Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

wonderfulshiver wrote:

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Hello. The race is not too factual, all the more so there is no really a proof to a race and in itself no a proof to a Jewish race, or the Hebrews! We are all the sons of god. We should love each other more than we used to, I believe it is really what he want as a basis in relationship between humans. Have a great week! Peace and love.

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MUQ wrote:

To: Mohimba
You have put a very pertinent question to Christians and I know they have no face to answer you, except quote to you from the Letters of St. Paul.
Jesus was indeed a Jewish prophet, He was a Jew, He lived like a Jew through out his life, He did not establish his own separate Church. He abided by most of Jewish laws.
He indeed was a great reformer of Jewish religion of his time. The Jewish religion had become too ritualistic at his time and was devoid of moral elements. Jesus introduced moral values and spirituality in his preaching to Jews. Jesus’ teachings make a perfect sense when read along with laws of Torah and Prophets.
The Jews who accepted message of Jesus were the real Christians. Not only that, Those were the real Jews also. Jews who rejected Jesus were not real Jews. By rejecting a righteous prophet of God, they made themselves rebellious of God and worthy of His wrath.
After Jesus left this earth, St. Paul turned his simple religion upside down. He broke the link between Jesus and Torah. It was he and not Jesus who abolished all laws of Torah. The followers of Paul in effect are not the true followers of Jesus.
Fortunately or unfortunately, followers of Paul got the upper hand in the centuries of fighting between rival Christian factors. And these are the people who go by the name of Christians.
As an anti climax, Jews rejecting Jesus are known today as real Jews.
The fact is Real Christians and real Jews are one and the same thing. And they are also Real Muslims too.
Let us see what you have to say about this honest remarks of mine.

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Rabbi Shapiro wrote:

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Hey if Paul was a false prophet, then it's very easy to fix that. Dump the whole New Testament.
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History Guy wrote:

Christianity is a religion that sprung from the schism in Judaism after the followers of Jesus of Nazareth began to say He was the Messiah. But it wasn't until the 4th Century when Rome accepted Christianity as a religion that the final separation was made.
Are the Messianic Jews Christians? Are they followers of the Church in Rome or one of the many Protestant sects? Why are they not like the Jews of the 1st Century who accept Jesus as the Messiah? Those Jews were not Christians, they were Jews who practiced Judaism.
Oh this religion stuff just makes people angry, is it all worth the fighting?

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PhukIsrael wrote:

Hebrew IS jibberish!!
Oy Vey!!
Learn the Truth about the Zionist Savages!!
http://curtmaynardsnewestblog.blogspot.com/20...

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Rabbi Shapiro wrote:

Would you prefer Torah Judaism, Eric?

MUQ wrote:

I Know that in these times religions are just a label and not based on faith or conviction.
A person may be Atheist, but still say he is Jew, because he or she was born in a Jewish family.
In the same way, a person may call himself Christian, but do not believe in a single word or Jesus.
Same holds for Muslims and people of other faiths also.
I was speaking from the point of view of religion and not what labels people put on.
A True Jew is one who belives in all Jewish prophets including Jesus.
A true Christian is also who beleives in all Jewish prophets including Jesus. He belives in what Jesus believed and acts on what Jesus taught.
There would be no differences between a true Jew and True Christian.
That is the position between Jews and Christians... The case with Last and Final prophet is separate.
If we solve the problem between Jews and Christians and clarfiy who is who, then our job becomes easy, when it comes to last and final prophet of God.

Lipush wrote:

As long as you don't keep the Shabbat, eat pork or eat non-kosher, you will never be considered as the same as a "true JEW"

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Lipush wrote:

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If Jews and
Christians were one and the same Judaism would have disappered.
Fact is that Christians don't see at the same eyes with Jews.As long as you don't keep the Shabbat, eat pork or eat non-kosher, you will never be considered as the same as a "true JEW"

MUQ wrote:

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In the eyes of Creator, there is nothing like Judaism and there is nothing like Christianity.
The religion of Moses was not Judaism and religion of Jesus was not Christianity or Judaism.
The names Judaism and Christianity are self given names by the followers of these prophets.
A true **** would follow all the laws of Torah and also teachings of Jesus.
A true Christian would also follow all laws of Torah and also teachings of Jesus.
In they eyes of God...there is only one religion. The same religion which was followed by Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, Solomon and Jesus.
And that true chain of prophets ended with the Last and Final prophet (which was mentioned both in Torah and Gospels).
In the eyes of God, matter are much more simplified than what we humans have made complicated for ourselves.

MUQ wrote:

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In the eyes of Creator, there is nothing like Judaism and there is nothing like Christianity.
The religion of Moses was not Judaism and religion of Jesus was not Christianity or Judaism.
The names Judaism and Christianity are self given names by the followers of these prophets.
A true Jew would follow all the laws of Torah and also teachings of Jesus.
A true Christian would also follow all laws of Torah and also teachings of Jesus.
In they eyes of God...there is only one religion. The same religion which was followed by Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, Solomon and Jesus.
And that true chain of prophets ended with the Last and Final prophet (which was mentioned both in Torah and Gospels).
In the eyes of God, matter are much more simplified than what we humans have made complicated for ourselves.

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Liam R wrote:

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You have only the word of a camel stealing child rapist to support your claims that the koran is in any Divinely inspired. The koran itself says that if it were not Divinely inspired, there would be errors in it, and it claims that the Sun sets in a muddy pond at the end of the day -- oops, BIG error. Looks like the koran is only good for toilet paper after all.

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Barbara wrote:

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When did you become G-d's press secretary? Your claim to know what G-d thinks is imperious.

MUQ wrote:

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My views are strengthened when we do not find the Word Judaim in Bible

Rabbi Shapiro wrote:

t is any one's guess what was religion of Moses and what was religion of Jesus.
--MUQ
It could not have been Islam, as the devil muhammad was not yet born.
Jesus would never bow down and pray to a black cube with a space rock inside.
C'mon, man! Get Real!

Eric wrote:

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Have you tried Daniel 3; Isaiah 36; Jerimiah 52; 2 Chronicles 32; Ezra 4,5 & 6; Nehimiah 1, 4,5,& 6; Esther 8 & 9.
I am looking at the Hebrew.

MUQ wrote:

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Who told you that our prophet was the originator of Islam? The Word Islam means "To surrender oneself to the will of one's Creator".
In that sense every prophet was a Muslim and their religion was Islam, because they surrendered themselves to the will of their Creator.

MUQ wrote:

<quoted text> Whom would you prefer? Face towards a House made by Abraham or one made by Jacob?