OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

Bryan

I noticed you changed my post and added your answers to it inside the post and then your replied to post you changed?

Cute trick

Yes, Republicans are butthurt that Democrats are doing the same thing to Republicans that they did.

I guess you will just have to get over it. We used to ask when Republicans were issuing all those Filibusters and secret holds what would they do if they got into some kind of power and we did the same thing to them? Now we see. All it does is gridlock. Especially putting out bills that they know will never get passed Democrats in the House or Senate of the President. Compromise is not letting the Republicans have 100% of what they want. So basically the Republicans have spent their whole term starting in 2010 achieving absolutely nothing. I think that is called a Pyrrhic victory!

Or how would you like us to treat your Republican president like you treated President Obama from the beginning of his taking office.

I don't expect anything will change in the Republican playbook when Obama has a 2nd term. As the saying goes 'You reap what you sew.'

Justaminute wrote:

So Romney created millions and thousands of jobs at Bain, except he was never really 'active' at Bain even though he was the CEO and President and Owner. So what Romney is saying:
"I ran a successful company, except I didn't."
Or as Business Insider notes:
Sorry, Mitt Romney, You Can't Be Chairman, CEO, And President Of A Company And Not Be Responsible For What It Does...
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-mitt-rom...

What did it do? Make money and net PAY taxes, yes! So what's your point here? Want to bash the outsourcing or something? Go ahead, it was a private company, outsourcing jobs to make a profit and paid taxes on the profit. Legal, and therefor none of my business or yours.

Tell ya what, let's do talk outsourcing...Solar funding (solyndra) creating jobs in Mexico/Thailand. Auto jobs for Finland and China. The jobs czar, Immel, sending plants for light bulbs and health instruments to China. Obama takes OUR (yes that includes you)tax money to create jobs in other countries. If Bain outsourced at least it was with private dollars. Where's your outrage?

Bottom line is, you can't blame Romney for anything politically, Washington related. There's only one fascist in that seat to focus your attention on in the current. That's right fascist! He wants to control business and personal activity rather than the gov't owning it (socialism). And that's bad medicine.

TAMARA wrote:

<quoted text>Well tell me this! When does a person get rewarded for doing the right thing? Yes it is my decision to fly and it is my decision to only drink one glass of pepsi and it is my decision not to eat chips or candy and it is my decision to do the best to keep my weight down. So so far I have been making the right decision while people are making the wrong ones and I have to pay for their ignorance. Sounds like a good trade to me. Good pays the cost of the bad!

Youll be paying for more of their ignorance when we're all paying their insurance premiums. I'll drink what I want when I want an how much i want and if it makes me fat and the obamacare supporters have to help me pay for it, oh well. Should have left me alone and left the govt out of my business and wallet

Justaminute wrote:

Bryan
I noticed you changed my post and added your answers to it inside the post and then your replied to post you changed?
Cute trick
Yes, Republicans are butthurt that Democrats are doing the same thing to Republicans that they did.
I guess you will just have to get over it. We used to ask when Republicans were issuing all those Filibusters and secret holds what would they do if they got into some kind of power and we did the same thing to them? Now we see. All it does is gridlock. Especially putting out bills that they know will never get passed Democrats in the House or Senate of the President. Compromise is not letting the Republicans have 100% of what they want. So basically the Republicans have spent their whole term starting in 2010 achieving absolutely nothing. I think that is called a Pyrrhic victory!
Or how would you like us to treat your Republican president like you treated President Obama from the beginning of his taking office.
I don't expect anything will change in the Republican playbook when Obama has a 2nd term. As the saying goes 'You reap what you sew.'

No trick. I just forgot to moving the quotes, respectively.

As to the rest, I voted for Obama. Surprised now, much? But I was wrong. I've never seen such a divisive tone set in Washington in all my life. And this has trickled into society and I am in no way convinced it's by chance. There has always been gridlock, you are correct again. But the current situation surpasses gridlock 100's of fold. To pick and choose whose to blame is idiotic. But the very man elected, the one who promised to bring it all together...hasn't. And he isn't even attempting to do so.

Justaminute wrote:

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Except Obama did put up a budget, it was up to the republican House to pass it! Oh noes! Could Republicans have a reason to Not want to pass a budget put up by the President? Let me think.......Yes, they do..They wanted you to be able to put up your talking points. That the President has not PASSED (KEY WORD) a budget in ...
It's the same reason Republicans have gone 33 times to vote on overturning the ACA as political theater and spent millions of dollars to do it, knowing full well, that it wouldn't get past the senate or that they have enough votes to get past a presidential Veto.

