Do away with guns

Yes, Doust, my guns were designed to kill. And if I see you on the day I'm told to turn them in, I'll kill you.

When guns are outlawed, "Liberal" season must begin.

http://www.willowtown.com/reality/blacksburg....

jack412 wrote:

<quoted text>
we can cross off your list "murder went up after gun control"
good gun control doesnt cause murder to rise...with proper guncontrol laws
a community can have reduced gun death and murder
so we can cross that off the list then cant we..LMFAO
1..so we will move on to the next point.."gun death and murder was already falling"
ans.. yes it was, 3% per year before and 6% per year after gun control
gun control didnt make it go up..did it
2. now..are you sure you want to make our assault, as we define it as your second best chance to try and prove somthing ?
well make your case...why and how did gun control affect our assault rates ????????
who said a gunnut cant grow and mature
[ i better save this in word, you may need reminding ]

Australian Crime Facts & Figures 2006
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2006...

"The percentage of homicides committed with a firearm CONTINUED A DECLINING TREND WHICH BEGAN IN 1969. In 2003, fewer than 16% of homicides involved firearms. The figure was similar in 2002 and 2001, down from a high of 44% in 1968."

- Page 24

Their 'ban' started in 1996, so that means the 'ban' had NOTHING to do with the ALREADY FALLING homicide rate:

"Australian crime : facts and figures 2004

"Trend in firearm homicides

"Figure 11: Homicide involving firearms as a percentage of total homicide, 1915-2002"
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2004...

"What this chart shows

"The percentage of homicides committed with a firearm continued a declining trend since 1969. In 2002, just under 16% of homicides involved firearms. The figure was similar in 2001, down from a high of 44% in 1968."

In FACT, many OTHER CRIME RATES ROSE DIRECTLY BECAUSE OF THE 'ban', DIDN'T THEY?

Pay close attention to the REAL murder stats and ASSAULT RATE. There are OTHER INTERESTING "FACTS" in the report from JACK@SSES OWN COVERNMENT as well. Start around Page 18...

For instance:

"Trend in assault

"Figure 18: Assaults, by month, 1995–2005 (number)

The trend in assaults shows an average growth of 6% each year between 1995 and 2005. THIS IS THREE TIMES THE ANNUAL GROWTH OF THE AUSTRALIAN POPULATION OVER THE SAME PERIOD.

"Assault is seasonal. The number of assaults peak in the spring and summer months of October to February, and is lowest during April to July...."

- Australian Crime Facts & Figures 2006
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2006... (Page 26)

jack412 wrote:

<quoted text>
we can cross off your list "murder went up after gun control"
good gun control doesnt cause murder to rise...with proper guncontrol laws
a community can have reduced gun death and murder
so we can cross that off the list then cant we..LMFAO
1..so we will move on to the next point.."gun death and murder was already falling"
ans.. yes it was, 3% per year before and 6% per year after gun control
gun control didnt make it go up..did it
2. now..are you sure you want to make our assault, as we define it as your second best chance to try and prove somthing ?
well make your case...why and how did gun control affect our assault rates ????????
who said a gunnut cant grow and mature
[ i better save this in word, you may need reminding ]

AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT Crime and criminal justice statistics.url
http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/

HOMICIDE STATISTICS FROM THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT WEBSITE -
http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/crime/homicide.ht...

MY, MY, WE SEEM TO BE HAVING A "SPIKE" GOING ON, DON'T WE? BUT, I THOUGHT THE 'gun ban' worked?

OH, AND WHAT'S THIS? WHY IT'S THE "KIDNAPPING" STATISTICS OFF THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT CRIME STATISTICS WBESITE!-
http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/crime/kidnapping....

Appears that 'gun ban' didn't do a bit of good, doesn't it?

HEY MATE! WOULD YOU JUST TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR ASSAULT RATE! WHY, IT'S THROUGH THE ROOF I'M TELLIN' YA! HERE, LOOK FOR YOURSELF - FROM RIGHT OFF THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENTS CRIME STATISTICS WEBSITE -
http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/crime/assault.htm...

Guess that 'gun ban' didn't help ASSAULTS, did it?

