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Send them home.
Enforce the constitution and the laws on the books.
created by: send them home | Dec 22, 2011
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Send them home. Enforce the constitution and the laws on the books. |
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1 Wouldn't it be great if such complex problems had such simplistic black and white solutions? The problem is that not every illegal alien is here under identical circumstances and not all are a "drain on our economy" and "leeches on our resources". Enforcing the constitution might allow them to stay depending on how it is interpreted. Though many think "We the People of the United States," refers to legal citizens only, the Supreme Court has taken a different view on many occasions. Section 1 of the 14th Amendment reads: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Read the last line carefully, "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." It says "ANY person". It does not say "citizen". That is why the Supreme Court and other lower courts have so often provided protections to illegal aliens. It's not always just a simple matter of "Send them home". |
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2 Thank you for the ACLU version.......... |
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It is the legal reality and the ACLU had nothing to do with writing the constitution. The ACLU merely puts forth arguments and the courts interpret the constitution. Your rebuttal shows a very narrow view of the world. Are you saying that the writers of the constitution were NOT talking about ANY person in the last line of Section 1 in the 14th Amendment? Your glib reply does noting to clarify the points. You seem to be attempting to cast aspersions on the ACLU. So it is all so simple for you? Then here is a simple question you should be able to answer easily. It's a true/false question. True or false: All men are strong all women are weak? It's a simple question. There should be a simple up or down answer given your simplistic view of the world. So let's hear it. What say you? True or false? |
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Who can determine the meaning behind the use of "person" in the mind of someone of the 18th certury. You are debating something that can be said that you both are right (or wrong). I suggest that the burden on the taxpayer is too great for us to take on every person unwilling or unable to work - either legal or illegal. If you want to help, go ahead and send your money to a charity or adopt a illegal alien. Spend your money, not mine.
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The call the constitution a "living document" for a reason. You are absolutely correct in that the definitions and determinations are ours to make. We decide what kind of society we will live in. Will it be compassionate or cruel? If tragedy happens to befall you and your family is it your problem despite the fact that we call ourselves "civilized"?. If a tornado wipes out your home and in the process injures you and your wife so that you are unable to fend for your young children, should society let them starve or grow up in destitute poverty? It is up to us to decide the sort of society we want. It sounds as if you may have been duped into believing that as a society we are unable to support the less fortunate among us. Yes, there are limits to what people can do for one another. But with some in society siphoning off outrageous amounts of the wealth created by labor of the rest of us and walking away with obscene sums for doing nothing but exploiting others, I think we can figure out a way to adjust the system to help more at the bottom rungs. But if you want to have a law of the jungle kind of society where the quick and the strong are the only winners, well then let's go for it! But let's get rid of all the rules because right now, the rules are only designed to protect those that have. If we are going to live by the laws of nature, please remove all the rules of man. Allow the strong among the poor to take what they need from the rich as they see fit and if the rich cannot stop them, then that is their problem. It seems that many people only want rules or laws that help them. They regard the rules or laws that help others are an impediment to their own goals or desires. They want the lines drawn so that they are on the beneficial side of the line. So what is it going to be? A society or anarchy? If you choose society then start thinking about being social and look at the world through the eyes of others instead of being so egocentric. |
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IMHO We are supposed to be a nation of laws. We are all supposed to abide by the rule of law. The intent of this is to replace and reduce the law of the jungle. Our nation has a system, put in place by our representatives, wherein we pay taxes and we can draw from the common pot on an as agreed to basis (social security) or need (welfare, medicare/aid)--social safety net. Illegal aliens break a law by breaking into our country--signaling no respect for our system of laws. They then take advantage of our social safety net. Some of us receive the benefit of reduced costs for illegal alien labor. But everyone pays higher taxes to cover their costs, or we as a nation and state, borrow to cover those costs. When this latter burden gets to the point where legitimate citizens are sacrificing to pay the taxes to support illegal aliens, and even forgo having children at least in part because of this burden, a grave injustice to those taxpayers occurs, and they deserve redress, the beginning of which we are now seeing. Perhaps as fair compensation the US should seize some portion of Mexico's offshore oil region as compensation for the burden of Mexican citizens on us. |
