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I am tired of the Herrin Jr Football league acting like they are some pro college league. We pay money for our kids to play and they only play who they feel are the best. I am not allowing my son to even play this year because he was so upset to many times last year when they wouldn't play him but a little bit each game. He is a good player and I paid the same as every other kid but that don't seem to matter to the coaches. They wonder why kids end up in gangs and on drugs...well maybe it's because no one gave them a chance in anything else. It just makes me mad and I thought I would see if anyone else had the same feeling.
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I agree with you 100%. It's a shame the HJFL can't let the kids play a game of football without trying to make themselves look like there some awesome coaches.If it weren't for the kids they would be nothing anyway. But they've been that way for years and I don't think they will ever change. It's just ashame for the kids.
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Jul 23, 2007
 
This is our first year for our son playing on the JR high team but I heard rumors about last year. I also know who is in charge of this and if my son don't get played, maybe I'll go play some tackle football with him. It's not all about winning or loosing, it's about the kids having fun playing a game. If they think they are training them for high school there wrong, they are training them to quit because they don't want to play bench ball. In high school you don't play money and this league you have to pay and all should be played fair!!
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#4
Jul 26, 2007
 
This is recreational league. If kids pay money to play, they should get significant playing time. I am not saying that they should should get equal playing time, that would be difficult to do. However, kids that do not show up to practice or those that do not follow the rules should understand that it should affect their playing time. On the other hand, junior high is the age that kids need to understand that there are others who are better than them at a specific skill and that they have to work at it to get better. There is a fine line that has to be walked at this age. Coaches also need to understand that they are not going to be elected to the hall of fame or earn big contracts for winning the SIJFBL. Let the kids have fun and learn the game of football!!! The league is not for adults, it is for the kids.
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Ok i 100% disagree with you. fed up doesnt know a thing about football he is just some father that thinks his son is the shit and really his son sucks so bad that coachs dont put him in to keep from making the kid look bad. This league is to prepare the kids for high school football the JR high league runs the same offense and defence as the high school to PREPARE the kids for high school and guess what not all the kids get to play in high school only people that are good get to play so if your kid sucks and didnt get to play in middle shcool and u dont want to be upset either work with him to get him better or tell the kid not to play. Stop being crybady fagits and trying to coach the team they have coachs that know what there doing and understand that there not going to get a contract but that are hired to win and yes u heard me there HIRED dumass's. So if they put the kids who they need in there to win. So next time before u guys or girls want to badmounth someone actually know what ur talking about before u decided to do it.
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Jul 26, 2007
 
I sure hope that "some1 who knows football" is not one of Herrin's coaches (or one of its English teachers). D-E-F-E-N-S-E is spelled with an "s", not a "c" (defence). How can you teach it if you do not even know how to spell it. You must not know that much about it.
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"yes u heard me there HIRED dumass's".
Why would they hire dum@$$es to coach? That is not what Herrin needs in its football program..
And by the way, you need to know this, there is a "b" between dum and @$$. DUMB@$$
I do agree that junior high kids need to learn how to win. But, kids at that age have a lot of maturing and growing to do. Teach all of the kids how to play the game - not just the big and strong kids. No one knows who will be the "stud" in football in 4 or 5 years.
I did not know that Herrin hired its junior football coaches. How much do they pay?
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Jul 26, 2007
 
My kid is playing for the Jr high team this year. Even though its just practice so far, there has been no show of favoritism. They only thing that bothers me, is this page. I don't usually comment on things but this one bugs me. What if one of our kids read this page. Every comment if full of negativity. Either someone is mouthing the coaches or downing the kids. I am going to request that this page be deleted.
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Jul 26, 2007
 
Two things, the first one is to (samples), I ask that you not try to get this page deleted until you give people a chance to respond to the comment made by (1 who knows football). And to 1 who knows football, I know exactly what I'm talking about. You must not have a kid who plays football in Herrin if you did you would know what we are talking about. You probably don't even have kids at all and if you do, I feel sorry for them to have a parent that is that discusting!!!!You said if they aint good enough dont let them play,,well my kid is not playing this year and its not because he is not good enough cause he is very good its because I'm not going to let him play for a bunch of idiots!!!! He will never play for Herrin..Im not saying he wont play somewhere. You are a disgrace and your opinion is pathetic.
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Jul 27, 2007
 