CRICKY MATE! WOULD YOU JUST HAVE A LOOK AT THE ROBBERY STATISTICS! FROM OFF OF THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT WEBSITE NO LESS!
http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/crime/robbery.htm...

BOTH ARMED AND UNARMED RATES ARE HIGHER THAN THEY WERE BEFORE THE 'gun bans'. NOW WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE THAT WOULD BE?[DUH].

OH MATE! YOUR MATE SURELY ISN'T GOING TO LIKE THIS! HAVE A LOOK-SEE AT THE SEXUAL ASSAULT STATS - FROM OFF THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT CRIME STATISTICS WEBSITE - http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/crime/sexual_assa...

MORE OF YOUR WOMEN ARE BEING RAPED THAN EVER BEFORE! IN FACT IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO GOING OFF THE CHARTS! BUT, THAT'S ALRIGHT BECAUSE YOUR 'SAFE' FROM THOSE 'evil' GUNS, RIGHT?

OOOOOPS! LOOKS LIKE YOU'LL HAAVE TO BE GOING AFTER THOSE KNIVES/SWORDS NEXT! TAKE A LOOK AT THIS FROM OFF THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT WEBSITE -
http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/crime/weapons.htm...

THEN OF COURSE, YOU'LL HAVE TO GO AFTER ANYTHING THAT CAN BE CONSTRUED AS A BLUNT INSTRUMENT. THEN ROCKS, SCISSORS, TREES, CONCRETE SIDEWALKS, CLIFFS, BRIDGES, TALL BUILDINGS, FIRE, ROPE, RAZORS....

Ah, yeah. Have fun with that....

jack412 wrote:

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your a gunnut trying to make a point that isnt there..LOL
so you are saying...
gun control made murder stable for 10 years
then made it go bad for 3 years
and the next 15 years getting it falling 60%
fcuk mate,,even Jesus wouldnt try and claim that

Crime Statistics > Total crime victims (most recent) by country
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri...

Showing latest available data. Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)

#1 Australia: 30.1%

#2 New Zealand: 29.4%
#3 United Kingdom: 26.4%
#4 Netherlands: 25.2%
#5 Sweden: 24.7%
#6 Italy: 24.6%
#7 Canada: 23.8%
#8 Saint Kitts and Nevis: 23.2%
#9 Malta: 23.1%
#10 Denmark: 23%
#11 Poland: 22.7%
#12 Belgium: 21.4%
#13 France: 21.4%
#14 Slovenia: 21.2%
#15 United States: 21.1%
#16 Finland: 19.1%
#17 Austria: 18.8%
#18 Switzerland: 18.2%
#19 Portugal: 15.5%
#20 Japan: 15.2%
Weighted average: 22.4%

DEFINITION: People victimized by crime (as a % of the total population). Data refer to people victimized by one or more of 11 crimes recorded in the survey: robbery, burglary, attempted burglary, car theft, car vandalism, bicycle theft, sexual assault, theft from car, theft of personal property, assault and threats. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.

SOURCE: UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on crime victims. March. Turin

But here's what happened in Australia just one year after gun owners were forced to surrender their means of protection. By the way, "disarming" Australia cost the taxpayers $500 million.

OBSERVABLE FACTS, AFTER 12 MONTHS OF DATA:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2%
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6%
Australia-wide, armed-robberies are up 44%(yes, FORTY-FOUR PERCENT)
In the state of Victoria, homicides-with-firearms are up 300%
Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in homicides-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past 12 months)
Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in armed-robbery-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past 12 months)
There has been a dramatic increase in breakins-and-assaults-of- the-elderly
At the time of the ban, the Prime Minister said "self-defense is not a reason for owning a firearm"

chester arthur wrote:

<quoted text>Nice try,Kangaroo Jack.What loon site said that 90% want repressive gun laws.No doubt the Brady sight or some other group that has,shall we say,a problem with the truth.If that were true,the lunatic left candidates running for President would be calling for the kind of draconian gun laws that Australia and England have inflicted on the innocent.If you want to persuade,you must have the talent,knowledge,and ability to tell the truth that the anti-gun nuts lack.England and Australia have had violent crime rates increase 20 times the increase in the U.S (FBI statistics)since their gun bans went into effect.England's knife crime rate is going up so fast they sell blunted knives and seek to ban sharp ones as dangerous weapons.

