No end in sight for Ilion's 10 year-long grocery shortage

Look at the Fatties
town could use a big diet
get a Health Food store

They're starting to do some testing down there to see how we can do that," Stephens said. "The only involvement the village has is to hope that the outcome at the end is good.
Normally getting government out of the way or non invoved in private sector development is a good thing. The above quote by Ilion Mayor,John Stephens is troubling however, in that it shows that he and others on the Village Board, don't understand or accept the concept of how to help businesses relocate or get of their way
Reference is made to the Village of Herkimer and their retail and business success, we should also look at the Village of Frankfort as well.
Why have these communities been more sucessful in economic rvitalization,with both having at least one grocery store?
Well if we look at what is protrayed in the press, both communities have secured grants, and worked co-operatively with the assistance of Federal, State, and County governments in securing that vacant contaminated private propreties are quickly and adequately cleaned and marketed. Walmart,Hanaford,Lowes in Herkimer and the former Fork and Hoe property are just some exampels of success. Can Ilion say the same, and why not?
Duofold 25 years plus,The old Clifford fuel company,the former Red Barrel Property,Wood's tire, and perhas soon Remingtn School property are just a few.
Increasing taxes and utiliy rates also do not help in economic recovery.Traffic patterns in the village are terrible at best.
Back to the qoute by our Mayor,success in these other villages I would contend came from much more than "hope" and being idol bystanders.Planning communication,enforcement of codes, invest in infrastrucure, and most importantly a willingness, and not going at it alone are what is moving these communities forward, and leaving Ilion behind.
These commuities have learned that there is much more to government and serving the public than just providing public employemnt and good benefits.

Grocery store chains make their siting decisions based on data, i.e., demographics information (including median household income), competing stores and the potential for profitability.

Ilion already has Aldi's, and unfortunately that is the only place that Ilion's low-income, welfare-dependent population can afford to shop. Do not expect a grocery store to open in Ilion any time soon.

However, word on the street is that Wendy's Hamburgers has identified a prospective location in Ilion and is negotating to open a Wendy's restaurant.

A Wendy's restaurant would be highly profitable and good news for Ilion, given the inordinate appetite for fast food (unhealthy though it is) among the generally overweight and low-income village citizens.

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friends of the merge wrote:

Grocery store chains make their siting decisions based on data, i.e., demographics information (including median household income), competing stores and the potential for profitability.
Ilion already has Aldi's, and unfortunately that is the only place that Ilion's low-income, welfare-dependent population can afford to shop. Do not expect a grocery store to open in Ilion any time soon.
However, word on the street is that Wendy's Hamburgers has identified a prospective location in Ilion and is negotating to open a Wendy's restaurant.
A Wendy's restaurant would be highly profitable and good news for Ilion, given the inordinate appetite for fast food (unhealthy though it is) among the generally overweight and low-income village citizens.
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You are a degenerate Moron. Most if not all supermarkets will accept food stamps, so that theory is out the door. Ilion is the most populus community in the County, if Mohawk, and Frankfort supermarkets can survive in these communities why not Ilion?
What is that elusive factor? Answer: Politics, taxes, infrastucture etc.
These communities collectively work harder for it and offer more.
Oh yea, and how ironic that it is Ilion's low-income residents, that has the largest School district and will host the High school in a Merger.All of which you promote and support.
The poor are good enough when they fill our prisons, schools, and obtain federal and state educational aid, and enable dic%s like you to have a good income.
Typical elite ass!

Aren't several of the properties mentioned above contaminated? If they are, get ready for a really long wait to get on the Brownfields list for remediation.

Beast of Burden wrote:

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You are a degenerate Moron. Most if not all supermarkets will accept food stamps, so that theory is out the door. Ilion is the most populus community in the County, if Mohawk, and Frankfort supermarkets can survive in these communities why not Ilion?
What is that elusive factor? Answer: Politics, taxes, infrastucture etc.
These communities collectively work harder for it and offer more.
Oh yea, and how ironic that it is Ilion's low-income residents, that has the largest School district and will host the High school in a Merger.All of which you promote and support.
The poor are good enough when they fill our prisons, schools, and obtain federal and state educational aid, and enable dic%s like you to have a good income.
Typical elite ass!

The "elusive factor," as you put it, why Ilion cannot support a supermarket is the same factor that has made it the least desirable valley community, with the:

Lowest median income
Poorest test scores
Highest dropout rate
Highest unemployment rate

That factor being the general laziness and stupidity of the overall Ilion population. It is not coincidence that Ilion residents are, for instance, substantially fatter than the people in Frankfort. Ilionites in general have shown a profound disinclination to work and little interest in bettering their community or their own lot.

The main activity of many Ilionites is, sadly, drinking.

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Beast of Burden wrote:

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You are a degenerate Moron. Most if not all supermarkets will accept food stamps, so that theory is out the door. Ilion is the most populus community in the County, if Mohawk, and Frankfort supermarkets can survive in these communities why not Ilion?
What is that elusive factor? Answer: Politics, taxes, infrastucture etc.
These communities collectively work harder for it and offer more.
Oh yea, and how ironic that it is Ilion's low-income residents, that has the largest School district and will host the High school in a Merger.All of which you promote and support.
The poor are good enough when they fill our prisons, schools, and obtain federal and state educational aid, and enable dic%s like you to have a good income.
Typical elite ass!

