Another Embezzlement!

Kimmbo1 wrote:

First and foremost I am a Christian and I know that I have to FORGIVE to be FORGIVEN by my father in heaven, but to forgive is one thing but to forget the $100,000.00's that were STOLEN from the TAXPAYERS of Montmorency County is WRONG!!Who is going to replace the money? The taxpayers, the people that paid fines through the Magistrate Court are the ones that should also be infuriated, I don't care what Kim Dobbyn's was "drunk, sober" or "whether her kids needed a boat" WHAT SHE DONE WAS WRONG!! If it had been someone without one of the Affluent names in Montmorency County they would have been transported to the nearest womens detention center to be registered as a FELON! There would NEVER have been lets just make this person serve time in the county jail what little time she spent there!! God fobid she has learned a lesson from all of this!!And it seems all is forgiven and forgotten!! How about some form of repayment? Is this out of the question? Or is this to much to ask?

It seems to me that in order to be forgiven for an evil act you must first admit to it. You then would have to remidy the situation and make it right as much as possible. Then you may ask to be forgiven. Before the forgiveness there must be the admission and correction. Neither of these has really been done, so I don't think that forgiveness is appropriate.

just a thought wrote:

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It seems to me that in order to be forgiven for an evil act you must first admit to it. You then would have to remidy the situation and make it right as much as possible. Then you may ask to be forgiven. Before the forgiveness there must be the admission and correction. Neither of these has really been done, so I don't think that forgiveness is appropriate.

I agree with you, Kim never admitted anything. She just hoped we would all think it was a big mistake. No one but maybe her family believed she was not guilty of the crime. That is why she took a plea, because she thought the truth would come out. What person would take a felon plea if they were innocent. They would fight it in court first. happy voting kim.

I hope you all have steadfast opinions and voice them equally might there be more possible indiscretions found linked to someone you like, are related to, or associate with. Hang on Kim, you won’t be alone for long!

just a thought wrote:

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The problem seems to be that in order to get hired at the court house you have to either "know" someone or be related to someone. It is hard to make changes when the watchdogs are part of the system. Good luck.

That's why we nominate and then we vote. It's all in the vote! Want change? Nominate and vote, nominate and vote, nominate and vote!!!!! This is a very small community...everybody either knows, or knows of. So how can you help but "know" or "be related to" someone who works there. Candy Fox was my top reference person....she had a stellar reputation, is kind, thoughtful, loves animals, is an excellent cook, and knows where all the wild blueberries are. She was one of my closest friends....and what do friends do? They help each other. What sticks in my craw, is when a qualified/educationally trained individual....requiring no further education in their field, is turned away in favor of someone who is not. Poor choices are usually made by department heads, who are also in charge of the hiring and firing. That's a whole lot of power. It's kinda like a mini-kingdom. Wouldn't it be nice to have a group of community-minded neighbors form a volunteer Montmorency County Municipal Human Resource and Organizational Effectiveness Department. This hiring board would be responsible for choosing the best candidate based on work history, education, and work references. Other necessary "good-fit" prerequisites would apply. The chosen applicant would also under-go a background check (it's the court house for cryin'-out-loud). And the frosting on the cake? An employment physical with drug screen, all compliments of Montmorency County.

Unannounced Visitor wrote:

I hope you all have steadfast opinions and voice them equally might there be more possible indiscretions found linked to someone you like, are related to, or associate with. Hang on Kim, you won’t be alone for long!

Interesting play on words you have there. "Steadfast opinions". Steadfast means unwavering. An opinion is the view somebody takes about an issue, especially when it is based solely on personal judgment. "Possible indiscretions". Possible = capable of happening or likely to happen in the future, and indiscretions = something said or done that is tactless or unwise. Do you really believe an eye for an eye applies???.....or am I missing something here? It's important to know...that more than a few want Kim to succeed, not throw more bodies at her.

just a thought wrote:

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It seems to me that in order to be forgiven for an evil act you must first admit to it. You then would have to remidy the situation and make it right as much as possible. Then you may ask to be forgiven. Before the forgiveness there must be the admission and correction. Neither of these has really been done, so I don't think that forgiveness is appropriate.

