Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Nor does evolution meet the requirements... But it's preached like fact... That is a lie Einstein!!! We haven't even got out of the gate yet and evolution fails... Science already knows the so called hard questions that you say I ask... Not possible.. Nodda, none, fail... Sorry... Perhaps it's time to look elsewhere...
What is 'preached' of evolution depends upon the preacher. But generally, evolution preaches the facts that are known, not unknown. You keep pointing to concepts not know, but are not even being claimed. Yet for some reason you feel they are being preached.
I think it is just your creationism handbook tricking you to believe evolution is claiming something it is not.

You have yet to show the concepts are not possible naturally. You can look anywhere you wish, but cannot call it fact until you have some evidence.

Play by the same rules as science.

Many who believe in evolution also believe in god. One can believe both. You can have blind faith that god made cells if you wish. But you cannot show evidence of this belief, so do not expect it to be taught in public schools.

But you god beyond this. You wish for evolution to be called a lie. Yet you cannot show a single lie of evolution.

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Translation: We get pissed when presented with questions the Theory of Evolution that we can't answer...Despite a massive campaign to cover up the fact that no proof can be offered both in the lab or in the field we feel the only defense is to shout "fundie fundie" ... Lol.. Pathetic as always..
You have no idea what the actual theory of evolution says, You have no idea what constitutes Proof in science or what Evidence is so you will say stuff in hopes others that are ignorant will think you know what you are talking about.... The people that actually do know what those concepts are will continue to laugh at your dumb ass...

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Complex living systems cannot create themselves from random chance... This takes something science cannot explain yet this totally ignored... Never mind me I'm just the 900 pound gorilla in the room... Sweep it under the rug and pretend it all just works anyway...
Prove it? Show the evidence for you claim? If you cannot show evidence, how can you make such an absolute claim?

You claim evolution is making claims it cannot support, yet you have shown zero examples. Now you make unsupported claims.

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No what YOU don't seem to get is "we don't know yet " translates to this is not possible... Lol.. The experiments have been going since the 1953... Didn't work then, don't work today and isn't going to work tomorrow... But hey knock yourself out...
So when 'we did not know' if the sun was the center of our solar system, did that mean it was not possible?
Your logic fails.

RNA has been produced in the lab. So science is moving forward on this. But until then, shove your god into the gap.

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Could Life Originate by Chance?
WHEN Charles Darwin advanced his theory of evolution he conceded that life may have been “originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one.”1 But present-day evolutionary theory generally eliminates any mention of a Creator. Instead, the theory of the spontaneous generation of life, once repudiated, has been revived in a somewhat altered form.
2 Belief in a form of spontaneous generation can be traced back for centuries. In the 17th century C.E., even respected men of science, including Francis Bacon and William Harvey, accepted the theory. However, by the 19th century Louis Pasteur and other scientists had seemingly dealt it a deathblow, having proved by experiments that life comes only from previous life. Nevertheless, out of necessity, evolutionary theory assumes that long ago microscopic life must somehow have arisen spontaneously from nonliving matter.
Evolution does not make claim of origin of life.
Darwin seemed to be able to have a god and evolution, why can you not?

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STOP Defender is deflecting attention away from facts by acting like he does not understand. This is an old trick.
I say it is time for defender to prove that his god created everything (with out some made up stories) with facts or shut up.
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The danger in teaching the bible is that it's a man-made book full of falsehoods that portrays a blood thirsty and angry God that needed the torture and killing of Jesus to forgive our so-called sins and wants to torture us in hell for eternity if we make a finite mistake. Faith is believing without evidence and that's stupidity.
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The danger in teaching the Bible is that this book has the power to create faith even in an atheist. If it is allowed to be taught there is a strong possibility someone could be converted to Jesus Christ. Under the current world views is it possible to allow such a powerful tool for good to be taught in public schools and that before the young minds of the future?
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<quoted text>Given time and the potential for something to happen something usually happens. You know the old story about the monkeys with the typewriters? Give them enough time and they will type the complete works of Shakespeare. But for things to get started on Earth you don't need anything that elaborate. Just long enough for the monkeys to make a single word or sentence.

But here's the thing that bugs me about all this talk of the origins of life: it is irrelevant to evolution. The subject is usually that "evilution" is wrong because it can't explain the origins of life. Well, it doesn't have to.

Even if your wildest fantasy was true and Yahweh created life, evolution would still be true. It is the description of how life changes over time, not the description of how it got started in the first place.

