State of Shutdown: Lakeville's Nonprofits Being Affected

Jul 6, 2011 Full story: Patch.com 24

Thus far, Lakeville has seen relatively little impact from the state shutdown. But sadly, as time moves forward nonprofits stand to lose a lot if the shutdown persists.

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Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#22 Jul 10, 2011
Dat Tru wrote:
<quoted text>Surly you jest! The head of many non-profits make half a million to over a million dollars a year. And, Government oversight is a joke. Also, when government money is funneled through a religious charity they are bound by the separation of church and state guidelines. That's why the Catholic adoption agencies stopped taking government money, they were forced to adopt to gay couples.
You are just stupid, only a handful of nonprofits can afford directors making that much money, most don't even have budgets that big! Most highly paid nonprofit CEOs are in the health care industry. But by law, the board of directors makes no money at all, how often does that happen in a for profit situation (never). So you just plain LIED on the first point.

You couldn't even comprehend the second point. The state does not tax the church because that would interfere with the church's sovereignty. Because the church itself is not a charitable organization, a church in the most part is a social organization. Most social organizations do not qualify for 501c3 status, but for the reason stated above the church has enjoyed the 501c3 status. A 501c3 status is one where donations to the organization are tax deductible, there are social organizations that are non for profit but don't qualify as a charity and therefore are not 501c3 organizations. The church does not have a mission like, building houses for the poor, like Habitat for Humanity does. The church may decide to offer volunteers a couple times a year for Habitat for Humanity, but that is not defined in their mission nor does it make them Habitat for Humanity and therefore the church itself is not a charity. Many churches have created charitable arms that actually provide services. Many of the charitable arms that provide services do receive money from the government and therefore have to abide by the rules of the government as in example you showed above.

Now, I'm going to drift off a point a moment. All 501c3 charitable organizations, except perhaps churches, have to limit politicking or risk losing their 501c3 status. There is not a legal exemption for churches in this matter, it however much too rarely enforced for political reasons. This is a shame because the state has decided not to interfere with the church(s) by not taxing them therefore preserving their sovereignty while the church is not offering the state the same respect by staying out of politics.

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#23 Jul 10, 2011
Truth wrote:
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You are just stupid, only a handful of nonprofits can afford directors making that much money, most don't even have budgets that big! Most highly paid nonprofit CEOs are in the health care industry. But by law, the board of directors makes no money at all, how often does that happen in a for profit situation (never). So you just plain LIED on the first point.
You couldn't even comprehend the second point. The state does not tax the church because that would interfere with the church's sovereignty. Because the church itself is not a charitable organization, a church in the most part is a social organization. Most social organizations do not qualify for 501c3 status, but for the reason stated above the church has enjoyed the 501c3 status. A 501c3 status is one where donations to the organization are tax deductible, there are social organizations that are non for profit but don't qualify as a charity and therefore are not 501c3 organizations. The church does not have a mission like, building houses for the poor, like Habitat for Humanity does. The church may decide to offer volunteers a couple times a year for Habitat for Humanity, but that is not defined in their mission nor does it make them Habitat for Humanity and therefore the church itself is not a charity. Many churches have created charitable arms that actually provide services. Many of the charitable arms that provide services do receive money from the government and therefore have to abide by the rules of the government as in example you showed above.
Now, I'm going to drift off a point a moment. All 501c3 charitable organizations, except perhaps churches, have to limit politicking or risk losing their 501c3 status. There is not a legal exemption for churches in this matter, it however much too rarely enforced for political reasons. This is a shame because the state has decided not to interfere with the church(s) by not taxing them therefore preserving their sovereignty while the church is not offering the state the same respect by staying out of politics.
To use your words: You are just stupid.

Bill Kling, one of very many that use non-profits for personal enrichment.

Hmmmm...isn't he a big time Liberal? Why, yes he is.
Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#24 Jul 10, 2011
IrishMN wrote:
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To use your words: You are just stupid.
Bill Kling, one of very many that use non-profits for personal enrichment.
Hmmmm...isn't he a big time Liberal? Why, yes he is.
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And your point is? That's right you have none. You cling to Kling for an example for someone working for a non-profit, lame. You should be ashamed to hate and wanting to defund the non-profit sector. Most the people that work at non-profits to help the disabled, feed the poor, to aid the abused, help the sick etc. get paid less for it than if the worked in the private sector. For 99% of the people in the non-profit sector could probably get paid more elsewhere. To work at a non-profit is to become non-profit.

As for Kling he was a ruthless business man, who happened to work for and created a nonprofit. His ruthlessness elsewhere in the business community would be revered. By the way he no longer runs MPR, but it's great that he did otherwise we would just have right wing corporate media running everything.

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#25 Jul 11, 2011
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
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And your point is? That's right you have none. You cling to Kling for an example for someone working for a non-profit, lame. You should be ashamed to hate and wanting to defund the non-profit sector. Most the people that work at non-profits to help the disabled, feed the poor, to aid the abused, help the sick etc. get paid less for it than if the worked in the private sector. For 99% of the people in the non-profit sector could probably get paid more elsewhere. To work at a non-profit is to become non-profit.
As for Kling he was a ruthless business man, who happened to work for and created a nonprofit. His ruthlessness elsewhere in the business community would be revered. By the way he no longer runs MPR, but it's great that he did otherwise we would just have right wing corporate media running everything.
Can I use your words again? OK, I will. You are just stupid.

You know nothing if what you wrote is an accurate reflection of what you think.

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