Justaminute, now come on. His first two terms he had total reign. Both house were democratic and even the filibuster was bustable. Still, no budget. There is no case for that unless you just flat out don't want one. If he did, he would have it. Maybe even his own side doesn't like him?

asdf wrote:

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Youll be paying for more of their ignorance when we're all paying their insurance premiums. I'll drink what I want when I want an how much i want and if it makes me fat and the obamacare supporters have to help me pay for it, oh well. Should have left me alone and left the govt out of my business and wallet

Just take care of your health just for you and your family!

Bryan wrote:

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Justaminute, now come on. His first two terms he had total reign. Both house were democratic and even the filibuster was bustable. Still, no budget. There is no case for that unless you just flat out don't want one. If he did, he would have it. Maybe even his own side doesn't like him?

Oh so your counting those THREE MONTHS we had a filibuster proof majority with Joe Libermann (I) that actually campaigned for Republicans. I think he's part of a trilogy McCain, Libermann, and Graham, and our Blue Dogs Senators especially the ones whose states are the home offices of insurance companies like Nebraska. Especially the way that the Republicans all scream RINO RINO if a Republican doesn't vote in lockstep with the Republican party? And then they do whatever they can to get him out of office

You know your rhetoric only works with people that don't follow politics.

President Obama accomplished what he set out to do. It's not our fault you weren't paying attention. Health insurance reform was the number one reason I voted for him. And he did it. I would have preferred a public option but thanks to those blue dogs, I didn't get it. But I'll take the 80/20 option instead.right now.

Bryan wrote:

<quoted text>No trick. I just forgot to moving the quotes, respectively.

As to the rest, I voted for Obama. Surprised now, much? But I was wrong. I've never seen such a divisive tone set in Washington in all my life. And this has trickled into society and I am in no way convinced it's by chance. There has always been gridlock, you are correct again. But the current situation surpasses gridlock 100's of fold. To pick and choose whose to blame is idiotic. But the very man elected, the one who promised to bring it all together...hasn't. And he isn't even attempting to do so.

His goal is definitely to divide and he has succeeded. Even in his own administration. It was purposeful and his reasons for doing so are clear. Divide and conquer. Let's just say it's not other countries attacking us that's part of his plan. Well, except one. I wont spell it out bc they wont listen,Some are too blind to see it but I can tell by some posts on these boards that a few have figured it out. The good thing is, we'll be ready for it while they're sitting back wondering Wtf happened and how did it happen "overnight" when it actually happened over about 15 years. Bush was the puppet setting the stage. Obama is the finale.

Justaminute wrote:

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Oh so your counting those THREE MONTHS we had a filibuster proof majority with Joe Libermann (I) that actually campaigned for Republicans. I think he's part of a trilogy McCain, Libermann, and Graham, and our Blue Dogs Senators especially the ones whose states are the home offices of insurance companies like Nebraska. Especially the way that the Republicans all scream RINO RINO if a Republican doesn't vote in lockstep with the Republican party? And then they do whatever they can to get him out of office
You know your rhetoric only works with people that don't follow politics.
President Obama accomplished what he set out to do. It's not our fault you weren't paying attention. Health insurance reform was the number one reason I voted for him. And he did it. I would have preferred a public option but thanks to those blue dogs, I didn't get it. But I'll take the 80/20 option instead.right now.

Listen. If the President wanted a budget he would have it. If not, he's flat out not very Presidential. All he has to do is put his foot down and say, no more inking of diddly squat until you get me my budget, to both sides.

Rhetoric? Two way street my friend.

And yes, he sat out and accomplished a Health Insurance Reform policy (It gave me a headache reading it! But I'm glad you're calling it what it is also, ala Insurance 'vs Care) And I don't disapprove of it accept that it needs major simplification and pork cut from it. It needs to be re-written as to be SCOTUS ruling protected 'but', ON TOPIC. I mean he did also promise no pork and unbridled transparency. Both impossible with a gazillion pages of lobbyist written mumbo jumbo. He didn't write it. He passed it off to the health industry lobbyists for that. So, you have to ask...who's making the money off this and who's paying for it. And why Mr. President are you, Congress, Union's and large employers that apply for the credit voucher exempt. I'll tell you why, it's not a FAIR bill when any person or entity is exempt, POLITICALLY. And the rest of us will somehow foot the bill. Which is the same as it always was. You don't even need read it to understand the uncommon sense of it. All ya gotta do is think and I recommend doing it with earplugs and a clear mind. Support of it, as is, is selfish and uncompromising of the overall aspect of the legislation as it should apply to ALL of America. Heck, McDonalds is exempt. Who's going to pick up the tab for all those minimum wagers. They can't afford it. The tax is not able to be pursued. Where does that can get kicked until it eventually falls off the financial cliff?