Fascinating topic though. I love that science is interested in figuring it out. Creationists have no curiosity on the matter.
I wasn't talking about the origin of life... Mike said that was off the table ( and that was fine cause we all ready established that this is a losing battle for evolutionist)... I asked about the origin of reproduction... Where did the information come from?... And what benefits the organism received from the process?.... Once again I got "we don't know"... Ok then can we move on now?...and yes the origin of reproduction is a very valid question for evolution...
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<quoted text>The little robot will provide technology that may one day save you life or bring about technology that save millions of lives and cost less per year than Americans spend on Moon Pies... The Program cost 2.5 Billion over it's 10 Year life span as it started 9 years ago ... and the rover is set to explore for 1 year... The Entire Nasa Budget is Less that Americans spend on Snack Cakes each year.... And from those programs we have the Electronics, Technology, and Material that you would not be able to do without day to day .... Millions of lives have been saved over time with those technologies that were part of the pure science of NASA... given freely to industry... The technology used to get that little robot to Mars, drive around with it's own self control using artificial intelligence is the same technology passed along that allows Drones to fly over targets without a pilot sitting there and flying them for hour after hour and calling a pilot in to take a shot of look at a camera shot it finds of interest....
Lol... I knew that one would shake you out...
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Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>What is 'preached' of evolution depends upon the preacher. But generally, evolution preaches the facts that are known, not unknown. You keep pointing to concepts not know, but are not even being claimed. Yet for some reason you feel they are being preached.
I think it is just your creationism handbook tricking you to believe evolution is claiming something it is not.

You have yet to show the concepts are not possible naturally. You can look anywhere you wish, but cannot call it fact until you have some evidence.

Play by the same rules as science.

Many who believe in evolution also believe in god. One can believe both. You can have blind faith that god made cells if you wish. But you cannot show evidence of this belief, so do not expect it to be taught in public schools.

But you god beyond this. You wish for evolution to be called a lie. Yet you cannot show a single lie of evolution.
I'm not saying evolution didn't happen... I'm saying it's not possible without some kind of force we don't understand... Science can't explain the current model... To say it does is a falsehood... It not just far fetched... It's ridiculous... Call it whatever you wish... God, Gods, or even aliens... But no way does random chance work...
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<quoted text>You have no idea what the actual theory of evolution says, You have no idea what constitutes Proof in science or what Evidence is so you will say stuff in hopes others that are ignorant will think you know what you are talking about.... The people that actually do know what those concepts are will continue to laugh at your dumb ass...
Lol... Temper temper... Nothing pisses off people more than the truth... The arrogant ones take it the hardest...
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<quoted text>Prove it? Show the evidence for you claim? If you cannot show evidence, how can you make such an absolute claim?

You claim evolution is making claims it cannot support, yet you have shown zero examples. Now you make unsupported claims.
Hey if you believe complex working systems can arise without intelligence then great but the burden of proof is yours... Good luck...
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<quoted text>So when 'we did not know' if the sun was the center of our solar system, did that mean it was not possible?
Your logic fails.

RNA has been produced in the lab. So science is moving forward on this. But until then, shove your god into the gap.
Ok....

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Um... No... A lot of needy people loose while we spend billions of dollars to play with little robots...
Hot damn, you're right! For just a billion more we could have put one of those bigassed suv's up there - one of those with a fish decal on the back just like I see crowding church parking lots!

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<quoted text>Agreed all the way around... It human ego at it's finest.. We see the universe on our scale and expect all to follow our rules, because we are so special don't ya know... It's the primary aspect of all religion to give validation to human importance... Here we sit on a tiny insignificant ball, orbiting a insignificant small star out on the edge of a mundane galaxy thinking we are just the so special ..... When truth be told we are, all of mans history, to the galaxy a split second in time not to be noticed with our passing from it... Unless of course we find a way to leave this ball... Then if we ever make that leap, in some distant place on another ball our ancestors may type on their version of the Internet and ask the same questions we do now... Never knowing where the seeds of life on their little ball came from, telling tales of Gods and myths....
And if space travel can't be FTL that's exactly what could happen. Generations would pass before we would make it to the next planet. We might forget where we came from.

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<quoted text>Um... No... A lot of needy people loose while we spend billions of dollars to play with little robots...
If we take that attitude then everything from sports to music to philosophy to classic cars becomes a waste of money.

We have an awesome machine exploring Mars right now. Science put it there.

Science rules.
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<quoted text>And if space travel can't be FTL that's exactly what could happen. Generations would pass before we would make it to the next planet. We might forget where we came from.
You already have forgotten where you came from...

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And if space travel can't be FTL that's exactly what could happen. Generations would pass before we would make it to the next planet. We might forget where we came from.
Even with (near) FTL it's looking like finding a Goldilocks planet will be a loooong ways away.

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You already have forgotten where you came from...
That's why we have archaeology and science to dispel the primitive mythologies. With luck, time a lot of work we might found out where we were 70,000 years ago before the population bottleneck.

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If we take that attitude then everything from sports to music to philosophy to classic cars becomes a waste of money.
We have an awesome machine exploring Mars right now. Science put it there.
Science rules.
Just think how much money we could save if we went back to the dark ages - no cars, cellphones, cable bills, hospitals... just Christians bathing in purified contact with the Holy Spirit and stocks and dungeons for the rest of us.

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