Frankfort and Mohawk markets fill a niche. They also have a long history and a well established following. Now if the owners of those two stores partnered up and brought the best of each to Ilion, that would work.

As far as a Chain opening in Ilion to compete with those two, Wal-Mart and Hannaford’s...keep dreaming.

huh in LF wrote:

Aren't several of the properties mentioned above contaminated? If they are, get ready for a really long wait to get on the Brownfields list for remediation.

Goes to prove my point,Duofold recieved Brownsfield funding some years ago, but owner and Village did not act.
Woods tire recieved funding for cleanup from "Renew New York" still sits.
Fork and Hoe contaminated,being torn down and developed,Walmart / Hanafords contaminated, remediated and developed.
Get the picture, Ilion politicians have been and are ineffective.

squeaky wheel wrote:

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Goes to prove my point,Duofold recieved Brownsfield funding some years ago, but owner and Village did not act.
Woods tire recieved funding for cleanup from "Renew New York" still sits.
Fork and Hoe contaminated,being torn down and developed,Walmart / Hanafords contaminated, remediated and developed.
Get the picture, Ilion politicians have been and are ineffective.

Actually NYS DEC decides when Brownfields projects are scheduled. They ran out of money last year. There is little money for remediation this year. However, the local government needs to push it forward.8645

Beast of Burden wrote:

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You are a degenerate Moron. Most if not all supermarkets will accept food stamps, so that theory is out the door. Ilion is the most populus community in the County, if Mohawk, and Frankfort supermarkets can survive in these communities why not Ilion?
What is that elusive factor? Answer: Politics, taxes, infrastucture etc.
These communities collectively work harder for it and offer more.
Oh yea, and how ironic that it is Ilion's low-income residents, that has the largest School district and will host the High school in a Merger.All of which you promote and support.
The poor are good enough when they fill our prisons, schools, and obtain federal and state educational aid, and enable dic%s like you to have a good income.
Typical elite ass!

Pure grocery chains themselves are a dying breed. Over half the groceries in the US are sold in WalMart (does not include Sam's), with Target and The Dollar Store getting in the game as well. The reality is that the VALLEY could not support another grocery chain, no less Ilion themselves. This is similar to the valley school merger issue. In this case, the market and the retailers imposed a merger on you because their is NOT enough dollar volume to pay the bills in each individual town.

Hannaford and Aldi's are global operators that have the infrastructure to handle small volume stores. Herkimer has the edge for retailers because of the traffic flow on Rte 5. No other village locally has that volume.

This is what happens when people run to Herkimer Wal-Mart just a couple of miles away.

DBH wrote:

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Pure grocery chains themselves are a dying breed. Over half the groceries in the US are sold in WalMart (does not include Sam's), with Target and The Dollar Store getting in the game as well. The reality is that the VALLEY could not support another grocery chain, no less Ilion themselves. This is similar to the valley school merger issue. In this case, the market and the retailers imposed a merger on you because there is NOT enough dollar volume to pay the bills in each individual town.
Hannaford and Aldi's are global operators that have the infrastructure to handle small volume stores. Herkimer has the edge for retailers because of the traffic flow on Rte 5. No other village locally has that volume.

Fixed my grammar error...

huh in LF wrote:

Aren't several of the properties mentioned above contaminated? If they are, get ready for a really long wait to get on the Brownfields list for remediation.

Better yet isn't that Judd lady trying to shove the merger down everyones throat the person who a few years ago was also saying that the property right over by the high school in Ilion was CONTAMINATED? Gee Vicki what happened to that study and all those theories? Hiding all that under a table suddenly?

Merger wrote:

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Better yet isn't that Judd lady trying to shove the merger down everyones throat the person who a few years ago was also saying that the property right over by the high school in Ilion was CONTAMINATED? Gee Vicki what happened to that study and all those theories? Hiding all that under a table suddenly?

I went to Ilion HS in the late 60s and clearly recall seeing a bunch of big items about 50 yards from the tennis courts. Some of us would go up the hill in the field hockey area to retrieve balls.

But what you say is totally off topic. This topic is about the lack of grocery shopping in Ilion. This is NOT about the merger. Get off the rant.

"grocery shortage" .....???

what a joke. you want to talk grocery shortage go to Somalia.

only in this land of plenty with its spoiled brats would people complain about having to drive a whole 1 mile to Walmart in an air-conditioned car to buy food.

count your blessings you "white whine" beeyotches!

Looks like Price Chopper is coming to town!

dont need new food stores
got Dollar Store, Stewart's shoppe
Kinney's and Rite Aid

what's wrong with Aldis
go to the Nice N Sleazy
or the X-Tra Mart

white whine beeyotches wrote:

"grocery shortage" .....???
what a joke. you want to talk grocery shortage go to Somalia.
only in this land of plenty with its spoiled brats would people complain about having to drive a whole 1 mile to Walmart in an air-conditioned car to buy food.
count your blessings you "white whine" beeyotches!

Great post, except, how many fat asses can you fit in a Gary's cab to Walmart?

If U r in Walmart every Saturday as well? Misery loves company? Birds of a color flock together?

oops! I meant "feather" not "color". Old, old saying I remember from my Gramma.