Now as for me and politics...No party owns me or my vote. Please don't try to bundle me to the right, or the left. I call it as I see. And all I see is more of the same, but with a lot more blame. That's why Obama will not get my vote, this time.

asdf wrote:

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His goal is definitely to divide and he has succeeded. Even in his own administration. It was purposeful and his reasons for doing so are clear. Divide and conquer. Let's just say it's not other countries attacking us that's part of his plan. Well, except one. I wont spell it out bc they wont listen,Some are too blind to see it but I can tell by some posts on these boards that a few have figured it out. The good thing is, we'll be ready for it while they're sitting back wondering Wtf happened and how did it happen "overnight" when it actually happened over about 15 years. Bush was the puppet setting the stage. Obama is the finale.

Goes way back to before Bush. Google Reagan, Greenspan, Social Security, 1983 and look at what that dimwit Greenspan did. If you can't find it I'll muster up the details for you. Basically that financial screw up set up a bigger piece of the stage we're on today.

Bryan wrote:

<quoted text>Goes way back to before Bush. Google Reagan, Greenspan, Social Security, 1983 and look at what that dimwit Greenspan did. If you can't find it I'll muster up the details for you. Basically that financial screw up set up a bigger piece of the stage we're on today.

Will do. The financial aspect wasn't the only thing I was talking about but is part of the plan. Can't take us until you financially break us.

Before obamas hope and change, it was a good thing to be successful and being white, a man, or believing in God wasn't shameful. And that's only the beginning. He even divides his own base. Latinos, blacks, unions, etc. the day of and after the election, be it obama or romney that wins, it will become clear to people. Watch and see.

Byran

Your asking me to suspend my disbelief that you voted for the President or in anyway voted for dogcatcher if he was a Democrat.

You through out a lot of accusations with no supporting evidence, which I might add, align perfectly with Republicans and the Tea Party.

In fact the only money you will be penalized is if you can afford insurance but refuse to carry it. To bad so sad.

I on the other hand have a pre-existing condition that before Obamacare had been defrauded by my insurance company knowing that I could not get insurance any where else. Reluctantly they gave me a new policy that reduced my premiums considerably which were $1,500 a month before Obamacare and after Obamacare which we down to $575 a month.

You'll just have to excuse me, but I find your blathering about paying taxes with nothing to back you up as Tea Party propaganda.

Obamacare saves millions that can't afford insurance or those that the insurance companies won't touch them with a ten foot pole.

You'll just throw us to a system that is voraciously profit driven and confines the rest of us to either going bankrupt in trying to keep up with premiums or early death because we don't have insurance.

Well since your going for the Republicans and Romney, you never really cared to begin with.

I'm quite sure that nothing I can tell you would make any difference. Your committed to turning us out without any hope as the Republicans will offer us nothing if Obamacare is turned over and that's just fine with you. Sad to be you.

TAMARA wrote:

<quoted text>Then you had better go to church today or get down on your knees and thank God you don't live with me! I just Thanked him that you don't live with me!

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Amen sister!

After reading all the comments while I was away I have only one thing to say.

If you believe that Bryan voted for Obama then you must believe that I hold Olympic Gold medals in the downhill ski, pole vaulting and the luge.

If I have EVER read someone quoting right wing vomit rhetoric Bryan spews it. Holds the GOP blameless for the most obstruction politics in American History and blames Obama for everything. Obama is a President clearly in over his head but he's only in over his head because he doesn't know how to deal with the GOP like Clinton did. They threw everything they had at Clinton and he just did what he wanted. Obama should have been like that but he isn't a bad man. Romney is evil to the core. A Wall Street Vulture that is just a better looking version of Dick Cheney.

DustyOutlaw wrote:

After reading all the comments while I was away I have only one thing to say.
If you believe that Bryan voted for Obama then you must believe that I hold Olympic Gold medals in the downhill ski, pole vaulting and the luge.
If I have EVER read someone quoting right wing vomit rhetoric Bryan spews it. Holds the GOP blameless for the most obstruction politics in American History and blames Obama for everything. Obama is a President clearly in over his head but he's only in over his head because he doesn't know how to deal with the GOP like Clinton did. They threw everything they had at Clinton and he just did what he wanted. Obama should have been like that but he isn't a bad man. Romney is evil to the core. A Wall Street Vulture that is just a better looking version of Dick Cheney.