It was probably THIS site:

A gun ban that's half-cocked leaves us all potential targets

November 6 2002

Recent killings highlight the danger of semi-automatic handguns in the hands of civilians, writes Rebecca Peters.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/05/103...

Her and Soros finished off Australia. Now Mz. Peters is over here attempting to do the SAME THING:

Soros Justice Fellowships

Soros Justice Fellowships Guidelines | Grantee List

Grantees
Grantees Rebecca Peters

Rebecca Peters will research gun violence and gun control laws internationally, so that countries considering the reform of their gun laws can be informed by the experience elsewhere.
http://www.soros.org/initiatives/justice/focu...

Rebecca Peters: Nations disarm as laws tighten
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,...

Rebecca Peters is the director of the International Action Network on Small Arms. She led Australia's National Coalition for Gun Control from 1992 to 1997.

Billionaire Soros backs 'gun control' schemes world-wide. He sends his little ban dog, Rebecca Peters to do the dirty work. She was very effective in Australia and England. I'm convinced that the roo-humper from Australia is in their employ.....

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist
program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

-- Norman Thomas,(1884-1968) six-time U.S. Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America Source: 1948 - from an interview during the presidential campaign,

[Ed. note: Norman Thomas and Gus Hall, the U.S. Communist Party Candidate, both quit American politics, agreeing that the Republican and Democratic parties by 1970 had adopted every plank on the Communist/Socialist and they no longer had an alternate party platform on which to run.]
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Norm...

I love my American men. They take excellent care of their women. My man taught me how to "shoot to kill". No government will get my guns or my man!

Rick Donaldson wrote:

"Yes, the National Rifle Association, gun advocates and manufacturers would scream their heads off, so let them. The safety of our citizens is far more important than their selfish claim that their Second Amendment rights would be violated. "
I'm not an NRA member, but I'm an ARMED supporter of the Constitution of the United States - and you sir, are obviously a Leftist gun grabber.
Come and take my weapons if you like, but be prepared for myself and 185 million others to fight you, the cops, the government and anyone else who tries.

Good thing that you are NOT an 'NRA' member:

"The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871."

—NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth. NRA's American Rifleman Magazine, March 1968, P. 22.

"The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns.... NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts."

— American Rifleman, March 1968, P. 22 [NRA Supported the National Firearms Act of 1934, by Angel Shamaya, March 29, 2002.]
http://gunshowonthenet.com/AfterTheFact/NRAGu...

“...As a matter of official policy, NRA does not call for the BATF to be abolished. In fact, the Association does not object to many of the federal laws against violent criminal behavior committed with firearms that BATF is charged with enforcing. Since we support certain federal laws relative to firearms, it only stands to reason that we would not promote abolishing the federal agency tasked with enforcing those laws....”

“...Furthermore, it has long been NRA's position that a greater emphasis should be placed on enforcing existing laws that target violent gun crimes. In fact, NRA spent much of the eight years under Bill Clinton admonishing his Department of Justice for its failure to aggressively prosecute violent criminals who are caught violating federal gun laws. As part of that campaign, NRA began promoting the "Project Exile" prosecution model. In case you were not already aware, Project Exile is a cooperative effort between federal, state, and local law enforcement and prosecutors that calls for the full prosecution of violent gun crimes....”

- Amanda H. Millward, NRA-ILA Grassroots Division, Letter dated Nov. 20, 2006.
http://gunshowonthenet.com/AfterTheFact/jpfon...

The 'NRA' was started by then current and former government employees. They have done more damage to our INALIENABLE right than ANY other organization. They don't even try to hide their treason....

Obviously Mr. Doust has no knowledge of human history. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Those who say "it can't happen here" are totally oblivious to historical FACT;
http://gunshowonthenet.com/SecondAmend/GunCon...

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

1932-33 Soviet Dictator Joseph Stalin's 'government' sponsered famine, causing the deaths of 7 to 10 million in the Ukraine.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

1937-38 Japanese soldiers 'Rape' Nanking province of China, causing the deaths of 300,000.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 6 million Jews and countless others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.(Some estimates bring the total closer to 13 million!).

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Pol Pot's Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, over 2,000,000 people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated by the Khmer Rouge.

