Bail denied for suspect in 3 motorcyclists' deaths

GOOD!!!!

Bikers have every right to be on the road as the woman in the SUV putting on her makeup and eating breakfast at the same time!

Gary Moody -- Franklin wrote:

I hope to heck they throw the book at that driver.
However. Let's assume, shall we, that these unfortunate folks were typical Harley lifestylists who made the mistake of not wearing helmets. Primarily thanks to ABATE and their lackey (NOT) My Man Mitch, who claims that wearing a helmet is a "choice." In that case, let's spread the responsibility for this tragedy around to the other culprits, who also have blood on their hands.
I'm just using this as an example, since the article doesn't mention helmets, and I don't have the original reporting to go by. But what I'm talking about happens all the time in Indiana, and Pennsylvania, and California, and other states where ABATE uses the helmet issue as a political football. They are to motorcycle safety what the NRA is to gun safety. Completely bogus.

Piss off.

I had on a helmet when I went down a few months ago. You know what? my helmet didn't have a scratch on it when I sat up. My shoulder, hips, arm, and knee were a different story. There is much more to motorcycle safety than just wearing a helmet. Your response is typical of the "cagers". You drive around thinking you're perfectly safe while in a steel cage.

Blame the biker(s) though. Typical cager.

Sir Hailstone wrote:

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Piss off.
I had on a helmet when I went down a few months ago. You know what? my helmet didn't have a scratch on it when I sat up. My shoulder, hips, arm, and knee were a different story. There is much more to motorcycle safety than just wearing a helmet.
Your response is typical of the "cagers". You drive around thinking you're perfectly safe while in a steel cage.
Blame the biker(s) though. Typical cager.

I agree with you. This guy has typical lazy thinking. Blame the victim. Throw a punch at Mitch too. Wow, clear, well thought out sound bites.Every time I get on my bike I wear what I want to crash in.My choice. So what, I also accept personal responsiblity for myself. As for Gov Mitch, I have ridden with him and attended too many soldiers funerals with him. He is an amazing man. He is only trying to save this sorry State. HE is confusing the simpler people by telling them exactly what he believes in and then actually doing it.

I personally knew Dr. Brooksby, he was fantastic man, husband, father, spritual leader, and healer. I for one would like to see this POS... Newkirk be castrated while he is waiting trial.

I can see why they refused his bond. He got caught doing the same thing again.

Gary you aren't arguing the point. You want to argue about helmets.

Get a life, and buckle up...hahahaha

I experienced the crash, as one of the riders in the group, and believe me, helmets had NOTHING to do with these deaths! ER responders and police at the scene said that it wouldn't have mattered if Brooksby and Shipley had been in a car, they still wouldn't have had a chance of surviving. Bird had a helmet on and it didn't help him. This was a horrible, horrible accident. Only some of the group had seconds to respond; others didn't... It's only by a miracle that more of us didn't die that day at the hands of this stoned out meth-head!! You try running head-on into some idiot who crosses into your lane when both of you are going over 50 mph and see if YOU survive!!!

Gary Moody -- Franklin wrote:

I hope to heck they throw the book at that driver.
However. Let's assume, shall we, that these unfortunate folks were typical Harley lifestylists who made the mistake of not wearing helmets. Primarily thanks to ABATE and their lackey (NOT) My Man Mitch, who claims that wearing a helmet is a "choice." In that case, let's spread the responsibility for this tragedy around to the other culprits, who also have blood on their hands.
I'm just using this as an example, since the article doesn't mention helmets, and I don't have the original reporting to go by. But what I'm talking about happens all the time in Indiana, and Pennsylvania, and California, and other states where ABATE uses the helmet issue as a political football. They are to motorcycle safety what the NRA is to gun safety. Completely bogus.

And another thing... Before you go bashing ABATE, maybe you should be aware of all the incredible things they do both to educate bikers on good riding practices and safety (including wearing a helmet), and to help the community! ABATE has never "endorsed" not wearing a helmet as "safe"; what they do stand for, however, is freedom of choice, which last time I looked, was one of the foundations this Country was based on!! Much of the legislation they work to get passed is to promote motorcycle safety and safety on the roads for ALL types of vehicles. If your wife or son or daughter had been in Newkirk's path that day, no matter what vehicle they were in, they'd be dead and you'd be just as vehement as we are that he be kept off the roads!

ABATE Biker wrote:

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As an ABATE officer, I was really going to sound on Gary about what ABATE stands for and how bent he is. Then I read your post. I couldn't have said it better myself. On behalf of 27,000 ABATE brothers and sisters across the state, THANK YOU for your kind words and support.

The pleasure is all mine. Thanks for all the time and hard work I know you guys put in, along with the good, worthwhile things you do.

I am a survivor of this crash and my husband and I and one of the deceased did have on a helmet. But the fact here is that if this asshole didn;t use drugs and drive it would not have made a difference who had on a helmet and who did not. We are in no way at fault for any of this. And the fact that he did it again proves me right.

Gary helmets don't help Mr&Mrs B pay there bills or make it fun to stand in the hall at the courthouse and hear Newkirk joke with his friends as he wait's for his free ride to free meals and a bed FU THAT PUNK!!!

Helmets are good but I make the call to put it on.