First, the coaches dont get paid a dime. They donate their time. The coaches are their for the kids to teach them blocking, tackling tech., positions on the field, formation, numbers of the holes, foot work(QB's), taking handoffs, passing and ect. Second, im sure that ever parent thinks that their child should play more or they r the best player on the team. Whether they r or not. This league is a very strong. Third, u as being a coach will not make ever parent happy. It will be 50/50. Fourth, if u r not happy with the program then dont play. But for some parents they would rather sit back and bitch about it. Then all i have to say is put your shoes on and donate your time on the field. Fifth, u dont have a clue what it takes to coach. I know the herrin coachs and they do a great job.The coaches dont think they are going to be in the hall of fame. Maybe u are just a little jealous. The program has been very good. That program has been greatly beneficial to the high school program. Sixth, if you want to bad mouth these poeple then dont hide behind these fake names. Put your real name but of couse u are the same one that want to bitch about it. So u dont have the F$#king Balls to say who u r. Because u r afriad that someone will confront u. So shut the hell up or sign your real name first and last.
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Jul 27, 2007
 
This is a real issue in Herrin, but also in all towns in southern illinois and elsewere. Competition is all around us. If you dont like paying money for the chance for your child to play a sport and start then dont. Dont give them any chances in life, choices or decissions to make. And you will have the most screwed up adult the world has ever seen. Enough of my parenting rant, on to the Herrin Youth League football program.#1 Coaches should not be decided based on the fact that their buddy is already a coach or that they are a Cop in herrin.#2 There is 4 levels to the Youth league, first/second grade flag, third/fourth grade flag, fifth/sixth grade tackle and 7/8 grade tackle. The first 3 levels say very clearly that you pay and you play all children get a "Starting Position". The 7/8 grade tackle program is not that way nor is it implied that your child will have a starting position or play at all. Lets face facts if all kids got to play at all levels in the youth program especially the 7/8 grade tackle program the team would not be a successfull as it has been the last 10 years kids would not want to play on a team that did not win, they would not try. Did you catch that last statement "Try". In high school some of these kids have a good shot at Scholarships and grants based on their ability to play a sport. Lets take that away from them too then. All kids out of school whether they have played that sport or not deserve the same thing/money for school. NOT, the ones who get it earned it based on the blood sweat and tears shed for the love of their game. At the high school level Football makes the school and the program money to continue to buy equipment for future players, but bad play means no attendance, means no money. Get with reality please. If your kid does not start dont get mad in front of the kid, they will never want to try again, mommy and daddy understands that the system is against them so why should they try. Always support your child please and never let them stop their efforts to be better than they were. I have children who play at 3 different levels right now in the school system, I have coached in the youth league for years now, 1,2,3,4,5,6 levels. I live to see the kids learning respect for the game and most especially each other.#3 If you want to get mad at the Youth program in Herrin lets start by making rules for the board,#1 no family members of existing members should be allowed to be added.#2 Board members should be voted in by the Coaches at all 4 levels, majority wins based on nominations with the ability to write in a candidate's name.#3 A max term in office like 2 years #4 only 7 total board members counting the tie braker voter the board president. Next on the agenda, coaches on the tackle programs should have experience in the league eg.. flag coach or 5/6 tackle coach, not Herrin cop, or board members brother. Also if a coach cannot conduct themselves with law abiding order in their private lives then I do not want them coaching my child, Here is one example without naming names One of the Jr. High coaches got a DUI 3 months ago, 1 is on Permenant disability on Our tax dollars but can coach football, 4 coaches are all cops at the same department and all friends, 2 more have never coached at any level in our youth program before yet are allowed to come out and teach our kids about sportsmanship and football, And the best of all 2 of the coaches never even played football in school yet get to coach. Its time to voice your opinion
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Jul 27, 2007
 
some1 who knows football wrote:
Ok i 100% disagree with you. fed up doesnt know a thing about football he is just some father that thinks his son is the shit and really his son sucks so bad that coachs dont put him in to keep from making the kid look bad. This league is to prepare the kids for high school football the JR high league runs the same offense and defence as the high school to PREPARE the kids for high school and guess what not all the kids get to play in high school only people that are good get to play so if your kid sucks and didnt get to play in middle shcool and u dont want to be upset either work with him to get him better or tell the kid not to play. Stop being crybady fagits and trying to coach the team they have coachs that know what there doing and understand that there not going to get a contract but that are hired to win and yes u heard me there HIRED dumass's. So if they put the kids who they need in there to win. So next time before u guys or girls want to badmounth someone actually know what ur talking about before u decided to do it.
Where did u play bro???You need to learn to spell before you post anymore comments.
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#12
Jul 28, 2007
 
