census Independence had a population loss of 350 or 3.7%. There are currently 170 houses for sale in Independence; 90 priced under $75,000 and 80 more than $75,000. Many of them are priced below their tax appraised value and many of them, especially at the low end of the price range, need substantial repairs to make them habitable. This would indicate to me unless measures are taken to combat the trend, the city is going to have a declining property tax base and a diminishing housing stock. I do not think 6 new subsidized $140,000 homes is in any way part of the solution.
I like Independence very much, and am new to the town, but I think we need to have an overall plan, with measurable short and long term goals, for the city to operate and solve its problems. It needs to be presented by the city manager & commissioners and must have widespread citizen support to succeed. The Chamber of Commerce website has an indepth analysis of downtown development that could be useful in formulating a plan. Single issue actions such as small-scale house building and property purchases contribute very little or nothing to the overall omprovement of the community.
I agree with you except about the Chamber of Commerce. The chamber won't be part of the solution. The chamber is a huge part of the problem, because all it wants and all its "leaders" want is to protect the status quo, as their actions have repeatedly demonstrated. I've never been in another town as afraid of change as this one is.
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City Commissioners work for free. Good bargain for us except they don't do what they are suppose to do.
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LetsDoIt wrote:
Let's stop playing around with this. I say we have the city built 1,000 new homes in Independence, each costing $140,000. The city could also hire 1,000 new employees at a rate of $30 an hour, and they can purchase the new homes. The city employees will then pay taxes on the new homes, which will increase the property tax revenue generated in the city. Those 1,000 new employees will also be spending money shopping in Independence, and that will increase sales tax revenue. Now we have solved the unemployment, housing, and tax problems.
Say......you work for the federal government, don't you?
Why

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Kant feel Pietzsche wrote:
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Say......you work for the federal government, don't you?
If there was a demand for the houses, they would be built (supply and demand). If you don't have the demand, but you are in the business of supply, you turn to governments and lobby them. All the government has to do is take money from people, give it to a business to build the houses, and then you can claim new home construction is up. It works.

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Denny wrote:
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I agree with you except about the Chamber of Commerce. The chamber won't be part of the solution. The chamber is a huge part of the problem, because all it wants and all its "leaders" want is to protect the status quo, as their actions have repeatedly demonstrated. I've never been in another town as afraid of change as this one is.
I didn't mean to say the Chamber of Commerce would be a part of the overall plan, though hopefully it might be; I meant to refer to a study of retail sales and use of downtown buildings which I thought was on the Chamber's website. In checking I found the study is actually on the City of Independence website listed under community websites/Independence Main Street/2009 Retail Market Analysis Downtown Independence. This study concludes that the most practical use of downtown buildings is for non-retail purposes and that the upper stories of downtown buildings need to be usefully occupied. It also says that 10,000 cars drive through downtown daily, and that only 30% of the people visiting downtown do so for a retail purpose. I think we need to use all available information in formulating a plan to develop prosperity.

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Aug 19, 2012
 
burnett-lignon wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't mean to say the Chamber of Commerce would be a part of the overall plan, though hopefully it might be; I meant to refer to a study of retail sales and use of downtown buildings which I thought was on the Chamber's website. In checking I found the study is actually on the City of Independence website listed under community websites/Independence Main Street/2009 Retail Market Analysis Downtown Independence. This study concludes that the most practical use of downtown buildings is for non-retail purposes and that the upper stories of downtown buildings need to be usefully occupied. It also says that 10,000 cars drive through downtown daily, and that only 30% of the people visiting downtown do so for a retail purpose. I think we need to use all available information in formulating a plan to develop prosperity.
Thanks for the clarification.