Newkirk made the call to drive that day and kill 3 and hurt 2 of my friends and leave 7 of us that were there that day with thoughts and visions I don't think you would want!!!!!

was every single person on a motocycle wearing a helmet? im sure not...and the news definitely didnt put that in any article.

I think motor cyclists should be allowed to ride without helmets BUT if they are in an accident with a head injury, the insurance pay-out should be limited.

ABATE Biker wrote:

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I suppose we could throw in snowmobiling, skiing, ice fishing, bull riding, and any thing else an insurance company calls "risky behavior." Should the insurance pay-out be doubled if I have a head injury while I'm wearing a helmet? The best helmet ever made is tested and rated up to 45 mph. Any thing above that just gives you a choice between an open or closed casket. I, for one, do not want an insurance company dictating or superceding state laws. Do you?

You forgot to bring up driving while on the cell phone and drinking coffee, too, because I have heard those behaviors equated with riding without a helmet. Ice fishing is a new one, and I commend your creativity for tossing that into the mix.

I realize that many on one side of the issue have trouble seeing that is unfair for the rest of us to pay for people's personal choices to engage in behaviors of higher risk. You want your freedom to drive without a helmet and I want my freedom from being impacted by your choice should we meet under accidental circumstances.

Nellie,
I was one of the lucky ones to survive that accident. Let me be the one to tell you the story. 10 of us on 7 bikes were out for a nice Sunday drive. We had been with approximately 100 other bikes earlier that morning. We were all on our way home. We had stopped just up the road a bit for a break. Of the 10 of us 1/2 were wearing helmets. Three of us who were hit (1) died and my husband and I were wearing helmets. I believe most of the others had on helmets also. Now lets take a car weighting (?)-vs- a motorcycle just who do you think is going to win. We did nothing wrong. We are INNOCENT.

So now my thoughts are why should we be penalized when this boy chose to drive while under the influence of DRUGS and hit all of us. WE DID NOTHING WRONG. You want me to pay more because of this idiot are serious. I had not one medical bill on Oct 1 I now have almost $200,000 and you want to take more money away from me. Let me tell you what I want. I want to send all my medical bills to you and this idiot who hit us. I want the 14 kids who lost their parents that day to call you and then you can tell them that you want to reduce the amount of money they may get. Do you really want me to go on....so lets not discuss the helmet laws here anymore.

ABATE Biker wrote:

I've never understood the whole "us paying for your reckless behavior" argument. When you figure in the cost of a motorcycle these days, I'd say it's safe to say that the vast majority of motorcyclists are better insured than most car drivers. If not, they would fall under the "driving without insurance" law and pay the consequences. The bottom line is that insurance companies are in that business to make and save money, no matter whose freedoms they trample on.

First, no one said anything about paying for "reckless" behavior. It is about paying for high risk behavior. Second, motorcycle insurance should be higher because it is higher risk. Third, when payouts are made on accidents, all of our rates go up. That's how the insurance industry can pay claims and still make a ton of money. The more serious the injury, the more money that gets paid out.

You obviousely do not understand insurance. You have $100,000 liability believe me when I say that is all that is being paid. And if you divide that 5 ways (3 deaths, 2 injured) that is not much when you have as high a medical bill as we do. We were somewhat lucky in that we had underinsured insurance but we are still left with well over $100,000 to pay out of our pocket.
So it does not matter how serious the injury there is a limit to what the insurance co will pay. And the only rate that goes up is the insured persons rate. So please speak only about what you know for sure. And there is no high risk behavior in motorcycle riding only idiot drivers. As for our insurance being higher don;t you think that someone who is going to use drugs and drive should have higher insurance premiums. Do you really have any idea of what you are saying.

Mrs. B you must have been under the impression I was talking to you and defending someone that, while driving impaired, killed and injured people. I wasn't.

My comments have been directed toward those that think their freedoms are being taken away because of helmet laws. My point is that if you don't want to wear a helmet I think you should have that right, BUT you then have a greater responsibility for sustaining a serious injury in an accident because if you are driving on the road with automobiles, the automobile is going to cause more damage to you than you will cause to the automobile in an accident whether it is your fault or not.

I don't think anyone can argue that a person on a motorcycle is safer than a person in an automobile, truck, etc. if an accident were to occur between the two. We are all supposed to follow the law when we drive and people that don't should be punished. That's an entirely different issue from what I am addressing.

Nellie of the North wrote:

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First, no one said anything about paying for "reckless" behavior. It is about paying for high risk behavior. Second, motorcycle insurance should be higher because it is higher risk. Third, when payouts are made on accidents, all of our rates go up. That's how the insurance industry can pay claims and still make a ton of money. The more serious the injury, the more money that gets paid out.

Well, heck, let's have a weigh-in. If you're overweight I think you should pay double in FICA taxes so my tax dollars aren't supporting anyone's eating habits.......NOT!
Your mind frame is one of socialism, bordering on fascism.
LAISSEZ FAIRE!

Let's get back to the forum. The bail was denied because this idiot drove under the influence of drugs. He bailed out and then did it again. He belongs in jail for life. Rather we were on motorcycles, with or without helmets, he still drove while under the influence of drugs. He collided with us. If we were in a car and he hit us headon, we still would of lost lives that day. We all lost some very good people. Our hearts are still acheing. And he still belongs in jail.