Well i stop back by and see that people are still mouthing. To u short and sweet all the coaches have played the game at one time or another. There is only three cops which both has played for very good programs. One that has moved on to the high school level, one thats a teacher and came from a good program, one that had played back in the 70's for Bruce and has coach there from the beginning and coaches basketball. Another that has coached at all level of baseball legion succussful and junior high basketball and sotball and football which he has been very successful at. Anther that has been inducted into the high school hall of fame that step down and i could go on and on. The program has alot of knowledge of the game. Like i said u should leave these coaches along so they can do their job or step up and put your name to your forum or get out on the field and lets check your coaching skills out!!!!!!
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Jul 28, 2007
 
Why are you all doing this? How old are all of you? Lets get right to the point. ASK the coach why your child is not playing? Maybe your child does not want to play but is doing it because he thought he might like it or you wanted him to play I dont know but the child is out there and if you are not happy go to the coach instead of mouthing to anyone that will listen to you. I cant beleive the comments you adults have posted on here. Do you talk like this in front of your child. That might be the problem right there. Talk to the coach you may not like what is said but you will know why. Maybe the coach can help you help your child by giving you the information or tool to being a better football player. Maybe your child does not want to play? I have been on BOTH sides. One child did not get to play as much as he or I would liked but you know what he liked the game so he stayed and tried to learn more and by his senior year he was starting. I have 2 that played all the time. I asked one I think he made 4 touch downs that night how he felt. "I feel the same" "It wasnt just me I had a whole team helping me." Think about this NO ONE will remember how many touch downs your child scored in one game or thru out high school only you will. Now on the other hand what my children go off and do in life they will be remembered. And only you the Parent can set that goal. If they get upset and quit then you as the Parent needs to step in and find something they do like. I they drop out of school it would not be Herrin Youth Football fault it would be the parents and no one to blame but yourself. As far as telling each other you do not know how to spell that just makes me wonder are you perfect?? Maybe a key was missed stroked. If you do not like who is on the board. Go to meetings. They are open to the public. The board meeting is ran just like a town meeting but when voting happens just like the school board they go into executive status. If you dont like that start up your own league. Maybe you can do a better job but you should try it first. I hope I have covered the importnat issue here and not who has the most money, who knows who, I think that there is a little of that thru out the world. But before you sound off to anyone that will listen try doing it first then make comments. One thing I do not understand why do you parents set out there and watch practice?? Do you not have a real life? Or is it that this is your life and you are trying to re-live it thru your child? Give the kids and the coaches a break Go shopping why they practice. You let them go to the movies is there a web site where we bash them? If I was the coach I would have CLOSED practice. That might keep the hen house from cackling all the time. I can tell by reading your postings I dont like you.
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Jul 28, 2007
 
Queen, in response to your comment about parents watching there kids practice....YES, I have a life and its called my kids. We are not out there starting any trouble we are involved in our kids lives. I think more parents should be involved with there kids!!! Yes, we do love football so we want to be involved with it as much as possible. We know some kids are better than others and some will have chances at scholarships and I don't expect them not to play them, but just don't forget about the other kids that are busting there butts practicing. Hopefully there won't be a problem with that I'm just referring to some of the comments that were made. I have put my name on here and my last name on the previous comment.
My son knows he can do all thing through Jesus Christ. Everyone on this page needs to go watch the movie (Facing the Giants)...and comment me back and let me know how you liked it..
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Jul 28, 2007
 
First of all I am totally disgusted by how much everyone thinks they know. I have been involved in the Herrin Youth Program in one capacity or another for years. My kids have been thru this program and I have also coached in this program for years. I am also a parent who has lived the my child starts and my child sits on the bench. One thing people need to understand is there is always someone out there better than you (including your child). The child should be encouraged to continue working hard and even harder. Set goals, if someone is faster than you make your goal to be faster than the other person then find someone faster. Kids today have become lazy and they do not know how to set goals. We have become a society of everyone should be equal. Well everyone is not equal in all ways. We have been told to tell our kids how well they did even if they did aweful. Tell your kids you did good at this but we need to work on that. Do not be a backseat coach but ask the coach what can I do to help my kid and what do you see the problem as. As a coach I love parents to ask how can I help my kid improve. When I coach I have always hated the struggle of trying to find a position for a child without talent or who are extremely small. I have always tried to find a postion where they would not get hurt, could learn the position & could gain confidence in the process. Please understand that these kids will lose skills but gain others. Also understand that the kid may not really want to work hard or may not really like the sport. A coach also does not like a child who is mouthy, does not pay attention or is not dedicated. All three things makes it bad for the coach and the team. It is truely not fair to the players who work their butts off and truely love the sport. Parents also please remember that your children are not you, all genes do not get passed on. Cont.
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Jul 28, 2007
 