You must be incredibly close to Kim. Only from within the inner sanctum of her nearest and dearest, would have access to that information...that known fact by you, that she never admitted guilt. Didn't a court of law determine guilt based on evidence? Am I missing something here...again? One should never come to the table with a problem without being able to offer up a plethora of resolve, so tell me....what are your suggestions of remedy to "make the situation right"? You mean to tell me there's only one step in the forgiveness by-laws? Well I'm sorry, but that's one too many. Jesus Christ said forgive as freely as you have been forgiven; and as far as correction? I'm about 50/50 on that one. I'd probably find it fair, regarding restitution, if she could secure a steady job so she can contribute back, and still be able to meet the other necessary obligations of running a house-hold. Last, but not least....you don't think forgiveness is appropriate? Really? I pray that you don't hold a position of authority within the County...that, to me, is very scary!

local lady wrote:

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I agree with you, Kim never admitted anything. She just hoped we would all think it was a big mistake. No one but maybe her family believed she was not guilty of the crime. That is why she took a plea, because she thought the truth would come out. What person would take a felon plea if they were innocent. They would fight it in court first. happy voting kim.

Really?

Scarlettears wrote:

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Really?

Ya realy

Scarlettears wrote:

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You must be incredibly close to Kim. Only from within the inner sanctum of her nearest and dearest, would have access to that information...that known fact by you, that she never admitted guilt. Didn't a court of law determine guilt based on evidence? Am I missing something here...again? One should never come to the table with a problem without being able to offer up a plethora of resolve, so tell me....what are your suggestions of remedy to "make the situation right"? You mean to tell me there's only one step in the forgiveness by-laws? Well I'm sorry, but that's one too many. Jesus Christ said forgive as freely as you have been forgiven; and as far as correction? I'm about 50/50 on that one. I'd probably find it fair, regarding restitution, if she could secure a steady job so she can contribute back, and still be able to meet the other necessary obligations of running a house-hold. Last, but not least....you don't think forgiveness is appropriate? Really? I pray that you don't hold a position of authority within the County...that, to me, is very scary!

You seem to think it is ok to steel from the tax payers.I can't help but wonder how much you got from the tax payers when you worked there.

Scarlettears wrote:

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You must be incredibly close to Kim. Only from within the inner sanctum of her nearest and dearest, would have access to that information...that known fact by you, that she never admitted guilt. Didn't a court of law determine guilt based on evidence? Am I missing something here...again? One should never come to the table with a problem without being able to offer up a plethora of resolve, so tell me....what are your suggestions of remedy to "make the situation right"? You mean to tell me there's only one step in the forgiveness by-laws? Well I'm sorry, but that's one too many. Jesus Christ said forgive as freely as you have been forgiven; and as far as correction? I'm about 50/50 on that one. I'd probably find it fair, regarding restitution, if she could secure a steady job so she can contribute back, and still be able to meet the other necessary obligations of running a house-hold. Last, but not least....you don't think forgiveness is appropriate? Really? I pray that you don't hold a position of authority within the County...that, to me, is very scary!

First of all I am not close to Kim at all. I do not travel in her circle, nor she in mine. When I said that she did not admit her guilt I meant that she did on come clean on everything that happened. Had she done so there would have been no need for all of the investigation and auditing (hopefully there was a complete audit). Admitting something does not just mean that you accept a plea bargain. That is not the way the game is played. As for the court determining her guilt based on evidence, no she accepted a plea bargain. Making the situation right means that you return the money that was taken wrongfully. Apparently she didn’t have any qualms about taking the money and worrying about other people in the county who had to make up the slack for the money that was taken. We are currently looking at possible millage increases because the County is short of money. I will not attempt to quote scripture and verse. I will leave that to you. I am sure that anything I say can be either supported or negated with some scripture. I believe that in order to be forgiven you must do more than just say your sorry. If that was true we would have to just pass out blanket forgiveness like tossing rose petals in the path.
As for your last comment, Huh?

just a thought wrote:

