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Since: Feb 09
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Some believe that God torments the wicked forever in a burning hell. Others feel that such an idea is inconsistent with what the Bible says at 1 John 4:8: "He that does not love has not come to know God, because God is love."
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The bible says {in my word} that GOD wishes that none shall perish but have everylasting life you send your ownself to hell GOD doesnt and satan torments you.
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Since: Feb 09
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At Genesis 2;16, 17 God told Adam and Eve that if they ate of the forbidden fruit, they would positively die not be tormented. After Adam and Eve sinned by eatting from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad the Creator was obligied to setence them to death. At Genesis 3:19 he told them: "In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return. Again no mention of torment. Had Adam and Eve been in danger of burning in hell, would not God (a God of love) have warned them about such a punishment? The fact is that he mentioned nothing about suffering after death. How could they suffer? They did not have immortal souls that would survive after death. The Bible makes this very clear: "The soul that is sinning-it itself will die." -Ezekiel 18:4. God knows all that there is to know about death and life. At Ecclesiastes 9:5 he tells us that"the death...are conscious of nothing at all." That is why Adam and Eve could not suffer in a fiery hell after their death. they simply returned to the dust and ceased to exist. They were "conscious of nothing at all." |
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please read Luke 16:20-31.
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Since: Feb 09
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The Jerusalem Bible, in a footnote, acknowledges that this account is a "parable in story form without reference to any historical personage." If taken literally, it would mean that those enjoying divine favor could all fit at the bosom of one man, Abraham; that the water on one's fingertip would not be evaporated by the fire of Hades; that a mere drop of water would bring relief to the suffering there. does that sound reasonabale to you? If it were literal, it would conflict with other parts of the Bible. THE BIBLE DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITSELF. |
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I never said or would say the bible contradicts itself.I read and look up scrip.stating that the wicked will be tormented.Here are some of the scrip.Matt.8:12,25:41,Mark 9:43-48.So you say I shouldn't take these scrip. literally.I have been taught all my life that the bible is the way and the truth so why would I not take these scrip.literally.The bottom line is if your not for him your against him;then you will not go to heaven you go to hell that in its self is enough torment that I do not want to bare.God said that hell was not made for humans,but if people chooseto go there then they will have the same fate that the devil and his angels do Rev.20:11-15.God feed 5000 plus with a couple of fish and a few loafs of bread.He heal the blind ,the deaf heard,the lame walked and the mute spoke;now I ask you,should you take the bible more literal.
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Since: Feb 09
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Is "the eternal fire" Jesus warned of literal or symbolic? Note that "the eternal fire" mentioned by Jesus and recorded at Matthew 25:41 was prepared "for the devil and his angels." Do you think that literal fire can burn spirit creatures? Or was Jesus using the term "fire" symbolically? Certainly "the sheep" and "the goats" mentioned in the same discourse are not literal; they are word pictures that represent two types of people.(Matthew 25:32, 33) The eternal fire that Jesus spoke of completely burns up the wicked in a figurative sense. In what sense do the wicked "go off to eternal punishment"? Although most translations use the word "punishment" at Matthew 25:46, the basic meaning of the Greek word ko la·sin is "checking the growth of trees," or pruning, cutting off needless branches. So while the sheeplike ones receive everlasting life, the unrepentant goatlike ones suffer "eternal punishment," being forever cut off from life. What Do You Think? Jesus never taught that humans have an immortal soul. However, he often did teach about the resurrection of the dead.(Luke 14:13, 14; John 5:25-29; 11:25) Why would Jesus say that the dead would be resurrected if he believed that their souls had not died? Jesus did not teach that God would maliciously torture the wicked forever. Rather, Jesus said: "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life." (John 3:16) Why would Jesus imply that those who did not believe in him would die? If he really meant that they would live forever, suffering misery in a fiery hell, would he not have said so? The doctrine that hell is a place of torment is not based on the Bible. Rather, it is a pagan belief masquerading as a Christian teaching. God does not torture people eternally in hell. |
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Since: Feb 09
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How should we understand Jesus’ words when he said that those who do not do the will of God will go into "the fire that cannot be put out," or into 'a fiery furnace where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth'?—Mark 9:43-48; Matthew 13:42. In discussing this place, Jesus did not use the word "Hades," the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word "Sheol." Rather, he used the word "Gehenna." This word referred to a refuse dump close to Jerusalem, called the Valley of Hinnom, where a fire was kept burning to destroy the garbage. It was a fitting term to make Jesus’ listeners think, not of eternal suffering, but of complete destruction, annihilation by fire. What would you think of parents who kept their children imprisoned day after day, or even tortured them? If you would be disgusted by such acts, should you not also be disgusted by a god who would cause his children to be tormented forever in fire? The fact that the true God is not like that is seen from the reproofs he addressed to the Israelites who had 'burned their sons and their daughters in the fire.' Jehovah insisted that this was 'a thing that he had not commanded and that had not come up into his heart.'(Jeremiah 7:31) Since God had never thought of such things, how could we imagine that he would create a hellfire for his creatures? Yes, if cruelty and torture disgust us, how much more must they disgust God, who is love?—1 John 4:8. The doctrine of hellfire also goes against justice. In his letter to the Romans, the apostle Paul explains: "The wages sin pays is death." (Romans 6:23) Moreover, he tells us: "He who has died has been acquitted from his sin." If death completely removes a person’s indebtedness, why should he then suffer eternally for only a lifetime of sin?—Romans 6:7. |
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may I ask you a question? what do you believe happens to people that have not been born again when they die.
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Since: Feb 09
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I find that what peole mean by "born again" is not always the same. Would you tell me what it means to you? |
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To be born again in the spirit.Repent of your sins. To be a new creature in Christ.
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