As far as the Jr. High coaches Lindell Hatley has moved onto the high school level. Way to go Lindell. I do not know if David , Shawn or Jimmy ever played football. Wayne Fortner is the equipment manager and I am not sure about McGee. There is another newer coach and I am not sure about him other than he is a Herrin Police Officer. I am not sure what David (new head coach) does but Lindell & Shawn are dispatchers, Darrell Walker is on disablilty & Jimmy is a postman. As far as the board is concerned it is mainly conprised of friends and family members. Last time I checked there was not a full board and there were no plans to fill the positions. As far as attending board meetings goes I have had many people inquire in the past however noone ever seems to know when or where the meetings are. Coaches should always be informed of the board meetings and there should always be a report of how funds are being utilitzed. There should never be a question as to where the money goes and never a question as to whether it is all accounted for. I do agree with one commentor that board members should be changed periodically and officers should be changed as well. I agree coaches should also have a say in board members and officers. Now more on coaches; Coaches should always be responsible, well respected, law abiding role models. Coaches should never be seen running the bars, getting DUI's, seen partying it up after games, talking about how drunk they got the night before or cussing up a storm in front of the kids. Coaches deserve the respect of their and should be seen as role models at all levels. I would like to know what coach was inducted into the hall of fame. I have not heard this and it is interesting. It is true that the coaching staff is a very tight knit bunch. It is full of family and friends. I do not believe it is right to add members to the coaching staff that have never coached at the younger levels. I do think coaches should be advanced from the lower levels they like the kids that played deserve to move up as well. I do believe football is a rough sport and the players are expected to indure alot. They will certainly see it on the field and the other teams will not show any mercy and they do not care what mommy thinks. I do not however condone thowing a football at a childs head for not paying attention, this has gone on by one of the coaches in the past and continues to this date. Like I said earlier do not be a backseat coach, however be aware of who is coaching your child but be fair. There are coaches out there who are only in it for their child and there are some who just may not like your child, however there may be a reason for it. Be aware but be fair. No one thinks there child is any better than the parent. The purpose of the jr. league is to introduce the basics of the game while gradually teaching more advanced aspects of the game, including safety. 1st/2nd grade flag is a introduction and safety level, 3rd/4th flag gets alittle rougher but alittle more advanced, 5th/6th is a introduction to tackle skills/safety while advancing in prior learned skills and 7th/8th is advanced tackle/safety while preparing for high school levels. Remember we no longer live in the days of tryouts, therefore your child is on the team but it doesn't mean they have skills. Skills most often can be developed in time but not always and remember there is no shame in scout team. Scout has a very important purpose. All coaches in the Herrin Youth league are volunteer, they are NOT paid this includes the Jr. High coaches. Cont.
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Jul 28, 2007
 
Herrin has always been full of "clicks" and "stars". By limiting a board or coaching staff to friends, family and co-workers you deny the opportunity for others very qualified to share. The "stars" issue causes all kinds of problems. I get so tired of the same names in the papers, coaches saying we have to have --, players saying we can't do it without --, "stars" thinking the team is nothing without them, etc.. Most sports particularly football is a team sport. No one postion can do it all. There is no I or ME in TEAM and until Herrin learns this we will never have a 1st place state team which is all schools/teams goal like it or not. If your child likes sports but is not a team player put them in an individualized sport like swimming, tennis, wrestling, etc.. They will figure out how good they really are and so will the parents. I personally do not want my child to be a "star". Look at one of Herrins "stars" from acouple years ago. Congradulations for being accepted to play for the Saluki's but how many busses were missed for away games and now you have been kicked off the team for what? Talented yes but to cocky, irresponsible and hot headed. As far as parents going to practice, I always loved parents who cared about their kids enough to sit in the heat/cold, stay at a long practice after a hard days work and encourage their kid/team, make friends with other parents and watch their child so they could help them at home in order to help them improve. Again I say be aware but fair. Go to practice see if your child is really participating or are they just saying they are, is your child being disrespectful to players/coaches, is there really a problem or does your child really not want to play, what does your kid need to do to improve, etc.. Look back on past events are you judging fairly and are you judging everyone including the child? Sorry if there are any typos! I do sincerely mean for this post to be fair, like I said I have been on both sides of the fence and I have been around for a very long time.Finally, teach your child to learn more than one position, do not limit themselves and just because someone else gets a postion your child wants doesn't mean they can't take the position away. Learn the position, learn the mistakes, make the corrections, turn it on a practice and show the coaches who is better. Coaches will pay attention to improvemenst and they do make changes. Also remember there is no shame in a bad games day as long as you don't pout, learn the mistakes and make the corrections. Always play to the end no matter the score, play like winners to the end. It's not over until it's over.
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Jul 28, 2007
 
