VA Property Tax Exemption for Veterans, Question 2

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Disabled Vet wrote:

I usty be missing something here. How did this go from Disabled Veterans getting a tax exemption on their primary residence to discussing economics and the practices of buyers and sellers? I believe we should leave this thread for the intended purpose and all the other stuff be on it's own thread.

Okay, we're engaging in a conversation that creates a burden on one and relieves it for another? Is discrimination really what this country needs more of? And has the given path not taught you anything about unfair legalized constitutional law?

See, this nation began as a unified entity. As a particular group of people began to grow exponentially faster than the other two, separate but equal groups; the larger group got the idea that they could do anything immoral, unjust and illegal, then legalize it.

When you say that black man + black woman= 1/5; indian man+indian woman=0 and white man+ white woman=1 and begin a nation; the rest of construction that you build upon that premise isn't going to end correctly.

As time goes by you recognize the error and you seek to amend those wrongs. You don't want to share what you've accumulated, so, you bury the real wealth in a vault and invent a new form of currency backed by superficial elements.

You get the entire civilization to agree that housing is that element, not taking into consideration that a true mineral doesn't have to be maintenanced. Gold doesn't have to be polished to be gold. But a house does. But it's not really the house improvement that is the element, it's the land + any improvement.

So, when you tell me that someone who was paid to serve is somehow more than a citizen that didn't, I have to question exactly what you're trying to imply that veteran is.

Is that veteran a commodity? A commodity that in some way had a decision to serve, because sometimes there is a draft. Are he parents special for making him/her and allowing the government to use him/her to gain or maintain a position?

I am a veteran by a decision that I made to join. But I am a citizen with children that I wouldn't want to foot anyone else's bill. Eventhough there are people that will never catch up.

If congress wants to do something they should be actually constructing a constitution that will govern these united countries that are separate and by no means equal. VA is a great country!

The next time that you see a ," I'm a veteran" sticker on a house door or a car, ask them kindly if you can drive around in their car or sit in their lounge chair and watch a couple of minutes of television; those are your tax dollars.

It's your money and you did not have a choice, when the government spent it. How many of you would have really would have went out a bought a bomb to drop on Nagasaki or Hiroshima?

And then have congress or whoever decide that they would never drop another atomic bomb on anyone else? Why in the hell did they waste millions of dollars developing a weapon, our tax dollars, to not use a weapon that saves American lives?

They've spent millions on nuclear weapons but they send us and our children to die and return home injured. Is the object of conflict to win or is it to play games with citizens' lives?

Life is simple, life is easy. People that appear to govern complicate it, so that normal people could recognize the truth if it smacked them in the face.

SEE NO TRUTH, HEAR NO TRUTH, SPEAK NO TRUTH! And I'm not angry, I'm the happiest, go luckiest son of a gun that has ever lived and wealthy to boot.

Time is drawing nigh'...only chance left is to establish mutual respect!

Sonnyboy Lethalstein wrote:

JeeBuss,
If you cant afford to buy, you rent. Simple as that.

There are so many foreclosures, because too many people irresponsibly purchased houses they couldn't afford.

If you raise the taxes on a person's second home, he'll just roll those taxes into the cost of rent.

It's getting to the point that NO ONE can afford to buy. It was a lot easier for our parents to buy a house that it is for us.

I understand that someone working part-time at McDonald's cannot afford a McMansion. However, a two-income family making an average salary should be able to buy an average home in a safe neighborhood. Speculators have artificially inflated prices to the point that that is not impossible.

If they roll the taxes into the rent, hopefully everybody will tell him to "shove it", he won't be able to rent it at all, and he'll have to eat it...

We are here. No matter how you believe, no matter what you think your purpose has become; life and it's necessities were not to be gathered, held for profit and sold.

When the Mormons, Quakers and other groups settled an area, as a new member of their community came from the old country, they didn't sell him a property. They got together as a community and built him and his family if he had one, a home.

The next day, they expected him to participate in what would help the community exist. They blacksmithed, farmed, baked, harvested wood for new construction and whatever else needed to be a part of growth and sustenance.

As the group of people that declared themselves ruler of the land sought to incorporate Utah, a war was going to take place. It wasn't because they were promoting freedom, they were seeking to take away freedom with their so-called laws that protected rights.