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First of all I am not close to Kim at all. I do not travel in her circle, nor she in mine. When I said that she did not admit her guilt I meant that she did on come clean on everything that happened. Had she done so there would have been no need for all of the investigation and auditing (hopefully there was a complete audit). Admitting something does not just mean that you accept a plea bargain. That is not the way the game is played. As for the court determining her guilt based on evidence, no she accepted a plea bargain. Making the situation right means that you return the money that was taken wrongfully. Apparently she didn’t have any qualms about taking the money and worrying about other people in the county who had to make up the slack for the money that was taken. We are currently looking at possible millage increases because the County is short of money. I will not attempt to quote scripture and verse. I will leave that to you. I am sure that anything I say can be either supported or negated with some scripture. I believe that in order to be forgiven you must do more than just say your sorry. If that was true we would have to just pass out blanket forgiveness like tossing rose petals in the path.
As for your last comment, Huh?

Before I address the bulk of your topic, please forgive me for being so factious...sometimes I get frustrated and so I tend to become short, or sarcastic. Although nothing personal intended, that still doesn't make it right. Fear. Have you ever been so filled with fear that it immobilizes you? Fear is an all-consuming emotion. Add to the mix, fifteen people trying to advise you on what you either need to do, should so, shouldn't do...you go numb and allow others to make choices for you because psychologically, the brain cannot handle the over-load. Then there's the years of after-math. We are not Kim...we don't know what she went through, or her family went through. Did she bring that on herself? Well...yes. That's why I believe it's time to let go and let God. Any solutions as to how she can pay it back? One might be to give her a job so she CAN pay it back, then we begin to recoup a little of what was missing. Because most of us here have lived long enough to understand the biblical concept of we reap what we sow, if we choose the seedier side of life, we get what we get. If we choose healthier aspects of living, we can usually avoid the pitfalls of bad decision making. So yeah...a blanket of forgiveness is not what we're looking for here...just an opportunity to start over again, become gainfully employed so that payments can be made, and bills paid, repairs, whatever. Shunning is almost natural in events like this, unfortunately, the shunning can go on for years, and as a result the wound never heals. What a way to go through life!

I have no faith in the Tribune. They are not a news paper. It is opinion based and most facts and truths are hidden. It is time to start a new paper one that will expose the people for who they are right off the bat. I know I have called and asked them to investigate things before and to my surprise it never happened. They are hiders of the truth and a scam. If they did their job we would know about everyone we elect or that has been placed into an important position. Expose character it is easy.

just a thought wrote:

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It seems to me that in order to be forgiven for an evil act you must first admit to it. You then would have to remidy the situation and make it right as much as possible. Then you may ask to be forgiven. Before the forgiveness there must be the admission and correction. Neither of these has really been done, so I don't think that forgiveness is appropriate.

Yes, I realize that she has done neither and that it needs to be done for her to get the TAXPAYERS FORGIVENESS.... but how likely is this to happen??? Walking around Atlanta Michigan with your head held high is WRONG!! What upsets me the most is the fact that some feel that she has served her time for the (FELONY CRIME) that she committed and I don't care what her reasoning was! Anyone else (of the female gender) as I said would have been taken to the NEAREST women's CORRECTIONAL FACILITY and had their picture made and a record that states that they are a FELON and I can certainly guarantee that they would NOT have stayed at a local hotel where their kids and husband could come be with them!! Is this true punishment? NOOO!!I really would like to know how many days & nights Kim stayed at the Montmorency County Jail? But in order for us as humans that believe that Jesus is our Savior the Bible says that we must FORGIVE in order for our Father in Heaven to FORGIVE us our wrongs!!All we can do is pray that God releases us from the anger we hold! It is not fair that the TAXPAYERS of Montmorency County have to approve a millage now because of what she has done, but as long as she has people that will forgive her and let her think that everything is done she WILL NEVER NEVER see that she has done something wrong! She will NEVER PAY IT BACK... but you can bet that if it was anyone else they would never live it down!!!

jrfan882009 wrote:

I have no faith in the Tribune. They are not a news paper. It is opinion based and most facts and truths are hidden. It is time to start a new paper one that will expose the people for who they are right off the bat. I know I have called and asked them to investigate things before and to my surprise it never happened. They are hiders of the truth and a scam. If they did their job we would know about everyone we elect or that has been placed into an important position. Expose character it is easy.