Congratulations on those medals then! I've made very few talking points Dusty. Those I have are directly related to your comment of Obama being in over his head. Did I vote for him? Absolutely. Frankly, who the hell would want a McCain/Palin White House? But believe as you wish. The points I've made are so mild as to be minuscule in comparison to the fringe of the right and tea party rhetoric.

Benderover wrote:

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Congratulations on those medals then! I've made very few talking points Dusty. Those I have are directly related to your comment of Obama being in over his head. Did I vote for him? Absolutely. Frankly, who the hell would want a McCain/Palin White House? But believe as you wish. The points I've made are so mild as to be minuscule in comparison to the fringe of the right and tea party rhetoric.

This election is not about Obama. This election is about stopping Wall Street from yet another raping and looting of America. About stopping all restraints from the Banks just stripping the bones of the middle class. About stopping the GOP for putting Social Security money there for the taking by Wall Street. This election is about the survival for another 4 years of the middle class. Romney is the vulture on the fence waiting to do the bidding of Wall Street. I'm not voting for my own financial death.

Justaminute wrote:

Byran
Your asking me to suspend my disbelief that you voted for the President or in anyway voted for dogcatcher if he was a Democrat.
You through out a lot of accusations with no supporting evidence, which I might add, align perfectly with Republicans and the Tea Party.
In fact the only money you will be penalized is if you can afford insurance but refuse to carry it. To bad so sad.
I on the other hand have a pre-existing condition that before Obamacare had been defrauded by my insurance company knowing that I could not get insurance any where else. Reluctantly they gave me a new policy that reduced my premiums considerably which were $1,500 a month before Obamacare and after Obamacare which we down to $575 a month.
You'll just have to excuse me, but I find your blathering about paying taxes with nothing to back you up as Tea Party propaganda.
Obamacare saves millions that can't afford insurance or those that the insurance companies won't touch them with a ten foot pole.
You'll just throw us to a system that is voraciously profit driven and confines the rest of us to either going bankrupt in trying to keep up with premiums or early death because we don't have insurance.
Well since your going for the Republicans and Romney, you never really cared to begin with.
I'm quite sure that nothing I can tell you would make any difference. Your committed to turning us out without any hope as the Republicans will offer us nothing if Obamacare is turned over and that's just fine with you. Sad to be you.

Accusations? I've offered an opinion, mine. An opinion based on my observations. Whether or not you believe I voted for Obama doesn't really concern me. I did, but you'll just have to disagree under some ideology of internet interpretation. Shame on you and thank you for calling me, well, a liar. Class act, since you know me so well.

Here's where I should vilify you to the nth degree and tell you too damn bad about your health. But that won't happen. Because and I will repeat this...I agree with the Health insurance mandate and exactly what is does for you. However I do see a backside to this that will inevitably create some large financial issues in the future. My sibling benefits from this new policy just like you albeit different afflictions. Same basics though. And since she can't work, who do you think has been assisting her financially? She can't even get disability even though she's been clinically diagnosed as mental.(Post surgical addiction to drugs and her brain is mush)

But yes, I will be voting for Romney this time around. The healthcare issue will be ongoing, never removed but hopefully modified to be inclusive of the good in it, only. But as good as it is in its essence it does not excuse the divisiveness that Obama has created, maybe widened if you wish to look at it that way. We all need to saddle up and have someone we can expect more of than Obama seems capable of.

DustyOutlaw wrote:

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This election is not about Obama. This election is about stopping Wall Street from yet another raping and looting of America. About stopping all restraints from the Banks just stripping the bones of the middle class. About stopping the GOP for putting Social Security money there for the taking by Wall Street. This election is about the survival for another 4 years of the middle class. Romney is the vulture on the fence waiting to do the bidding of Wall Street. I'm not voting for my own financial death.

So you've met Romney? Have you seen the data lately under Obama. The gap is widening and the financial mess is still in full force. Honestly, I blame his cabinet for most of it. Geitner is dirty, man. I've watched this guy on numerous occasions through youtube and the Sunday morning news talk circuit and so forth. He was right smack in the beneficial middle of this scandal with hard ties to the FED. Listening to him is like watching paint dry and you get no answers. Wall Street did not rape America, Dusty. The FED raped America along with the other continental banks that bundled toxic debt. Look at them now. Look at the new LIBOR scandal and follow it closely. If heads don't roll, politics are dead in the middle of it and you can bet Washington leads the pack.