1992-95 Bosnia-Herzegovina conflict; 200,000 dead.

1994 Rwanda, Hutu militia kill 800,000 Tutsis.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of 'gun control' or from the lack of being able to defend themselves: about

64,700,000

Spelled out, that is;

SIXTY-FOUR MILLION,

SEVEN-HUNDRED

THOUSAND PEOPLE!

There are some reports, that the total number Murdered, is actuallly MUCH HIGHER!

See:'Innocents Betrayed' on the J.P.F.O. website....(170,000,000)
http://www.innocentsbetrayed.com/index2.htm

Mr. Doust, I think you are a complete and utter moron whose public utterances should be immediately ceased so as to protect people from your stupidity. I suppose you'll scream your head off about this, but my sanity is far more important than your selfish claim that your First Amendement rights would be violated.

No, I dont plan on doing away with my guns. No I dont plan on selling off my guns because the illegals, and scumbags cant manage to do anything but rob and rape.
In short.. no.. I will not tolerate liberal do gooders doing away with my guns.
Go plant a tree or something

Michael J. Doust is way off base. Banning all guns is a retarded idea. If he can come up with a way to ban all criminal activity, his idea might make sense. If he can guarantee my personal physical safety from all criminals, his idea might make sense. Blaming a tool for an individual's choice is also retarded. I could blame a pencil for all mis-spelled words. I could blame forks for all obese people and I could blame, blame, blame, blame....... The bottom line is people make choices. The tools, however, do not.

do away with printing presses!

Then we won't be violated by your silliness and you won't be able to incide hatred towards yourself!

Just read the comments here alreay!
You seem to be inciting a riot!

Since the DC ban, crime has risen there by 200%. That's because now only criminals carry arms.

Perhaps we should do away with piano wire.

You guys ever see that scene in The Godfather, where that guy kicks out the windshield?

Brother, I tell ya!!

It makes me sad to constantly see people attacking the tools of violence instead of the violence instead. Your article above really shows that you are an idiot.
Name one thing in this country that is illegal that is not available: drugs? prostitution? liquor during prohibition? By disarming the law abiding people, you leave the evil people with a serious advantage. You cannot eliminate guns totally. If you try, think what happens to the balance of power.
I have far more respect for the constitution than you. A little history lesson for you and some reading about how innovative this country was when it decided to leave the power with the people might be in order.
Maybe one day, you or a loved one will be a victim of a violent crime and you will see the err in your ways.

jack412 wrote:

you dont need to get rid of all guns
mainly, just locking them up when not in use helped us a lot
http://www.usyd.edu.au/news/84.html...
The risk of dying by gunshot has halved since Australian gun buy-back
Not only were Australia's post-Port Arthur gun laws followed by a decade in which the crime they were designed to reduce hasn't happened again,
*** 10 YEARS NO MASS MURDER,*** we were averaging one a year
but we also saw a life-saving bonus: the decline in overall gun deaths accelerated to twice the rate seen before the new gun laws
** firearm suicides and firearm homicides were reducing by 3 per cent (total gun death) each year until 1996,
these average rates of decline doubled to,* 6 per cent each year (total gun death),
• 7.5 per cent each year (gun homicide) following the introduction of new gun laws.
we had 47% less gun death since gun control
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi2/tan...
As well as the gun death
our, all murder rate continued to fall to nearly 25% less since gun control
Murder, rate per 100k persons
1996 was 1.85
2006 was 1.40
there is annual rise and fall our murder can vary 30 a year or 0.1
down in 04 up in 06 for example. 0.1 with our small murder rate is about 14 %
2003 " 1.5
2004 " 1.3
2005 " 1.3
2006 " 1.4

Before you quote those figures, you might want to check out Snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausgun...

It could be that the way crimes are counted, or not counted, affect those numbers to give the impression that the liberals in your government want everyone to see.

Mr. Doust –
I’ll make you a deal……you go out and collect the guns, knives, and other weapons from all the criminals, thugs, gang-bangers, rapists, robbers, car-jackers, terrorists, dope-dealers, serial killers & psychos. After doing so, all of us law abiding, honest, hard working, citizens will turn over our guns to you for destruction.
You obviously live in a fantasy world. The world is not flat; Santa Claus is not real; and the moon is not made out of green cheese.