You are so right. It's not an unbiased, fair newspaper at all. They only print what they want, not what really happens. I'd be happy to help you with a REAL newspaper.

Kimmbo1 wrote:

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Yes, I realize that she has done neither and that it needs to be done for her to get the TAXPAYERS FORGIVENESS.... but how likely is this to happen??? Walking around Atlanta Michigan with your head held high is WRONG!! What upsets me the most is the fact that some feel that she has served her time for the (FELONY CRIME) that she committed and I don't care what her reasoning was! Anyone else (of the female gender) as I said would have been taken to the NEAREST women's CORRECTIONAL FACILITY and had their picture made and a record that states that they are a FELON and I can certainly guarantee that they would NOT have stayed at a local hotel where their kids and husband could come be with them!! Is this true punishment? NOOO!!I really would like to know how many days & nights Kim stayed at the Montmorency County Jail? But in order for us as humans that believe that Jesus is our Savior the Bible says that we must FORGIVE in order for our Father in Heaven to FORGIVE us our wrongs!!All we can do is pray that God releases us from the anger we hold! It is not fair that the TAXPAYERS of Montmorency County have to approve a millage now because of what she has done, but as long as she has people that will forgive her and let her think that everything is done she WILL NEVER NEVER see that she has done something wrong! She will NEVER PAY IT BACK... but you can bet that if it was anyone else they would never live it down!!!

Is it really all about the taxpayer's money?....Huum....oh well, guess it's the same everywhere, especially Washington! If it's truly about the taxpayer monies, then it isn't about Kim anymore. It's about who you seat in office....they're the people who make the final decision when it comes to time served, restitution and such. If you don't want this to happen yet again (think Jessica), then look amongst you. Who will serve? I'm relieved in some ways that Kim remains a functioning neighbor in the community. I've seen her on days when she didn't look well.....and then there are some days when her smile lights up a room....hallmarks of contending with the reap-what-you-sow factor until she can work past it. We should encourage her to hold her head high, she is after all, a child of the Most High God. If you're REALLY interested in getting a handle on that obvious anger issue, then you have to practice what 'He' preaches....not doing that; you lose. Yeah? No kidding? Really? Ya don't say? Atlanta NEEDS a whole lot of mileages. I'm going to be blunt....Madonna once referred to Bay City as a smelly little town (think Pioneer sugar beet plant). Atlanta doesn't stink quiet yet, but she's not far from it. There were many days when I'd avoid Applewood's due to the stench of sewage...and not enough candles to go 'round. How many here can light their water on fire. Methane. So start digging deep, Briley townships' gonna need your few extra bucks to start making the important changes that need to happen here. It's just a reality that can't be ignored for much longer. Maybe we can start a DDA and nab a bunch of free money from all the free money that's floating out there. A Downtown Development Authority's pros far out-weigh the cons, but that's another topic altogether. On another note, did you know that when you use all-caps, it's considered the equivalent of hollering at someone?

Scarlettears wrote:

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Is it really all about the taxpayer's money?....Huum....oh well, guess it's the same everywhere, especially Washington! If it's truly about the taxpayer monies, then it isn't about Kim anymore. It's about who you seat in office....they're the people who make the final decision when it comes to time served, restitution and such. If you don't want this to happen yet again (think Jessica), then look amongst you. Who will serve? I'm relieved in some ways that Kim remains a functioning neighbor in the community. I've seen her on days when she didn't look well.....and then there are some days when her smile lights up a room....hallmarks of contending with the reap-what-you-sow factor until she can work past it. We should encourage her to hold her head high, she is after all, a child of the Most High God. If you're REALLY interested in getting a handle on that obvious anger issue, then you have to practice what 'He' preaches....not doing that; you lose. Yeah? No kidding? Really? Ya don't say? Atlanta NEEDS a whole lot of mileages. I'm going to be blunt....Madonna once referred to Bay City as a smelly little town (think Pioneer sugar beet plant). Atlanta doesn't stink quiet yet, but she's not far from it. There were many days when I'd avoid Applewood's due to the stench of sewage...and not enough candles to go 'round. How many here can light their water on fire. Methane. So start digging deep, Briley townships' gonna need your few extra bucks to start making the important changes that need to happen here. It's just a reality that can't be ignored for much longer. Maybe we can start a DDA and nab a bunch of free money from all the free money that's floating out there. A Downtown Development Authority's pros far out-weigh the cons, but that's another topic altogether. On another note, did you know that when you use all-caps, it's considered the equivalent of hollering at someone?