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burnett-lignon wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't mean to say the Chamber of Commerce would be a part of the overall plan, though hopefully it might be; I meant to refer to a study of retail sales and use of downtown buildings which I thought was on the Chamber's website. In checking I found the study is actually on the City of Independence website listed under community websites/Independence Main Street/2009 Retail Market Analysis Downtown Independence. This study concludes that the most practical use of downtown buildings is for non-retail purposes and that the upper stories of downtown buildings need to be usefully occupied. It also says that 10,000 cars drive through downtown daily, and that only 30% of the people visiting downtown do so for a retail purpose. I think we need to use all available information in formulating a plan to develop prosperity.
The second stories of the downtown building are mostly in a very sad state of repair, having been neglected for the better part of 50 plus years. Occupation of the second stories of most of the buildings would probably be cost prohibitive even without the ADA mandates involved. I'm not saying that it can't be done, but it would take a fairly determined building owner to actually get it done because of the costs involved.
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Indy_Dick wrote:
<quoted text>The second stories of the downtown building are mostly in a very sad state of repair, having been neglected for the better part of 50 plus years. Occupation of the second stories of most of the buildings would probably be cost prohibitive even without the ADA mandates involved. I'm not saying that it can't be done, but it would take a fairly determined building owner to actually get it done because of the costs involved.
The ADA requirements would depend on the size of the project and its use, and could probably be legally avoided above the 1st floor. Assuming the structure and roof are sound, I can't see why the finish out & HVAC/plumbing shouldn't be significantly less than new construction. I am sure tax credits would be available for this. The real issue is what use could be implemented that would provide adequate income to support the rehab investment, and how could demand for the spaces be generated.
It doesn't seem to me that demand is driving any type of new construction in Indy right now; the new Braum's is the only new build I have noticed lately.
If it became a city goal, rehab of the downtown upper levels would have to be long term and implemented building by building. Benefit to the city other than an increased tax base would vary dependent on the building use. Many US cities have successfully implemented plans like this and it seems worth closely examining the possibilities in Independence.
Kant feel Pietzsche

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Why wrote:
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If there was a demand for the houses, they would be built (supply and demand). If you don't have the demand, but you are in the business of supply, you turn to governments and lobby them. All the government has to do is take money from people, give it to a business to build the houses, and then you can claim new home construction is up. It works.
Stop. You had me at "All the government has to do is take money from people".

Yeesh.

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Oct 1, 2012
 
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/independence-...
with this as our FEDERAL EXAMPLE no wonder we waste tax dollars at the local level.
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Oct 1, 2012
 
Start going to the city meetings

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Oct 1, 2012
 
Ryan York wrote:
Start going to the city meetings
i probably would if i lived there but im a county resident. what the city does and FAILS to do rarely affects me. YOU are doing a good thing. DONT quit. you are making progress even if you dont see it. im on my third year of "oversight" duty and it has paid off to remain consistant. thanks for the invite though. i did make the county commission meeting today. had to drive 35 miles one way and take off from work. i sure wish they would go to evening meetings LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!!

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wally515 wrote:
<quoted text>i probably would if i lived there but im a county resident. what the city does and FAILS to do rarely affects me. YOU are doing a good thing. DONT quit. you are making progress even if you dont see it. im on my third year of "oversight" duty and it has paid off to remain consistant. thanks for the invite though. i did make the county commission meeting today. had to drive 35 miles one way and take off from work. i sure wish they would go to evening meetings LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!!
Hey Wally, the county commissioners get paid regardless of when the meeting is...bring that up next meeting...

I think the point is that they would probably rather NOT have the public at the meeting so they don't have to contend with questions...hence, meetings during the day...
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We have state police? I listen to the scanner and everytime the sheriff's office needs help with an accident, there are no troopers anywhere near Montgomery County. They have an office in the Arco Building but are rarely there. I'm not sure KHP knows Montgomery County exists!!
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I would like to see a report on voter turnout in the local elections..everybody gripes and complains, how about even pushing for a "write-in" candidate. Next thing, auditors? Does the city/county have auditors who could make public advisements as to wasteful spending. The employees dare not speak up or they'll face retaliation from the low-lifes on the city and county commission.

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