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hahaha
Saint Louis, MO
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4K are you kidding do you even think that would pay for a slab of concrete? You are a day late and a dollar or two or three of 10,000 short. Compassion is what you want? Go to church.
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hahaha
Saint Louis, MO
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Jay wrote: I love the gate! Would love to see it stay in place as it affords the kids on both sides a safer place to do thier thang! The problem is that it fails to work nearly every time their is a 911 call and the EMT's are directed through the higharcy known as Ambrose Crossing. My lot backs up to the 911 speed bump and have witnessed most of the occasions of failure first hand. Just last week, the fire department did EVERYTHING right from sounding there horns long enough, entering the code, and using the key. All attempts failed and it took 3 firefighters to strugle the gate open. The ambulance, 2nd on call, had to back up and reroute through Frisco Hill in order to get to their medical emergancy. All along Valley Oaks has only requested that this gate have a fail safe systems - bump through. So that if the gate electronics, made probably in china, fail an emergancy response team could push through.
The heartbreaking part of this entire thing is that the Ambrose community has shown absolutely no concern or empathy to the families that they have had a negative effect on. Not one phone call to the families/victims of delayed repsonses! I'm curious as to why they didn't install this gate at the front of their entrance allowing only their residance an entrance pass?? This would have accomplished the same objective for them? Oh, that's right - they don't want there 911 calls to be delayed!
This is not just about traffic and road repair as one of the deciding directors for the Fire Dept. lives in the Ambrose Sub. Additionaly, the Seckman student that live in Valley Oaks have been instructed by the school board not to use the bus stop in Ambrose. Funny, isn't there a Seckman school bus driver that lives in Ambrose?
I guess it will take someone dieing for a decision maker to make the right decision here. Oh wait, that has already happened too when the ambulance responding to a heart attack victim stopped at the flag stakes, before the gate went in, and they coudln't get to him in time. Hey Jay get your facts straight. The fire dept. DID NOT sound the alarms long enough. The fire dept. DID NOT use a key nor did they turn off the gate before they tried to open the gate. They were trying to push the gate open while it was still running. That is like trying to push a parked car. Watch the video and you will see. I will say we have one of the best fire dept. around but everyone makes mistakes and this time one was made. As usual VO people do not have the facts correct. The fire marshall came shortly after this and the gate passed and he himself will say it was human error not gate error. Now you folks are crying the gate should be open in bad weather???? Not!!! Use the roads you pay taxes on. If they are not maintained to your satisfaction call the County. You have every right, you pay taxes on those roads.
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well
Saint Louis, MO
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I live in VO but I respect the people of AC and never did use their streets as a short cut. That said,. I heard the gate is supposed to be open during inclement weather per the RCFD. Is that true?
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Dave
Saint Louis, MO
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well wrote: I live in VO but I respect the people of AC and never did use their streets as a short cut. That said,. I heard the gate is supposed to be open during inclement weather per the RCFD. Is that true? I also live in VO and heard the rumor. I believe that is false. After giving serveral thoughts about this I have come to the conclusion that why would Rock make the gate stay open during bad weather? They can get through the gate and that is what it is designed for. Not as a pass through for us residents to use,bad weather or not. It really makes no sense to think it would be open. I'm not really sure why Rock is in charge of it anyway. It is owned by ambrose crossing and all emergency services use it. I know Rock approved the kind of gate but to my understanding that was it. Am I correct?
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Mickey Mouse
Saint Louis, MO
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Dave wrote: <quoted text>
I also live in VO and heard the rumor. I believe that is false. After giving serveral thoughts about this I have come to the conclusion that why would Rock make the gate stay open during bad weather? They can get through the gate and that is what it is designed for. Not as a pass through for us residents to use,bad weather or not. It really makes no sense to think it would be open. I'm not really sure why Rock is in charge of it anyway. It is owned by ambrose crossing and all emergency services use it. I know Rock approved the kind of gate but to my understanding that was it. Am I correct? According to Planning and Zoning Rock was left in charge to ensure the international fire codes are followed and all services can get through the gate. However, the service can not get through the gate. 1/10 Ambulance dealy of 20 minutes 3/2 Sherrif call failure. The gate is impact to calls that a siren is not used. Therefore, if a sherrif is chasing someone, oops the gate is going to stop a criminal. Thank you for the nightmare and stress Ambrose has caused.
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Dave
Saint Louis, MO
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Hey Mickey Mouse, you need to get you're facts straight. The international fire code was met as soon as the kind of gate went it that the code stated. I'm pretty sure the fire dept is doing inspections to please the public. Every entity knows to use the siren. Now if they don't use them then that is their fault not the AC people. The gate does stop crime. There is no cut through. Simple as that. Sorry you see it as a nightmare. You are one of a few VO residents that feel that way. So the gate won't open but the criminal gets by? How does that make sense? Heck wasn't one of our residents bragging because their lawn mower opens the gate? Get over it already, the gate is there to stay.
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TrueStory
Saint Louis, MO
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Yawn...the problems of entitlement. We fight over nothing as if it's everything, and we ignore everything that really matters. Stomp around claiming "mine mine mine"...waste your time and energy for the poor kids that can't play in the streets trying to protect a gate...it all makes perfect sense in the grand scheme.(heavy sarcasm implied)
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kelly
Saint Louis, MO
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I hear seckman lakes is going for a gate now. I feel like I'm in prison.
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Who cares
Festus, MO
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Well my subdivision can beat your subdivision up!...lol
Grow up people
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TrueStory
Saint Louis, MO
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EXACTLY! Who cares wrote: Well my subdivision can beat your subdivision up!...lol
Grow up people
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I dont care until
United States
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Note: most of Valley oak don't care about the gate, but if something happens to my family, and they die because the gate slowed the EMT response down. I will own the ambrose ct. sub-division and everyone that approved the gate without doing and following the correct procedures to assure no issues will happen with the gate will go to jail! This was a main entrance to valley oaks for EMT response.(not a back entrance between sub-divisions) So, we will wait until someone dies, and this will be on the news again because the poeple in ambrose ct. will be crying that they lost their homes.
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Fart
Festus, MO
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You people are such hoosiers and have nothing better to fight over than a gate? Shows how mature the folks are in your area. Ewww we don't want those folks driving on our street. Big deal, it's what maybe 500ft worth of street they use when they cut thru the subdivision. Get over yourselves, bunch of wanna be snobs.
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