How did this become an issue of Washington, Bay City, Briley Township and Madonna. I have no personal animosity toward Kim other than she committed a felony and was treated almost as if she was some sort of celebraty. We talk about forgiveness. Do we forgive the person or the act? You are good (at least in this post) of spreading this single activity, embezzlement, into a national tirade. You are correct, it was the prosecution and judicial system which let us down. Unfortunately we don't seem to have too many people willing to put themselves under the dirt slinging oposition of the political game to run for too many offices in the county. I refer to this county because this is where I live. The entreched court house clique is totally supported by the Tribune as its primary water carrier.

So, what exactly is your point. We should forgive Kim so that Madonna will think better of Bay City, the DDA will be adopeted and the corruption in Washington will go away?

jrfan882009 wrote:

I have no faith in the Tribune. They are not a news paper. It is opinion based and most facts and truths are hidden. It is time to start a new paper one that will expose the people for who they are right off the bat. I know I have called and asked them to investigate things before and to my surprise it never happened. They are hiders of the truth and a scam. If they did their job we would know about everyone we elect or that has been placed into an important position. Expose character it is easy.

I have contacted the Tribune in the past to correct or investigate or even report on certain things. Some of the responses that I have received were: If you don't like what we print then start your own paper; We won't write about him because he spends too much money in advertising; If you want to report on the other side of an issue than write a letter to the editor and we might print it.

It isn't time to have another news paper, it's time to get our first news paper. If we actually had a real newspaper I believe the advertisers and subscribers would support it.

just a thought wrote:

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How did this become an issue of Washington, Bay City, Briley Township and Madonna. I have no personal animosity toward Kim other than she committed a felony and was treated almost as if she was some sort of celebraty. We talk about forgiveness. Do we forgive the person or the act? You are good (at least in this post) of spreading this single activity, embezzlement, into a national tirade. You are correct, it was the prosecution and judicial system which let us down. Unfortunately we don't seem to have too many people willing to put themselves under the dirt slinging oposition of the political game to run for too many offices in the county. I refer to this county because this is where I live. The entreched court house clique is totally supported by the Tribune as its primary water carrier.
So, what exactly is your point. We should forgive Kim so that Madonna will think better of Bay City, the DDA will be adopeted and the corruption in Washington will go away?

Correlation only. Corrupt as Washington, smelly as Bay City, and yes...the corruption can go away if we allow those who want to make improvements an opportunity to do so. Kim was treated as a celebrity in the opposite extreme. Using an analogy, Birney Madoff became an over-night sensation for stealing (think Pioneer Sugar, Madonna, and Washington). Would you enjoy such celebrity? Unfortunately you're right...we don't have anyone who wants to step-up-to-the-plate, those who would otherwise be interested, don't want the fight that is associated with that responsibility. That's why I'm such a strong supporter of Brock and Margaret. They're not afraid of goin' against the flow...much to the chagrin of some. We forgive the person...the act falls under the jurisdiction of the laws set forth. God calls us to honor authority and the decisions made by them. They made their decision regarding Kim, and we must honor that.....so Kim needs to move on and so does the rest of those who remain so bitter. How fortunate we are, as Americans, that we can vote in and vote out. If we, as their constituents, are not happy with their decisions? Well....you know what to do. It is unrealistic to think Kim could ever pay back what was taken, that's why I'm an advocate of having her go back to work at the court house. Like I said...there's an opening in the Equalization department....you just move one person from within into Equalization and then place Kim. Pay her the going rate and half of every check goes back where it came from. Probably just wishful thinking on my part. Yes..."national tirade" would be correct. Would you say that Washington is a healthy, honest, place where our law-makers would never dream of becoming law breakers? You've heard the old cliche "shit runs down-hill"? If they're breaking laws and covering up in Washington, then dishonest, deceitful behaviors are prevalent all the way down the hill into the small communities. If the big boys and girls can get away with it, then so can the little boys and girls. And tirade away....that's what the Occupy Wall Street gang are doing...guess I can too. "So, what exactly is your point. We should forgive Kim so that Madonna will think better of Bay City, the DDA will be adopted and the corruption in Washington will go away"? Yeah....kinda-sorta....point being if we forgive Kim, displace those who are of questionable decision making....then those who live in neighboring communities will think better of us, and the DDA will change the face of Atlanta and bring an end to local corruption....who knows, maybe good people doing good things will charge up Washington Hill and take our country back. Now, if you'll excuse me...I have to go re-enforce my soap box.:)