First of all I am totally disgusted by how much everyone thinks they know. I have been involved in the Herrin Youth Program in one capacity or another for years. My kids have been thru this program and I have also coached in this program for years. I am also a parent who has lived the my child starts and my child sits on the bench. One thing people need to understand is there is always someone out there better than you (including your child). The child should be encouraged to continue working hard and even harder. Set goals, if someone is faster than you make your goal to be faster than the other person then find someone faster. Kids today have become lazy and they do not know how to set goals. We have become a society of everyone should be equal. Well everyone is not equal in all ways. We have been told to tell our kids how well they did even if they did aweful. Tell your kids you did good at this but we need to work on that. Do not be a backseat coach but ask the coach what can I do to help my kid and what do you see the problem as. As a coach I love parents to ask how can I help my kid improve. When I coach I have always hated the struggle of trying to find a position for a child without talent or who are extremely small. I have always tried to find a postion where they would not get hurt, could learn the position & could gain confidence in the process. Please understand that these kids will lose skills but gain others. Also understand that the kid may not really want to work hard or may not really like the sport. A coach also does not like a child who is mouthy, does not pay attention or is not dedicated. All three things makes it bad for the coach and the team. It is truely not fair to the players who work their butts off and truely love the sport. Parents also please remember that your children are not you, all genes do not get passed on.
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Jul 28, 2007
 
As far as the Jr. High coaches Lindell Hatley has moved onto the high school level. Way to go Lindell. I do not know if David , Shawn or Jimmy ever played football. Wayne Fortner is the equipment manager and I am not sure about McGee. There is another newer coach and I am not sure about him other than he is a Herrin Police Officer. I am not sure what David (new head coach) does but Lindell & Shawn are dispatchers, Darrell Walker is on disablilty & Jimmy is a postman. As far as the board is concerned it is mainly conprised of friends and family members. Last time I checked there was not a full board and there were no plans to fill the positions. As far as attending board meetings goes I have had many people inquire in the past however noone ever seems to know when or where the meetings are. Coaches should always be informed of the board meetings and there should always be a report of how funds are being utilitzed. There should never be a question as to where the money goes and never a question as to whether it is all accounted for. I do agree with one commentor that board members should be changed periodically and officers should be changed as well. I agree coaches should also have a say in board members and officers. Now more on coaches; Coaches should always be responsible, well respected, law abiding role models. Coaches should never be seen running the bars, getting DUI's, seen partying it up after games, talking about how drunk they got the night before or cussing up a storm in front of the kids. Coaches deserve the respect of their and should be seen as role models at all levels. I would like to know what coach was inducted into the hall of fame. I have not heard this and it is interesting. It is true that the coaching staff is a very tight knit bunch. It is full of family and friends. I do not believe it is right to add members to the coaching staff that have never coached at the younger levels. I do think coaches should be advanced from the lower levels they like the kids that played deserve to move up as well. I do believe football is a rough sport and the players are expected to indure alot. They will certainly see it on the field and the other teams will not show any mercy and they do not care what mommy thinks. I do not however condone thowing a football at a childs head for not paying attention, this has gone on by one of the coaches in the past and continues to this date. Like I said earlier do not be a backseat coach, however be aware of who is coaching your child but be fair. There are coaches out there who are only in it for their child and there are some who just may not like your child, however there may be a reason for it. Be aware but be fair. No one thinks there child is any better than the parent. The purpose of the jr. league is to introduce the basics of the game while gradually teaching more advanced aspects of the game, including safety. 1st/2nd grade flag is a introduction and safety level, 3rd/4th flag gets alittle rougher but alittle more advanced, 5th/6th is a introduction to tackle skills/safety while advancing in prior learned skills and 7th/8th is advanced tackle/safety while preparing for high school levels. Remember we no longer live in the days of tryouts, therefore your child is on the team but it doesn't mean they have skills. Skills most often can be developed in time but not always and remember there is no shame in scout team. Scout has a very important purpose. All coaches in the Herrin Youth league are volunteer, they are NOT paid this includes the Jr. High coaches.

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