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1 As it is, I happen to agree with you. However, I wonder who is more at fault,, those who break the law, or those who openly allow the laws to be broken and not enforcing them. We elect our officials to make the law, our police and judges to enforce the law, and it seems the whole system is ignoring the law. Maybe we should send those who ingnore the law, back with those who break the law. This has to end. |
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As long as the immigrants provide cheap labor that can be exploited to the benefit of the rich, you will never get rid of the illegal immigrant problem. Since the politics in America is run by the rich for the rich, as has been for the last 30 years, we will not see an end to the illegal immigrant problem. Even the rich politicians use illegal immigrant labor when it helps them keep more money. But we poor dupes at the bottom are also somewhat complicit since we vote for these jerks and we also buy their products made with that cheap labor. When you talk about it in a realistic way, it sounds very negative but there really isn't much chance of things changing. The rich have most of the wealth of the nation at their disposal now and they use it to pay for a lot of propaganda that far too many in the working classes are willing to believe. They have convinced a lot of people that all unions are corrupt. They have convinced a lot of people that those who earn minimum wage are getting what they deserve and that 10 or 12 dollars an hour is more money that most people deserve. They have convinced a lot of people that the rich create all the jobs and that taxing them would kill off even more jobs. They have convinced a lot of people that government cannot do anything well and that corporations are run with perfection. All of that propaganda is false. But when many people hear something often enough, they believe it despite evidence to the contrary. And when some people "believe" something, it is almost impossible to change those beliefs. As long as someone keeps reinforcing their false beliefs, they will not let go no matter how much evidence they are shown that refutes those beliefs. |
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You need to read more carefully. You clearly missed all the points made. It looks like you lost this gameshow. |
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You didn't make any points, you just prattled on like a twit.
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Saint Louis, MO |
The reason you feel that way is due to your lack of intelligence and poor reading comprehension. |
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Coquitlam, Canada |
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OK, "Absolutely" (why don't you use your name like I do?) if youbeleived I have been "duped" into thinking that a person, and non-citizen should get benefits from my income, then you are duped. The sick and disabled are another matter but the able bodied people should be able to, eventually, find a paying position rather than staying on the dole for years and years. I, for one, am ashamed of our country for allowing so many people to live off of the taxes of working people. Again, I am NOT talking about the disable or the aged. I am talking about the wealfare cheats and the "the folks that just can't find a job".
Look to history, the chineese were imported a virtual slaves. When they were "release from servitute" they made a living for themseleves by providing services to the community. Is that what are unemployed of today do? Answer that one big boy. |
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The reason is do not use my real name is because unlike you, I realize there are people in the world who are irrational. But you likely do not notice because you are irrational too. You clearly feel that there are too many "welfare cheats". That is more a problem with your personal perception than with the realities of the systems of welfare. Are you on a similar crusade because of tax cheats? What about people that cut into lines? How about bad drivers? I suppose you are perfect in every way and never ever make mistakes or use anything to YOUR benefit. Get real. A lot of welfare recipients are American working people and white, studies have found that vendors committed over 90% of welfare fraud. But you have been propagandized into believing that amount of money going to few unscrupulous recipients is the BIG problem. Welfare vendors fraud is a the real problem but even that it is a small problem compared to the cost to American taxpayers that is the result of military fraud and corporate welfare. The Savings and Loan bailout alone cost $132 billion. You seem to get emotionally wrapped up in small issues that are used to distract you from the real problems. I am not surprised you use your real name. It shows the lack of attention you are paying to the facts and the big picture. Using your real name here to post the kind of poorly conceived irrational ramblings I have seen from you is an example of poor judgment that is as unwise as kids who post on their Facebook page how much beer they chug-a-lugged at a party or details of their sex lives. |
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I do not need to hide behind a phony name. I can take care of myself and if not, I know a few police officers. I also have a CCW permit. Vietnam era veteran. I have no problem handling idiots like ..........
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Wow full of crap and in possession of a little pecker. Bad combination I'm afraid Mr. French. |
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