just a thought wrote:

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I have contacted the Tribune in the past to correct or investigate or even report on certain things. Some of the responses that I have received were: If you don't like what we print then start your own paper; We won't write about him because he spends too much money in advertising; If you want to report on the other side of an issue than write a letter to the editor and we might print it.
It isn't time to have another news paper, it's time to get our first news paper. If we actually had a real newspaper I believe the advertisers and subscribers would support it.

Ditto.

Scarlettears wrote:

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Is it really all about the taxpayer's money?....Huum....oh well, guess it's the same everywhere, especially Washington! If it's truly about the taxpayer monies, then it isn't about Kim anymore. It's about who you seat in office....they're the people who make the final decision when it comes to time served, restitution and such. If you don't want this to happen yet again (think Jessica), then look amongst you. Who will serve? I'm relieved in some ways that Kim remains a functioning neighbor in the community. I've seen her on days when she didn't look well.....and then there are some days when her smile lights up a room....hallmarks of contending with the reap-what-you-sow factor until she can work past it. We should encourage her to hold her head high, she is after all, a child of the Most High God. If you're REALLY interested in getting a handle on that obvious anger issue, then you have to practice what 'He' preaches....not doing that; you lose. Yeah? No kidding? Really? Ya don't say? Atlanta NEEDS a whole lot of mileages. I'm going to be blunt....Madonna once referred to Bay City as a smelly little town (think Pioneer sugar beet plant). Atlanta doesn't stink quiet yet, but she's not far from it. There were many days when I'd avoid Applewood's due to the stench of sewage...and not enough candles to go 'round. How many here can light their water on fire. Methane. So start digging deep, Briley townships' gonna need your few extra bucks to start making the important changes that need to happen here. It's just a reality that can't be ignored for much longer. Maybe we can start a DDA and nab a bunch of free money from all the free money that's floating out there. A Downtown Development Authority's pros far out-weigh the cons, but that's another topic altogether. On another note, did you know that when you use all-caps, it's considered the equivalent of hollering at someone?

Yes, it is about the taxpayers monies that Kim Dobbyn STOLE!! Who else is going to step to the plate and say that they did it and not Kim? NOBODY!! As to FOPRGIVENESS the BIBLE says WE MUST FORGIVE in order for OUR FATHER in HEAVEN to FORGIVE US.... What I want to know is do we "just sweep it under the rug?" Or do we DEMAND repayment and a FORMAL APOLOGY! YES the JUDICIAL SYSTEM HAS FAILED YET AGAIN in Montmorency COUNTY, as I said had it been someone with a NON-AFFLUENT name would they have been AFFORDED the same sentence that Kim Dobbyn got? Not staying in the Montmorency County Jail but staying at Wind-Sands Hotel, be allowed to have their family there, go swimming, eat out (not have to eat jail food, not have the option of sleeping on a JAIL BED, be LIMITED in your travels,have someone in your personal business all the time, ectera, ectera, ectera!! But because she has a VERY PROMINENT name she was ALLOWED to do whatever she wanted! Like I asked "How many nights did she (Kim) actually stay at the Montmorency County Jail?" As for this other person that has been accused of "EMBEZZLEMENT" did she take HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of DOLLARS? Is she being given the same treatment that was AFFORDED Kim Dobbyn, is this other person going to have to report to the Michigan Department of Corrections and have her picture taken, and have to serve time in a REAL PRISON? If it is good for one then EVERYONE accused of EMBEZZLEMENT in Montmorency County should be treated the way that Kim Dobbyn has been!!