They should have been allowed to exist peacefully but that christian belief had to reign supreme. I loathe a seven day whatever they're called that comes towards my door but then I remember that they work for free.

They have painted my house, hoed my garden and alot of other minor tasks and when they leave, I thank them and give them their little literature for the next house. I don't need the after-life to guide my ability to be respectful of my fellowman.

But my fellow man seems to need a little guidance because he believes that he can cause misery and grief upon another man and then jesus or god is going to forgive him.

If you wrong me, you can bow your head and pray a song into heaven but if you didn't apologize to me and I didn't accept it, the consequence of your actions are coming. Two wrongs don't make it right, it makes it even. That's why it's okay to kill a man that kills.

Why do you people think you can always talk about the next step, when the first step that you took was wrong. As veterans you should know which foot moves first. If you're out of step, you stutter-step to get back in step, you just don't keep marching.

SEE NO TRUTH, HEAR NO TRUTH, SPEAK NO TRUTH.

It's not good(god) versus evil(d'evil), they are the same thing or person if you would like them to be alive.( the knowledge of god and devil)All of that is about death. Mutual respect is about life( the book of life). Wake up minds..might as well be dumb, deaf and blind. If you need to be forgiven, you're already dead; life just hasn't killed you, yet! Fix it!

we work for the county.....there is no separation between God and the state--they are one and the same. get the target markers out and let the games begin.

Go Red 2012 wrote:

No.

Why not? There are many aging and disabled veterans who need and have earned the right to property tax exemption.

Jeebuss wrote:

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It's getting to the point that NO ONE can afford to buy. It was a lot easier for our parents to buy a house that it is for us.
I understand that someone working part-time at McDonald's cannot afford a McMansion. However, a two-income family making an average salary should be able to buy an average home in a safe neighborhood. Speculators have artificially inflated prices to the point that that is not impossible.
If they roll the taxes into the rent, hopefully everybody will tell him to "shove it", he won't be able to rent it at all, and he'll have to eat it...

Speculators have artificially inflated prices? Why is it so hard for you to understand that the house represents the dollar?

If a natural disaster happens, when assessment time rolls around, your value assumes the differences that haven't been recouped through inflated product costs.

When the trade center was destroyed, where do you think the value assessed against it went to? It got distributed all across America. Then we got double whammied by Katrina, hence the necesity to create a housing boom.

If you build it they will come. Add up the dots. Nothing is being redistributed, when you think it is anyways.

Until improvements are made to land, the dollar will be stale. But there isn't a reason to build, when you don't have anyone to buy.

The key component in the early 2000's post-world trade is that if the houses are bank owned, then credit is tied up. Selling houses to underqualified people didn't just help them for the moment, it help businessmen and previous homeowners to hoard a little cash.

You guys are acting as if this housing crisis only affected working class people. It affected a lot of older people that believed they has actually gained something, after living in their homes for 30 or 40 years. In which they hadn't invested a dime or gave the money to their children's educations or wanted a new buick.

Downfall, most kids don't want to care for their aging parents. Assisted Living is expensive. Medicare does not pay for assisted living. Their isn't enough nursing homes and they have limited businesses from expanding or improving nursing homes.

They continue to build prisons but refuse to support health care, in fact they want to cut health care spending and everyone is for it.

The VA exempt benefit is an effort to reduce medicare coverage. Vote yes for Va exempt and the costs to pay for the difference will come from medicare. Check= clueless at the top, if you feel that it will make it less true.

Jeebuss wrote:

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It's getting to the point that NO ONE can afford to buy. It was a lot easier for our parents to buy a house that it is for us.
I understand that someone working part-time at McDonald's cannot afford a McMansion. However, a two-income family making an average salary should be able to buy an average home in a safe neighborhood. Speculators have artificially inflated prices to the point that that is not impossible.
If they roll the taxes into the rent, hopefully everybody will tell him to "shove it", he won't be able to rent it at all, and he'll have to eat it...

You say they SHOULD be able to buy a house. What makes you think they should? There is no rule. You still think they deserve it somehow. There is no right to buy a house. They can buy it when they can afford it. If not, they can go somewhere else. Housing prices are anything but inflated right now around here. They are pretty low in my opinion. If you can't afford one, then you should wait until you've saved more.