As to wealth... You can't attack achievement of wealth without stealing from the desires of those trying to achieve it. It will break the will of those who are trying to achieve it themselves. Then one day we have zombies of all poor with a very small handful of still wealthy controlling everything. This concept is as anti American as it comes. We are supposed to be the nation that creates these opps, not take them away.

I could go on here but I'm just gonna let it go. I won't vote for Obama again. When I hear him speak now I just hear the same old thing and it sounds like my kids. "Noooo, I didn't do that Daddy, Susie did it. It all her fault. Can I have a popsicle now". It's childish, unecessary, and very un-Presidential.

Bryan wrote:

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So you've met Romney? Have you seen the data lately under Obama. The gap is widening and the financial mess is still in full force. Honestly, I blame his cabinet for most of it. Geitner is dirty, man. I've watched this guy on numerous occasions through youtube and the Sunday morning news talk circuit and so forth. He was right smack in the beneficial middle of this scandal with hard ties to the FED. Listening to him is like watching paint dry and you get no answers. Wall Street did not rape America, Dusty. The FED raped America along with the other continental banks that bundled toxic debt. Look at them now. Look at the new LIBOR scandal and follow it closely. If heads don't roll, politics are dead in the middle of it and you can bet Washington leads the pack.
As to wealth... You can't attack achievement of wealth without stealing from the desires of those trying to achieve it. It will break the will of those who are trying to achieve it themselves. Then one day we have zombies of all poor with a very small handful of still wealthy controlling everything. This concept is as anti American as it comes. We are supposed to be the nation that creates these opps, not take them away.
I could go on here but I'm just gonna let it go. I won't vote for Obama again. When I hear him speak now I just hear the same old thing and it sounds like my kids. "Noooo, I didn't do that Daddy, Susie did it. It all her fault. Can I have a popsicle now". It's childish, unecessary, and very un-Presidential.

You know what bubba? Take your right wing rhetorical BS to Justaminute. I'm 65, worked more than 100 political campaigns and elections, worked for John McCain when he ran against Bush II, and you want to talk about "your opinion". Your opinion hillbilly is nothing more than GOP talking points. You can't back up a single thing you say. Like most extremists on both left and right you do not have a lick of common sense and know nothing about how government works. You sir are an idiot. Romney is no different than Bush II except he won't be a figurehead like Bush II. He'll be the actual corrupt Wall street vulture just like Dick Cheney. Take your rhetorical immaturity to someone else. I'm not responding to you any longer. I have more important things to do. Like watching paint dry. Grass grow. You know, things that aren't a complete waste of time. Grown people who are politically ignorant that they just goose step along to their party rhetoric are worthless people. Shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Bryan wrote:

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Accusations? I've offered an opinion, mine. An opinion based on my observations. Whether or not you believe I voted for Obama doesn't really concern me. I did, but you'll just have to disagree under some ideology of internet interpretation. Shame on you and thank you for calling me, well, a liar. Class act, since you know me so well.
Here's where I should vilify you to the nth degree and tell you too damn bad about your health. But that won't happen. Because and I will repeat this...I agree with the Health insurance mandate and exactly what is does for you. However I do see a backside to this that will inevitably create some large financial issues in the future. My sibling benefits from this new policy just like you albeit different afflictions. Same basics though. And since she can't work, who do you think has been assisting her financially? She can't even get disability even though she's been clinically diagnosed as mental.(Post surgical addiction to drugs and her brain is mush)
But yes, I will be voting for Romney this time around. The healthcare issue will be ongoing, never removed but hopefully modified to be inclusive of the good in it, only. But as good as it is in its essence it does not excuse the divisiveness that Obama has created, maybe widened if you wish to look at it that way. We all need to saddle up and have someone we can expect more of than Obama seems capable of.

Did you happen to read over what you wrote? Well about the only thing that is clear from your post. That everything you wrote concerning the President's policies are your opinion. I kinda figured this out. Nice that you confirmed my belief.

You state that you believe in the individual mandate. But believe that Obamacare will be a large financial boondoogle. I am assuming that this is your own opinion also. You have a sister that could benefit from Obamacare as she has a post-operative addiction to paid meds and the result has a mental disability.

And you believe that somehow the Republican party will refine and correct what you declare is a financial mess.

The Republican party has since the passage of Obamacare to work and refine health insurance. So far they have nothing, zip, nada. And they won't. It's not like the Republican party has not been in power and could have implemented their own solution to health care insurance. Especially since much of Obamacare CAME from Republicans. Republicans WILL NOT offer anything to help up us the health insurance front. Never ever. Poor sister.