Go! flight report finds no mechanical flaws

The National Transportation Safety Board released a preliminary report of its investigation into a go! airlines flight that flew past the Hilo airport on Feb. Full Story
ilsapproach

San Antonio, TX

#21 Feb 24, 2008
They were having sex.
You know it is true

Vancouver, WA

#22 Feb 24, 2008
Frequent Flyer wrote:
I am happy that Go! is here serving Hawaii- their price is more affordable, they’re always on-time, and most importantly, they’re putting pressure on Aloha and Hawaiian to improve their services. Looking at this incident, if the plane was functioning ok, clearly, the pilots were at fault and have to take full responsibility. Their pilot license should be suspended.
Are happy about Go!'s service or are you happy that they keep your tickets on Aloha or Hawaiian low. There are a lot of people who like that Go! is in town so they can keep ticket prices unrealistically cheap but they fly on AQ or HA but expect others to support Go! As you can see there is not much real support for go!
JO and his cronies are a cancer in the industry, like lorenzo, he eventually will fail, the only issue how many people will they screw over to do feed his ego while the ship is sinking. Just ask the shareholders...
mahalo_air

Kansas City, MO

#23 Feb 24, 2008
While not defending ignorant actions, a lot of name calling and speculation has taken place to the detriment of professional reputations.

I wonder when/if the CVR (cockpit recorder) was downloaded off the aircraft. The answer seems to be no.

So the next question in my mind, what do the ATC tapes say...At all airlines, sometimes pilots do miss their handoff or switch frequencies incorrectly. Ex, ATC says contact Hilo tower frequency 132.275. Pilot switches to 132.75. Huge difference.(again not accurate frequencys but just an example). There are procedures for that, but it takes a few minutes and I'm not aware of Mesa's specific operational procedures. Our airline plys the skies of the east coast, and our situation procedure radio mis-communication will go something like this (again simplistic):
Boston ATC controller relaying to their supervisor relaying through San Fran ARINC representative (plane text messaging provider) to our operations center in St. Louis to relay to our plane over Syracuse whose flying at 8 miles a minute...how fast can six people communicate? In 4 minutes, the plane is already 32 miles off-course.
UHStudent

United States

#24 Feb 24, 2008
Funny how no one mentions how 'safe' Aloha's planes are. Metal fatigued old POS noise polluting aircrafts, all due to extreme mismanagement in asset allocation. You would think they would learn after the convertible disaster twenty years ago; it's just waiting to happen again.
willie

Farmington, MI

#25 Feb 24, 2008
Frequent Flyer wrote:
I am happy that Go! is here serving Hawaii- their price is more affordable, they’re always on-time, and most importantly, they’re putting pressure on Aloha and Hawaiian to improve their services. Looking at this incident, if the plane was functioning ok, clearly, the pilots were at fault and have to take full responsibility. Their pilot license should be suspended.
Their price is NOT more affordable, it is below cost...it might be cheap now but had they suceeded in driving off Aloha and/or Hawaiian they price would have gone through the roof.
Guess the old saying is true, you get what you pay for.
Guitarjsuh

Forest Hills, NY

#26 Feb 24, 2008
Go! is the best airline in the world!
Westsideray

Aiea, HI

#27 Feb 24, 2008
Aliens I say. They took the pilots to their spaceship, then put them back in the plane. They were gone for 2 weeks, but only 15 minutes Earth time.
Old Pilot

Mililani, HI

#28 Feb 24, 2008
It happens. I used to worry about what would happen with some of the guys I flew with who just couldn't stay awake. I didn't know how they could stay awake if they flew solo. I know fighter pilots who worried about staying awake. But it is very unusual for two guys to fall asleep unless there was a problem with cabin pressure or CO.

When they couldn't raise the pilots by radio as they neared their approach I am surprised they didn't scramble the Air Guard's F15's to see if there was a problem (not that they could do anything if the cabin had depressurized).
bluestraveler

Kailua, HI

#29 Feb 24, 2008
Good point, old pilot! Not to be tangential, but where were our air guards? Sleeping, perhaps?
Go Gone

Honolulu, HI

#30 Feb 24, 2008
Air marshals on an inter-island economy flight. Dream on.
kimonaboy

Waipahu, HI

#31 Feb 24, 2008
Maybe they were "busy" for 15 mins.
Haleakala

Kapolei, HI

#32 Feb 24, 2008
Just flew GO for the first time. I was surprised by the size of the plane. Tiny. But I was also surprised by the power of the engines and the smoothness of the flight.

Funny that one of the passengers on our flight asked the pilot while we were boarding, "Please don't fall asleep" and the pilot laughed and said, "don't worry, I won't"
The Captain Speaking

Burlingame, CA

#33 Feb 24, 2008
Tip_ of_ the_ Iceberg wrote:
While ultimate responsibility for what happened on this flight does lie with the pilots, I want to make sure the people of Hawaii realize that ALL the pilots at Mesa airlines have been begging almost pleading with Jonathan Ornstein to fix the safety and scheduling issues here at Mesa for the last 5 to 7 years.
This incident is just the TIP of the iceberg of what is going on at Mesa Airlines and more importantly what Jonathan Ornstein is hiding from the general public.
He has been TOLD point blank from the union and regular Mesa pilots that the schedules are UNSAFE and that there are other SERIOUS safety issues which need to be addressed. Everytime we (the pilots) have brought these issues to his attention he flat out ignores us.
There is no doubt within the industry that Jonathan
Ornstein is Frank Lorenzo reincarnated. He is in fact disliked...hated... as much by other airline's management as he is by his own employee's, especially the pilots. However, he and Mesa have never been accused of breaking any FAR's - Federal Aviation Regulations. So the question must be asked, if his pilots, and presumable pilots for other airlines both large and small, are flying around so fatigued that they fall asleep at 10:00 A.M., does perhaps the fault lie with the system and the regulations that govern that system?
Jet Jock

AOL

#34 Feb 24, 2008
It'S hard to stay awake when all you have to look forward to is peanuts for pay !!!
waikikihotels

San Antonio, TX

#35 Feb 25, 2008
They were having sex.
Had enough

Honolulu, HI

#36 Feb 25, 2008
They were DEFINITELY having sex. But hey, if you want an airline ticket for A BUCK, that's what you get: exactly what you pay for.
lms

Nashville, TN

#37 Feb 25, 2008
I wonder how much extra they charge for flights where the pilots stay awake?
BSvoboda

Barnesville, OH

#38 Feb 25, 2008
I know a few pilots who drink to excess...scary.
adam_s

Columbia, SC

#41 Feb 25, 2008
I would have thought that FAA crew rest rules would have prohibited these two from flying so soon after their previous shift.
unhookt

Davis, CA

#42 Feb 25, 2008
doh!

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