Speculators can't inflate the price of houses. Prices are a function of supply and demand. Believe me: no one is buying houses to flip them right now. Those times are over for a while.

ALL rental properties are investment houses, as they all generate income for the owner. If you raise taxes on investment houses, you raise them for all rentals. Renters can't say "shove it,", because they have nowhere else to go. All rent would be increased by your tax.

Sonnyboy Lethalstein wrote:

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You say they SHOULD be able to buy a house. What makes you think they should? There is no rule. You still think they deserve it somehow. There is no right to buy a house. They can buy it when they can afford it. If not, they can go somewhere else. Housing prices are anything but inflated right now around here. They are pretty low in my opinion. If you can't afford one, then you should wait until you've saved more.
Speculators can't inflate the price of houses. Prices are a function of supply and demand. Believe me: no one is buying houses to flip them right now. Those times are over for a while.
ALL rental properties are investment houses, as they all generate income for the owner. If you raise taxes on investment houses, you raise them for all rentals. Renters can't say "shove it,", because they have nowhere else to go. All rent would be increased by your tax.

Every house is an investment property. There are people still flipping homes. The difference in the borrowing is that before they wouldn't loan you money, if it was guaranteed that you could repay the loan or possess the ability to pay it off early. Now, they like people that have access to lots of easily liquidated assets.

Generating capital gain from a property isn't a gain because eventually, you'll have to put it back into that property and this is what defeats the tax liability but it also stalls your growth. Especially, if you know better than to deal with credit to a large extent.

YES

Okay. Say Yes. VA benefits become Medicare Benefits. You used to have 1350-2000 for assisted living, now, you have 300 per month and a tax credit. Guess what? It's already being fixed up for you. If you have someone that was using the VA benefit, they just made you increase your personal obligation. Guess what? That doesn't end until the service member is below $2000.00 and that's only if the primary home is his personal residence.

You have to stay home with grandpa!!! Yeah Right! Send him to the home until money runs out. Guess what? he's coming home with you! Vote Yes! Guess what? You already did.

who cares

Uh,,, hey guys ,,, after 600 remarks and the legislation passes ,,, you losers are beating a dead horse ! Let it go.

Nobody is my name wrote:

I can not believe that anyone would vote NO to give a Tax Break to veterans that is totally 100% Disable and can not work. If it wasn't for the veterans fighting for our freedom you would not even be able to vote.
It is a big "YES" for me.

I would have said yes but after my exsperience w/a tenant ripping me off for 7,000 dollars. Bad check and my irreplaceable belongings. Him being a disabled marine.No and I was not able to retrieve anything back because he was affiliated.

I really don't understand all this!

Sonnyboy Lethalstein wrote:

You say they SHOULD be able to buy a house. What makes you think they should?....They can buy it when they can afford it.

They SHOULD be able to afford it, if they are making the average salary. My parents afforded a house when only my dad was working. Think that can happen now???
By the time that they can "afford" it, prices will jump up again.

Sonnyboy Lethalstein wrote:

Housing prices are anything but inflated right now around here. They are pretty low in my opinion.

WHAT??
"Low", compared to what??
Just a few years ago, a standard 3BR 2BA house was around $125K. It LITERALLY DOUBLED to $255K in that short period of time. No one's salary doubled in that short time period.

Sonnyboy Lethalstein wrote:

If you can't afford one, then you should wait until you've saved more.

Yeah, THAT makes sense. Who can afford to save, and the prices keep going up to outrun the saving.

Sonnyboy Lethalstein wrote:

Speculators can't inflate the price of houses.

Eh, wrong.
Speculators are raising the price of oil right now.
City tax assessors decided that they needed more tax revenue, so they immediately inflate the land value to get more tax revenue.

A guy I was talking to said that he bought his house for $48K 30 years ago, and now if he wanted to sell it, it would have a $290K asking price. And, to quote him, "I haven't done a damn thing but live in it." That means that the electrical, plumbing, flooring, etc. are a well-worn 30 years old. HOW can that go UP in value? Cars depreciate from wear and tear, so houses should, too.

It is a done deal. Now we are at 600 messages.

va_tazdad wrote:

It is a done deal. Now we are at 600 messages.

Good point from somebody who has posted almost six thousand times since February 10.